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Guys let me be the devil's advocate - what are we gaining here discussing this except rampant speculation? I think we've flogged the horse to death here.

I liked some of your comments and thanked them - but nothing useful can be gained from this discussion unfortunately. Those who fought the war are almost all six feet under, or soon to be. All sides have buried their dead and moved on.

The only thing we can learn from this 1971 thing is like our 'Friend of Bangladesh' :-) Hasan Nissar says, "Yahya ka badkaari aur banya ki saazish". I would say 'Yahya ka folly' because he was a day late and a dollar short because Ayub Khan had already prepared fertile ground for this calamity.

Rest is history. Let's move on.:coffee:
 
Haha, that report puts the figure even more less at 30,000 dead and 3000 raped.


THAT is what I am saying !!!

Even if this Pakistani ESTABLISHED Commission is to be taken as a Gospel Truth (which it is not exactly)... Let us think that ! okay sire ! agreed !
but then comes the biggest question ! Why did GHQ and Civilian govts suppress the report ?? WHY ?

which means even if figures are disputed.. the moral onus is on the West Pak estb. That is why i am Crying ( yes literally crying ) for public release of FULL unaltered Hamudoor Rehman Commission Reports ! not leaked titbits of it :)
 
we need to show provide prove
3 millions is not small number
and plus Pakistan and BD and India we did bad things no side is an angel here :)
but we always blame and use escape goat Pakistan :)
its time to move forward and make peace and understand and use diplomatic solution

i am not pro Pakistan India BAL BNP or Jammat
 
No discussion of the events of 1971 can be complete without the book Massacre by Robert Payne. You can read it on-line here.
 
She hasn't been very successful though so she is now resorting to kidnapping and extra judicial killings instead ...
At least, we should praise Hasina for not throwing grenades at the opposition leader Khaleda Zia, as was done by the latter in her time as the PM.
 
At least, we should praise Hasina for not throwing grenades at the opposition leader Khaleda Zia, as was done by the latter in her time as the PM.

You are right I remember seeing clips of Khaleda Zia standing on roof top throwing grenades at the Awami League rally ....
 
No discussion of the events of 1971 can be complete without the book Massacre by Robert Payne. You can read it on-line here.
Yes, people everywhere should know the truth about 1971 killing. They must differentiate between facts and fiction.
 
Hey heres an idea, if it was a translation error or whatever from 300,000 rather than 3 million.....um why not change the claimed number after all this time to 300,000?

Your argument is BS from the outset.....rona drona losers.

Then you have a physical law out there in BD that you cannot challenge the 3 million claim (and all other aspects of 1971 official stance of BAL/BD), adding insult to injury for your stupid 300,000 mistranslation argument.

Your stupid ego (as hollow as it is once you poke it) is on full display for all to see and laugh at.
 
Behind the Myth of 3 million :
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Written by Dr. M. Abdul Mu’min Chowdhury
Behind the Myth of 3 million - Chapter- I: The Making of The Myth
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1.1. A Belated Bust-up:
In May 1973, Abdul Gaffar Choudhury, a well known newspaper columnist and close associate of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, said: ‘We are now saying three million Bengali’s have been martyred. Without any survey we are telling three million Bengali’s have died.’ [1] After openly raising doubts about the alleged figure, Choudhury left Bangladesh for good for Britain.

It took another twenty years for the question to be raised again. Participating in a debate in the National Assembly of Bangladesh on 15 June 1993, Col. Akbar Hussain, a decorated ‘Mukti Juddha’ and a Cabinet Minister under both General Ziaur Rahman and Mrs Khaleda Zia, returned to the question. Making a pointed attack on the Awami League for its 'propensity to falsify history', he said that the Awami League had created the myth of 'three million killed', whereas in reality it was closer to a tenth of that figure. On the following day Shudhangshu Shekar Haldar, a Hindu member of Awami League, challenged Col. Hussain to substantiate his assertion with ‘recorded proof’. Responding to the challenge, the Minister told the National Assembly that after the creation of Bangladesh an announcement was made to pay Tk. 2,000 to every family that suffered loss of life where upon only three hundred thousand families had claimed such compensation. Had there been three million individuals dead, their families would have claimed for compensation. Poignantly, Haldar could not, and did not, challenge the figure of those actually claimed compensation. Nor could he give any satisfactory explanation for the missing two million seven hundred thousand. Instead, he began inquiring as to what could have prompted the Minister to question' a well-known fact'.

The tactic was "a clear one: if you cannot 'kill' the message, 'kill' the messenger. Having done that however, he requested the presiding Deputy Speaker to expunge Col. Hussain's remarks from the proceedings of the Assembly. At this point Abdus Samad Azad, standing in for the Awami League leader, stood up and spoke in support of his party colleague's demand for the effacement of the remarks. His argument was: 'So far no one, including General Ziaur Rahman, has challenged the figure of three million. We had it from our leader Sheikh Mujib and it must stand as correct'. [2]

1.2. Mujib’s Part in the Myth Making:
Indeed, it was Mujib's stamp of approval which gave the oft quoted number both its life and respectability. On 10 January 1972, the very day of his return to Bangladesh from prison in West Pakistan, he publicly announced:

..... "Three million people have been killed. I believe that there is no parallel in the history of the world of such a colossal loss of lives for the struggle for freedom." [3]

He repeated the same charge before the world in a television interview given to the British broadcaster David Frost. In the same interview, which was recorded at his private residence in Dhaka and was broadcasted from New York on 18 January 1972, he also made the astounding claim that the very house in which the interview was taking place had been destroyed by the Pakistani Army! [4] A day earlier the Time Magazine quoted Mujib saying,

‘if Hitler could have been alive today he would be ashamed’ [5]

During the following weeks and months, his insistence on the three million figure grew and it became his all-purpose 'opening song'. Let me give an example.

"The vice-secretary asked me to sit in the corridor crowded with at least 50 persons. He then walked into the office and informed Mujib of my presence. I heard a terrible growl and the poor man reappeared shaken, asking me to wait. I waited. One hour, two hours, three hours, four hours, then at eight o'clock I was still there in that damned corridor. At 8-30 a miracle occurred: Mujib was ready to receive me. I was asked to enter. I entered into a large room with a sofa and two armchairs. Mujib was sprawled all over the sofa and two fat ministers were seated in the armchairs with their bellies in the air. No one rose. No one made a greeting and no one responded to mine. There was a very long silence until Mujib gestured to me to sit down. I sat on a small corner of the sofa and opened up the tape recorder preparing the first question. But, I didn't have time for that. Mujib started to shout: 'Hurry up, quick, understand?' 'I have no time to waste, is that clear?' 'The Pakistanis have killed three million people, is that clear? Yes, three, three, three.' (How he arrived at that figure, I'll never understand. The Indians speaking of the victims have never gone over the one million figure). I said: 'Mr Prime Minister...' Mujib started to shout again: ‘They killed my women in front of their husbands and children, the husbands in front of their sons and wives, the sons in front of their fathers and mothers, the nephews before their grandfathers and grandmothers, the grandfathers and grandmothers in front of their nephews, cousins in front of cousins, aunts in front of uncles, brother-in-law in front of sister-in-law .. . ‘Mr Prime Minister, I would like .. .’ ‘Listen to her, she would like! She would like. You have no right to want anything, understand? Is that clear?"

This is the account of the well-known Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci's interview with Mujib. [6]

Yet, only on 8 January 1972 in London, on his way back to Bangladesh, the same Mujib had claimed that 'one million people had been killed in Bangladesh.' [7] One might wonder who updated the figure for Mujib? Was it done between his journey from London to Dhaka, via New Delhi or immediately after his arrival in Dhaka? It has been claimed by one of the 'involved' Indian organisers of the 'Freedom Movement' that 'By and by he [Mujib] came to know more details and later in Dacca he put the figure at 3.5 million' .[8] Since Mujib focussed on three million, rather than on his long time benefactor's averred three and a half million, one might think he was still hesitant to paddle out everything his 'involved' benefactors were handing him out. But, where did he get this figure form?

1.3. The Myth Makers at Work:
However inventive Mujib was with facts and however insistent he became with the fiction of 'three million killed' and 'three hundred thousand raped', as we shall see he himself did not fabricate it. He simply parroted in public, what was given to him in private. In fact, the figure which he was eventually handed out, went through several updates at the hands of a number of involved quarters.

1.4. The Swadhin Bangla Betar:
Up to 10 December 1971, Mujib’s own Awami League colleagues, few of whom ever ventured out to face the Pakistan Army and most of whom had reportedly spent their Indian sojourn in enjoyment with their friends and families [9] had been circulating an estimated casualty figure of three hundred thousand, through the 'Swadhin Bangla Betar'. [10] Even years later his party Vice President, Zahirul Qayyum, would implicitly contest the myth of three million by pointing to this estimate broadcasted by the official organ of the Bangladesh Government in exile.[II]

1.5. Indian Authorities:
Yet, on 7 January 1972 the Press Trust of India, quoting Sheikh Abdul Aziz, the newly appointed Communication Minister of Bangladesh [12], reported from Calcutta a casualty figure of over one million. However, the news communicated by the Indian national news agency stressed that the casualty toll was a provisional one and disclosed that the Government of Bangladesh was going to collect statistics in order to obtain the actual figure. Apparently, to give some credibility to the Minister's newly updated estimate, he was quoted as saying that in his own village the Pakistan Army had killed 107 persons. [13] There was no explanation as to how the estimated death toll rose by three-fold in a matter of three weeks, during most of which the ‘culprit’ Pakistan Army had been under Indian custody.

To be fair to the Minister, this figure of one million killed was floating around from the beginning of the insurgency. One Asad Choudhury wrote a poem, called 'Report 1971' at the start of the insurgency. In it he told his readers that the Pakistani Army had, by then, massacred one million Bengalis and have raped forty thousand women. [14] Likewise, on 24 June 1972 the ‘Swadhin Bangla Betar’ broadcasted a speech, supposedly written by Maulana Bhashani, which, inter alia, claimed that 'after sacrificing one million invaluable lives, the struggling masses of independent Bengal would not accept any thing else. Their only road is either full independence or death.' [15] But, one might still want to know, why the Minister suddenly found this preferable over the 'Swadhin Bangla Betar's' hitherto ‘official’ figure of three hundred thousand?

In this connection, it is to be noted that the Indian authorities, including India's military establishment, have consistently maintained that so far as they were concerned the casualty figure stood at one million. What is more interesting, M.R.Akhtar Mukul, who as the head of the' Swadhin Bangla Betar' and the presenter of its best known programme 'Charampatra' (Dire Letter) had been regularly disseminating out the three hundred thousand figure up to 10 December 1971, in his book of recollection ‘Ami Bijoy Dekhechi’ (I Have Seen Victory) he piously authenticated the one million casualty toll without ever mentioning his old vaunted death toll. [16] Those who are familiar with Mukul' s professed willingness to lie for facilitating Indian cover-ups [17] would not be surprised at his volte face. Nor would they doubt that like Mukul, Sheikh Abdul Aziz was also made to endorse the figure deemed appropriate for the occasion by the Indian authorities.

In his reminiscence Field Marshall Sam Manekshaw simply presented the figure as a ‘well-known fact’ and expressed utter incredulity at the figure of three million with which Mujib's name became inextricably linked. [18] Likewise, in a mass produced video interview Lt Gen. Jagjit Singh Aurora said that 'all of us knew' that the Pakistan Army had brutally killed 'about a million people'; yet Sheikh Mujib who 'was more an agitator and less an administrator' decided to 'make it more brutish' by saying that the Pakistan Army had killed three million Bengalis. He pointed out that Mujib's figure was 'absolutely impossible', because the Pakistan Army had 'simultaneously fought within the country and at the borders'. [19] Earlier, Maj.Gen.D.K.Palit, who also had a hand in 'the birth of Bangladesh engineered by the Indian Army', gave the same one million figure as if it was an indubitable fact which required no supporting proof. [20] Despite Palit's stance, one should heed the significance of the fact that neither Manekshaw nor Aurora have vouched for the authenticity of the Indian figure beyond that it was a 'well-known fact' or some how 'known to us'.

The 'absolutely impossible' figure of three million to which Mujib publicly tied up his own name was not absolutely his own invention. The 'credit' for its fabrication was due to one Ehtesham Haider Choudhury, editor of the Dhaka daily Purbadesh and his Russian friend, the Pravda representative in Dhaka.

1.6. The Purbadesh/Pravda/ENA:
In a signed editorial under the heading of 'Hang the Yahya Junta' on the 22 December 1971 issue of the Purbadesh, Choudhury claimed that the 'enemy occupation forces have savagely killed about three million innocent people and more than two hundred intellectuals'. [21] Curiously enough, only on the previous day the same daily printed an eight column red coloured banner heading, asking: 'How many people of Bengal have been killed?' In it Ershad Majumdar, the paper's senior reporter, categorically said that 'every where people are asking: How many people of Bangladesh have been killed? How many 'lakhs' (unit of hundred thousand)? 10,20,30,40 or 50 lakhs? No one seems to have the answer. But the people are not likely to leave the question unanswered. Answer we must have.' [22]

Within days the Pravda printed a news claiming that over three million people have been killed by the Pakistan Army. The Soviet daily carried the news without mentioning the Purbadesh editorial. The report was credited to its Special Correspondent. ENA, the Bangladesh news agency, lifted the Pravda news and reproduced it in all major Dhaka dailies under the beading: 'Pak Army Killed Over 30 Lakh People'. Now it read

"The Communist Party Newspaper Pravda has reported that over 30 lakh persons were killed throughout Bangladesh by the Pakistani occupation forces during the last nine months, reports ENA.

Quoting its Special Correspondent stationed in Dacca, the paper said that the Pakistani military forces immediately before their surrender to Mukti Bahinis and the Allied Forces had killed about 800 intellectuals in the capital city of Bangladesh alone.[23]

The change from 'less than three million' of the Purbadesh editor into 'over three million' is to be marked. The effortless four-fold increase in the number of intellectuals allegedly killed is also to be noticed. We may also keep in mind Jyoti Sen Gupta's false claim regarding Mujib's announcement that 3.5 million people have been killed.

1.7. How Mujib Took to Parroting the Last Figure:
It was reported that on his arrival in Dhaka on 10 January 1972 the lobby behind the fabrication of the ‘absolutely impossible’ figure promptly briefed the returning Bangladesh leader with the added 'fact' of three hundred thousand women raped, who in turn immediately went on parroting it. [24] Thus, the self-serving fiction of ‘three million killed’ and ‘three hundred thousand women raped’ was created.





1971 war bangladeshi casualty figures are the biggest joke on the planet. No wonder the bangladeshi government needs a law to stop anyone from questioning it.

2 Million Nazis supported by 1 million collaborators across conquered Europe needed 7 years to kill 6 million Jews using industrial methods. Are we suppose to believe that 26 years later, 50,000 Pakistani troops with rudimentary military equipment could eliminate 3 million bengalis in a few weeks......wtf???????.........:disagree:

Also, over 1 million bengali women were allegedly raped by 50,000 Pakistani soldiers in the same period. So each Pakistani soldier was suposed to rape a minium of 20 bengali women and at the same time do what millions of Nazis could not do in 4 years using the most scientifically and industialized advanced methods available. So by that logic each Pakistani soldier in 1971 must have been a Hercules Superman with advanced alien weaponary, with a 10 inch cock and have the sex drive of a buffalo on steroids :disagree:
 
1971 war bangladeshi casualty figures are the biggest joke on the planet. No wonder the bangladeshi government needs a law to stop anyone from questioning it.

2 Million Nazis supported by 1 million collaborators across conquered Europe needed 7 years to kill 6 million Jews using industrial methods. Are we suppose to believe that 26 years later, 50,000 Pakistani troops with rudimentary military equipment could eliminate 3 million bengalis in a few weeks......wtf???????.........:disagree:

Also, over 1 million bengali women were allegedly raped by 50,000 Pakistani soldiers in the same period. So each Pakistani soldier was suposed to rape a minium of 20 bengali women and at the same time do what millions of Nazis could not do in 4 years using the most scientifically and industialized advanced methods available. So by that logic each Pakistani soldier in 1971 must have been a Hercules Superman with advanced alien weaponary, with a 10 inch cock and have the sex drive of a buffalo on steroids :disagree:

They pick numbers out of the hat for feel good, just like they do so in their development claims (I think you have visited the BBS thread by now rite?) now.

Its nothing new. BD is a wretched sham/scam and its elite want to keep it that way (why mess with what works for society and your own livelihood right?)...but the good news (for all of us) is as long as they supply the underwear and be ok with no one going there to actually visit/interact/experience in any decent number.....no one CARES! :)
 
And I have seen Yahya Khan killing people in 1971 by firing bullets from the roof top. Are you still going to kindergarten.............?

Really. I have never heard of Yahya Khan personally involved in the action. Interesting what you learn.
 
...2 Million Nazis supported by 1 million collaborators across conquered Europe needed 7 years to kill 6 million Jews using industrial methods. Are we suppose to believe that 26 years later, 50,000 Pakistani troops with rudimentary military equipment could eliminate 3 million bengalis in a few weeks...
The Nazis had to separate Jews from the rest of the populace of an entire continent (which they had to conquer first) and the Nazis were concerned about antiseptic disposal of dead bodies. These were time-consuming tasks, especially since Nazi armies and industries also had to be devoted to fighting the Allies and the Russians.

In 1971 the P.A. did not have such concerns: "Kill three million of them and the rest will eat out of our hands" as Yahya had put it in February 1971. General Rao Farman Ali's plan was to slay the maximum amount of people in a very short time, making sure that East Pakistan's intellectual elite would be included in the slaughter; other than that it didn't matter which three million would be killed; the dead could remain on the street as a lesson, or washed into rivers, or buried in mass graves. (Ref: Payne, Massacre, Chapter 4, "The Year of the Vulture")
 
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The Nazis had to separate Jews from the rest of the populace of an entire continent (which they had to conquer first) and the Nazis were concerned about antiseptic disposal of dead bodies. These were time-consuming tasks, especially since Nazi armies and industries also had to be devoted to fighting the Allies and the Russians.

In 1971 the P.A. did not have such concerns: "Kill three million of them and the rest will eat out of our hands" as Yahya had put it in February 1971. General Rao Farman Ali's plan was to slay the maximum amount of people in a very short time, making sure that East Pakistan's intellectual elite would be included in the slaughter; other than that it didn't matter which three million would be killed; the dead could remain on the street as a lesson, or washed into rivers, or buried in mass graves. (Ref: Payne, Massacre, Chapter 4, "The Year of the Vulture")



And the PA was meant to achieve all of that in less than a month with rudimentary military equipment with only 50,000 men? It took 2 MILLION Nazis 4 years to do the same which is 48× longer than it took the PA with 40× greater number of men. That does not seem even possible. If it were true then EVERY SINGLE bangladeshi in bangladesh would need to give 0 resistance to the PA and all line up in an orderly fashion, with 3 million of them voluntarily offering to be executed with the assistance of the majority of the bangladeshi population.
 
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