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Beijing’s allegiance to Pakistan key roadblock in India-China ties

The success of this summit lies in whether President Xi can exorcise the ghost of Pakistan from Chinese perception of its bilateral engagement with India.
INDIA Updated: Oct 06, 2019 07:58 IST

Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi

When then US secretary of state Hillary Clinton visited India in July 2011, she wanted to travel to Amritsar, but ended up in Chennai after she was told that the waters from the ancient port city of south India touched the western shores of the US, defining Indo-Pacific in a true sense.

The presence of the Arakkonam naval air base near Chennai also defined the QUAD security grouping, with the Boeing P-8I Neptune anti-submarine, ship interdictor and anti-surface warfare platform stationed at the base and in touch with US and Australia counterparts under COMCASA, or Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement.

While Chennai’s linkages with QUAD are still in a nascent stage, the Pallava capital of Kanchipuram was visited by Chinese traveller Huien Tsang or Xuanzang 2,000 years ago.

The heritage city of Mahabalipuram, now Mamallapuram, was also the showcase of the Pallavas and will see Prime Minister Narendra Modi host Chinese President Xi Jinping from October 11-13 at the second informal summit between the two leaders.

The success of this summit lies in whether President Xi can exorcise the ghost of Pakistan from Chinese perception of its bilateral engagement with India.

If Xi can get over the Pakistan hangover and focus directly on improving bilateral ties with India, the summit will take the relationship forward; or else this will be just another milestone.

Fact is that at the heart of India-China mistrust lies Beijing’s all-weather ally, Islamabad, with the middle kingdom backing Pakistan entirely on issues like cross-border terrorism, nuclear suppliers group, UN expansion, the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and Jammu and Kashmir.

The other source of mistrust is China’s unwillingness to give India space on the global high table and its efforts to confine New Delhi to a regional power locked in death combat with Pakistan.

Although India and China have had a border dispute for the past 50 years, the two sides have managed occasional flare-ups very astutely with not a single bullet being fired since the Nathu La skirmish in 1967.

The two sides have convergence on global issues like climate change and are focused on greening their countries.

At the informal summit, President Xi will have the option of either reading the laundry list of Pakistan’s concerns with India or explore new areas of cooperation with PM Modi.

After hosting Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan in Beijing on October 8-10 and hearing out his litany of complaints against India, President Xi will have to make a superhuman effort to not let Islamabad overshadow the summit.

Xi’s test on Pakistan will start from October 13-18, when FATF holds a plenary meeting under the presidentship of China in Paris to consider blacklisting Islamabad for its failure to comply with over 20 out of 27 key parameters laid down in an action plan to deal with money laundering and terrorist financing As the FATF acts on consensus, it is quite evident that Pakistan will remain on a grey list with China, Malaysia and Turkey responding to PM Imran Khan’s call for support.

While India has conveyed its stand on the revocation of Article 370, which did away with special status for Jammu and on Kashmir, directly to China at the foreign ministers’ level, President Xi may see the August 5 move as a precursor to a possible flare-up between India and Pakistan on the Line of Control (LoC), leading to instability in the region.

This is the line PM Khan has been promoting with the ubiquitous Pakistani threat of a nuclear war.

Rather than derailing the entire exercise over Pakistan, President Xi, already facing flak over Hong Kong protests, may like to take the informal summit towards a positive direction where both countries expand bilateral trade beyond $100 billion while balancing India’s bilateral deficit.

The other option for a successful summit is that both sides decide to resolve the boundary dispute on a sectoral basis and narrow their differences. The only beneficiary of a China at loggerheads with India is Pakistan.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-china-ties/story-e5gS04fWePqHKuVpHmQgyJ.html
 
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Beijing’s allegiance to Pakistan key roadblock in India-China ties
even if you abandon Pakistan to "improve" relationship with bharat, it will only be a temporary thing because it is the US Empire who is after you. and them injuns will obey any orders from the US (even if it is only to look as if they are on the team of the white-man)
 
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even if you abandon Pakistan to "improve" relationship with bharat, it will only be a temporary thing because it is the US Empire who is after you. and them injuns will obey any orders from the US (even if it is only to look as if they are on the team of the white-man)
It's an Indian report, Chinese foreign policy is very consistent, I doubt any changes can happen because of a couple of meetings. We have meetings with US everyday..
 
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I been hearing for at least a few years from "Indian experts" about Sino-Indian ties and China ditching Pakistan all hogwash but Pakistanis need to understand there is difference between alliances and being dependent on someone but Indians in their thick skull are in trance of being power in Asia and they are lynch pin for the west
 
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I been hearing for at least a few years from "Indian experts" about Sino-Indian ties and China ditching Pakistan all hogwash but Pakistanis need to understand there is difference between alliances and being dependent on someone but Indians in their thick skull are in trance of being power in Asia and they are lynch pin for the west
some Pakistani commentators, whether on internet or on TV Channels are retarded.

they say things like: if Chinese and Arabs are our friends, then why are they investing in bharat? because you invest where you get a return from (it is Pakistan that benefits if their investments give them profits, it's like the injuns are financing Pak-forces).

why don't they invest in Pakistan? because most Pakistanis do not like paperwork and some outright crooks vanish overnight with your investments.
 
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some Pakistani commentators, whether on internet or on TV Channels are retarded.

they say things like: if Chinese and Arabs are our friends, then why are they investing in bharat? because you invest where you get a return from (it is Pakistan that benefits if their investments give them profits, it's like the injuns are financing Pak-forces).

why don't they invest in Pakistan? because most Pakistanis do not like paperwork and some outright crooks vanish overnight with your investments.

Same goes with any ties with Iran we need cordialty not pleasing one side and being boxed in
 
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Same goes with any ties with Iran we need cordialty not pleasing one side and being boxed in
okay.

oh BTW an Iranian from UK is suing Pakistan for a share in the monies that NAB is confiscating in Pakistan. claiming that since his company discovered the overseas assets of Pakistani crooks, he deserves it (even though overseas governments are refusing to help in any recoveries)

deal was that he would get 25% of whatever he helps to repatriate (not what is found within Pakistan).
 
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Beijing’s allegiance to Pakistan key roadblock in India-China ties

The success of this summit lies in whether President Xi can exorcise the ghost of Pakistan from Chinese perception of its bilateral engagement with India.
INDIA Updated: Oct 06, 2019 07:58 IST

Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi

When then US secretary of state Hillary Clinton visited India in July 2011, she wanted to travel to Amritsar, but ended up in Chennai after she was told that the waters from the ancient port city of south India touched the western shores of the US, defining Indo-Pacific in a true sense.

The presence of the Arakkonam naval air base near Chennai also defined the QUAD security grouping, with the Boeing P-8I Neptune anti-submarine, ship interdictor and anti-surface warfare platform stationed at the base and in touch with US and Australia counterparts under COMCASA, or Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement.

While Chennai’s linkages with QUAD are still in a nascent stage, the Pallava capital of Kanchipuram was visited by Chinese traveller Huien Tsang or Xuanzang 2,000 years ago.

The heritage city of Mahabalipuram, now Mamallapuram, was also the showcase of the Pallavas and will see Prime Minister Narendra Modi host Chinese President Xi Jinping from October 11-13 at the second informal summit between the two leaders.

The success of this summit lies in whether President Xi can exorcise the ghost of Pakistan from Chinese perception of its bilateral engagement with India.

If Xi can get over the Pakistan hangover and focus directly on improving bilateral ties with India, the summit will take the relationship forward; or else this will be just another milestone.

Fact is that at the heart of India-China mistrust lies Beijing’s all-weather ally, Islamabad, with the middle kingdom backing Pakistan entirely on issues like cross-border terrorism, nuclear suppliers group, UN expansion, the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and Jammu and Kashmir.

The other source of mistrust is China’s unwillingness to give India space on the global high table and its efforts to confine New Delhi to a regional power locked in death combat with Pakistan.

Although India and China have had a border dispute for the past 50 years, the two sides have managed occasional flare-ups very astutely with not a single bullet being fired since the Nathu La skirmish in 1967.

The two sides have convergence on global issues like climate change and are focused on greening their countries.

At the informal summit, President Xi will have the option of either reading the laundry list of Pakistan’s concerns with India or explore new areas of cooperation with PM Modi.

After hosting Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan in Beijing on October 8-10 and hearing out his litany of complaints against India, President Xi will have to make a superhuman effort to not let Islamabad overshadow the summit.

Xi’s test on Pakistan will start from October 13-18, when FATF holds a plenary meeting under the presidentship of China in Paris to consider blacklisting Islamabad for its failure to comply with over 20 out of 27 key parameters laid down in an action plan to deal with money laundering and terrorist financing As the FATF acts on consensus, it is quite evident that Pakistan will remain on a grey list with China, Malaysia and Turkey responding to PM Imran Khan’s call for support.

While India has conveyed its stand on the revocation of Article 370, which did away with special status for Jammu and on Kashmir, directly to China at the foreign ministers’ level, President Xi may see the August 5 move as a precursor to a possible flare-up between India and Pakistan on the Line of Control (LoC), leading to instability in the region.

This is the line PM Khan has been promoting with the ubiquitous Pakistani threat of a nuclear war.

Rather than derailing the entire exercise over Pakistan, President Xi, already facing flak over Hong Kong protests, may like to take the informal summit towards a positive direction where both countries expand bilateral trade beyond $100 billion while balancing India’s bilateral deficit.

The other option for a successful summit is that both sides decide to resolve the boundary dispute on a sectoral basis and narrow their differences. The only beneficiary of a China at loggerheads with India is Pakistan.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-china-ties/story-e5gS04fWePqHKuVpHmQgyJ.html

China and India are at different ends of the pole, China fought the Nazis and India has become a Nazi state. So highly unlikely the two will have a common factor and will see the issues with the same lens.
 
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I don’t understand ... obviously you are an Indian posting all this Pro Indian crap so why not change your name and show who you are.... you are cluttering this forum with your stupid posts.
 
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India is on American side to contain China ( Indo Pacific strategy ) even a child knows that . US is using India against China . India is holding military exercises in S China sea . China has border dispute with India also India is opposed to CPEC ( meaning BRI or OBOR) n many many more . Pakistan is strategic partner of China . Ofcourse Pakistan need china more but Pakistan is also valuable for china in many ways . Long Live Pakistan China Friendship .
 
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Tje writer is a typical stupid indian and fails to realose thats its india who is obsessed with Pakistan. Seems as if every business deal, every partnership with any country have to be with consideration to Pakistan. This is very kiddish approach and will only make india look immature and stupid. The whole world can now see indian obsession with Pakistan. This will only take down india.
 
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India is in no position to talk about Pak-China strategic relationship when India is sitting in the lap of Uncle Sam, and has been consistent in marketing itself to western world as a bulwark against China.
 
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China is great and time tested ally. Sometimes I fear that due to stupidity of some Pakistanis... (who constantly bash China after getting manipulated by Western/India joint propaganda on Xinjiang) ...we might lose China as our ally.
 
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China is great and time tested ally. Sometimes I fear that due to stupidity of some Pakistanis... (who constantly bash China after getting manipulated by Western/India joint propaganda on Xinjiang) ...we might lose China as our ally.

State relationships are built on National Interests not people interests. There are alot of inter-marriages going on between Pakistanis and indians now if start thinking that way then two nation theory will fail.
 
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China is great and time tested ally. Sometimes I fear that due to stupidity of some Pakistanis... (who constantly bash China after getting manipulated by Western/India joint propaganda on Xinjiang) ...we might lose China as our ally.
Chinese/Pakistani ties aren't that flimsy and the Chinese leadership isn't that stupid.
Anyone with half a brain cell can see how it would pan out for China of it abandoned Pakistan. It would close a vital gateway and lifeline for China and would be akin to China chopping off one of it's own legs.
It's laughable that that the Indians think they can persuade the Chinese to put the noose round their own neck with the lure of a few billion dollars in trade.
Strategically, Pakistan is priceless to China as compared to any trade the Indians, or anyone else could offer it.
I know we are quite dependent on China at this time but I don't think that it would be an exaggeration to say that at this time, Pakistan is China's jugular vein and India is trying to sever it. It's also the reason IMO that China would never allow India to capture AJK and GB.
The future and security of both countries is existentially interlinked and it is the same enemies that are trying to damage both.

This is just Indian wishful thinking and it just isn't going to happen.
 
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