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lawless is relative, compare to Congo, it's not that bad, but compared to China and Japan, it may as well be lawless.

Philippines was a colony of the US.

Philippines is what it is, trying to paint it as something else is just as biased. I mean since Philippine isn't an anarchy obviously it has laws, but so does Mexico. You know how many body guards Pacman has? You know why he needs them? You know how many Yao has? Or any other Chinese athletes? None.

It really is not that as bad as what you paint it is.

I was there back in '13 , was there for a month when i visited Cebu Province. I was there for studies and a bit of fun on the side, where I coordinated with some businesses in Mandaue City of Cebu, its home to San Miguel Beer Corporation, where I did a summer internship to see how they conducted human resource processes, namely their assessment systems for employee appraisal.

During my stay in Cebu, i made friends in the local population and went with some to the neighboring island of Bohol. Its rather peaceful there, i mean in comparison to Cebu, Bohol isn't as urbanized and rather agrarian based. I was in the provincial capital of Tagbilaran for 3 days to tour around, and felt awfully safe there. There's actually a lot of Chinese and Korean tourists there and from the amount of foreigners , i would say there is confidence in the safety and security measures conducted by the Philippines' police and military.

They are a rather accommodating bunch of peoples. The Filipinos. I've never met such genuinely kind bunch of people.

They may have some problems in terms of corruption, but at least Aquino is trying his best to take care of graft in that country. They have improved these past 5 years. And as they continue transparency measures , this will only serve in their best interest to boost investor confidence. I know that in Cebu, alone, there are substantial Japanese businesses there, especially embedded in their IT sector and shipping corridor.

Lol. This is why it's so hard to take some SE Asians seriously. No sense of self-respect, no concept of sovereignty, and a delusional faith in the white man to "make things better". While you are so enamored with the democracy that the US imposed on Afghanistan and Iraq, take a look at how wonderfully those countries have panned out with the aid of their perfect political system :).

Why are you imparting such negativity? Please don't generalize.

You know how many body guards Pacman has? You know why he needs them? You know how many Yao has? Or any other Chinese athletes? None.

In the Philippines, or any any country in South East Asia, there is commonality in hiring body guards. Also, Pacquiao is not just a boxer, he also is a Congressman and represents a restive region in Mindanao. So of course it would be common sense to have prophylactic measures.
 
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It really is not that as bad as what you paint it is.

I was there back in '13 , was there for a month when i visited Cebu Province. I was there for studies and a bit of fun on the side, where I coordinated with some businesses in Mandaue City of Cebu, its home to San Miguel Beer Corporation, where I did a summer internship to see how they conducted human resource processes, namely their assessment systems for employee appraisal.

During my stay in Cebu, i made friends in the local population and went with some to the neighboring island of Bohol. Its rather peaceful there, i mean in comparison to Cebu, Bohol isn't as urbanized and rather agrarian based. I was in the provincial capital of Tagbilaran for 3 days to tour around, and felt awfully safe there. There's actually a lot of Chinese and Korean tourists there and from the amount of foreigners , i would say there is confidence in the safety and security measures conducted by the Philippines' police and military.

They are a rather accommodating bunch of peoples. The Filipinos. I've never met such genuinely kind bunch of people.

They may have some problems in terms of corruption, but at least Aquino is trying his best to take care of graft in that country. They have improved these past 5 years. And as they continue transparency measures , this will only serve in their best interest to boost investor confidence. I know that in Cebu, alone, there are substantial Japanese businesses there, especially embedded in their IT sector and shipping corridor.



Why are you imparting such negativity? Please don't generalize.



In the Philippines, or any any country in South East Asia, there is commonality in hiring body guards. Also, Pacquiao is not just a boxer, he also is a Congressman and represents a restive region in Mindanao. So of course it would be common sense to have prophylactic measures.

I'm a huge boxing fan, even Pacman admited why he has all those guns and body guards, if he didn't he be taken hostage in two seconds.

This isn't a reflection on Filipinos, it's a reflection on poverty and unlike China's heavy government involvement, free reign means I can't let my children starve, and guess who has to suffer.

Filipinos are just people, they should be nice, but the system around them is not a good one, I'm not saying Filipinos are anything bad, but the system makes them so. Who would rob, if not down to the last option.


Also as I said, it's not Congo, it's just not China and Japan.
 
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I'm a huge boxing fan, even Pacman admited why he has all those guns and body guards, if he didn't he be taken hostage in two seconds.

This isn't a reflection on Filipinos, it's a reflection on poverty and unlike China's heavy government involvement, free reign means I can't let my children starve, and guess who has to suffer.

Filipinos are just people, they should be nice, but the system around them is not a good one, I'm not saying Filipinos are anything bad, but the system makes them so. Who would rob, if not down to the last option.


Also as I said, it's not Congo, it's just not China and Japan.


Given, yes, there is a difference between the culture of say Japan , South Korea, China to say the Philippines. For the former, these are mostly Confucian societies with very profound confucian culture. The latter, the Philippines is unique because they are not just predominantly Christian (Roman Catholic), but they have a very Latin culture, as they were a Royal Colony of Spain for almost half a millennia.

This is what i had experienced when I first visited the Philippines. Its best for the foreigner who is visiting a different country to remember that the country he or she is visiting will not necessarily be like the home country. It makes one appreciate the difference in cultures. And, even, find some commonality.

Also, @Genesis , it may behoove you to know that there is actually a very large Chinese population in the Philippines. In Cebu, there is even a Chinese taoist temple in the main district. I was even awed to know that the Vice President of Human Resource at San Miguel Beer Corporation -- where i did my summer internship -- was actually Chinese, ethnically. The surname he had was Spanish sounding, but after getting to know the man, he told me that his ancestors had adopted Spanish surname to blend in with the local culture.

You're an international man. I would even recommend that , if you ever decide to visit the Philippines, do visit Cebu. In my opinion cebu > manila. There are even direct flights from Hong Kong to Cebu, or Cebu to Shanghai. For me, i'm happy there are direct flights from Nagoya to Cebu, or Tokyo to Cebu (and vice versa). :lol::lol:


OT: They have really wonderful pork dish there called Cebu Lechon. :smitten::smitten:
 
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First of all, a lot of their system as based on the Spanish gobernadorcillo system. For almost half a millenia, the Philippines was a Spanish provincia. Second, they are not a colony of the United States. Lastly, the country is not lawless. I have been tot he Philippines many times and am even considering buying property in Cebu, where I have some friends (Japanese) who have property there as well.

Try not to troll post and negate , without researching. You most probably have never been to the Philippines, so what you know about them is through media reports. First hand account is always different, my man.

Yes, Pionys are Spanish system, most of them believe Catholic, but they are indeed US colony from 1898 to 1946. Read this:
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I have never been to their country, so does other people, many of them never been to China. People judge a country or a race by impression, very few people have time to sit down and research that country.
 
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Local media is not reliable here.

And oh, even if Aquino is out of the picture, corruption is will still be here and the economy will still be in shambles because of the local oligarchy that controls most local industries, media and even national government which are Filipino-Chinese of Fujian-descent, hell our president is of Chinese-descent. If the potential president has policies that goes against what the Fil-Chinese oligarchs lobbies, that said person will be lambasted and blackmailed to an extent that the people in Fox News could only dream of.


And as for the summary history of the Philippines

Prehistory to 14th century - Indian-influenced (most likely because of Srivijaya and/or Majapahit empires) animist kingdoms and fiefdoms
14th century to 1570s - Mostly under Islamic influence due to Arab traders or Malay traders that embraced Islam
1570s to 1898 - Spanish rule under the "Spanish East Indies" (it lasted 333 years)
1898 to 1941/1946 - American colony and Commonwealth (including the PH-American war which started from 1899 to 1902 though the Moro people fought until 1913)
1941 to 1945 - Japanese occupation
1946 to present - Independence (No direct foreign authorities)
 
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I just researched this guy, apparently he has a history of corruption. He is a relative of Ferdinand Marcos.

This guy needs to be sacked.

The Philippines and the Filipino people deserve so much better than this kind of trash.



Same in the case of Bo Xilai and other corrupt Chinese Officials.

What about Japan?

We all know Japanese politics have been extremely corrupt,especially in the 1980s and 90s。

Has the situation got any better nowadays?

The same can be said about South Korean and Taiwan。
 
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What about Japan?

We all know Japanese politics have been extremely corrupt,especially in the 1980s and 90s。

Has the situation got any better nowadays?

The same can be said about South Korean and Taiwan。

A lot of corrupt officials in Japan have resigned , especially after Abe's last tenure.

I personally hate these scum that are two faced and would take advantage of the people.

They all should commit seppuku and do all of us a favor.

@cirr ,

Did you see the viral video of one of our politicians who was crying after it was revealed he was misusing government funds?

He should cut his own belly open , and save us all from further disgrace. :hitwall:
 
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Politicians here have no sense of shame; even if they go to prison, they still think that they will have a chance of being re-elected.
 
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Politicians here have no sense of shame; even if they go to prison, they still think that they will have a chance of being re-elected.

Huahahahahhahah goddamn....

Same as here... Even they go to jail, they still can get out anytime they want ... As long as they got money to pay the officer... Go to Bali for vocation, or shopping at the mall..,
They can even have their own room in the jail... Decorate the room with AC and have internet service to..

I heard from my Filipino friends, your government is as same as corrupt like us...
 
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Huahahahahhahah goddamn....

Same as here... Even they go to jail, they still can get out anytime they want ... As long as they got money to pay the officer... Go to Bali for vocation, or shopping at the mall..,
They can even have their own room in the jail... Decorate the room with AC and have internet service to..

I heard from my Filipino friends, your government is as same as corrupt like us...

Very corrupt but the worst is that many people are apathetic to the issue with the supporters of the said regime will go as far as protect the government's questionable actions and decisions. Add to that is the "selective justice" wherein if official A is aligned with the current administration in power, they will be likely excluded from being tried while official B, who is on the opposition side will be tried as soon as possible.
 
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HK$27 billion is quite a lot of money.

So the president(executive) took that money away from the congress(legislative) and the court(judicial) order it back?

So basically the three branch of the government is fighting over this money?

Article say Aquino popularity is going to plunge?

Look like the same old drama is repeating again. And again......

Would the Philippine ever break that cycle like the South Korean(seem like S.Korean had)?
 
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wow a post started by chinko imperials who just trying to use our political problems go figure because they have illogical claims and thinking
 
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HK$27 billion is quite a lot of money.

So the president(executive) took that money away from the congress(legislative) and the court(judicial) order it back?

So basically the three branch of the government is fighting over this money?

Article say Aquino popularity is going to plunge?

Look like the same old drama is repeating again. And again......

Would the Philippine ever break that cycle like the South Korean(seem like S.Korean had)?

Would have happen if the government is not manipulating the local survey system. In some perspective, well it is yes, they are fighting over money although our constitution stated that the usage of money is illegal and I doubt that the cycle will be broken as we had our chances back in 2010 but the majority chose Aquino and other mediocre candidates over the competent ones.
 
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Aquino vs Judiciary?
6:20 pm | Monday, July 14th, 2014

MANILA, Philippines –The Disbursement Acceleration Program (DAP) built 66,800 classrooms. DAP energized 6,163 sitios (sub-village). DAP improved irrigation systems. So President Benigno Aquino III is wondering why the Supreme Court declared DAP as unconstitutional.

Facing the public for the first time since the DAP debacle, Aquino, in a televised speech Monday, told the high court justices: “Your decision is difficult to understand.”

In his speech, Aquino ferociously defended the now defunct DAP and vowed to appeal the Supreme Court 13-0 decision declaring parts of it unconstitutional.

Executive vs Judiciary

His tone turned combative when he warned the judiciary of a possible clash with the executive branch over its decision to strike down DAP.

Although saying he did not want the two equal branches of government to clash, the President questioned the high court’s decision and its implications on public.

“My message to the Supreme Court: we don’t want to get to a point where two co-equal branches of government would clash and where a third branch would have to mediate,” Aquino said.

Then Aquino raised an intriguing matter: “There was something that you did in the past, which you tried to do again, and there are those who are saying that [the DAP decision] is worse.”

“They want savings declared only at the 31st of December of each year. If that were the case, when would the government be free to utilize these funds?” Aquino asked.

Pinning the blame on the Supreme Court, he said the decision would result in benefits being delayed.

“All in all, almost two years would have passed before the benefits of funds would redound to the people,” he said.

Aquino also criticized the part of the SC ruling questioning the Executive’s “good faith.”

Where is the principle of “innocent until proven guilty”? Aquino asked.

He claimed that the SC did not even consider the legal basis of DAP.

He reiterated that Section 39 of the 1987 Administration Code justified the DAP through the following provision: “Except as otherwise provided in the General Appropriations Act, any savings in the regular appropriations authorized in the General Appropriations Act for programs and projects of any department, office or agency, may, with the approval of the President, be used to cover a deficit in any other item of the regular appropriations….”

Encouraging the high court to take another look, Aquino said, “It is clear that the Supreme Court has much to consider that they may better clarify their decision regarding DAP.”

On July 1, the high court said the DAP, which allegedly aimed to pump prime the economy, violated the Philippine Constitution by withdrawing unobligated allotments from agencies and declaring the amount as saving, allowing cross-border transfers of savings from the Executive to other offices, funding of projects and programs not specified in the General Appropriations Act and the use of unprogrammed funds without certification from the National Treasurer.

Not PDAF

Before the SC ruling, the DAP has been linked to the pork barrel scam, with some accusing lawmakers and Janet Lim-Napoles of diverting and misusing the fund.

Presidential Spokesperson Edwin Lacierda said that while the Executive can account for 91 percent of the DAP funds allocated to its agencies, it will still have to look into the other nine percent endorsed by lawmakers.

Justice Secretary Leila de Lima already said that the National Bureau of Investigation was probing the alleged misuse of the DAP.

But the President insisted was different from the Priority Development Assistance Fund.

“There are also those who say that DAP and PDAF are the same thing. Excuse me. DAP is different from PDAF,” Aquino said.

“With PDAF, the corrupt funneled government funds into fake NGOs, money then allegedly divided among themselves. It’s clear that with DAP the people’s money was never stolen—the funds were used for the benefit of Filipinos,” he added.

Aquino said even the Supreme Court, the World Bank and critics of DAP admitted that the projects funded by the program helped improve the economy.

Use it or lose it

Throughout his speech, the President emphasized the DAP’s aim of hastening the implementation of projects.

“The Cabinet agreed, regarding their respective funds: Use it or lose it. If you cannot use the funds allotted for this year, clearly, those are savings,” Aquino said.

At one point, he blamed the previous administration for its turtle-paced implementation of projects.

“Without doubt, any good leader would want to implement projects that benefit the public at the soonest possible time. I do not see any reason to delay benefits for our countrymen, especially because we have the wherewithal to alleviate their plight. It is clear that if you delay the benefits due them, you prolong the suffering of the Filipino people,” Aquino said.


(for some reason I can't post a link at the moment, the link is from the Inquirer website)

Anyways...

I really doubt he would resign, would start the blame game and would even try to appeal on something that have been judged as illegal.
 
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