Beef banned in Maharashtra, 5 yrs jail, Rs 10,000 fine for possession or sale

[jamahir]

My cousins and people who want independence

sedition!!! anti-nationals!!!

I lived more in Dubai than anywhere else with some years in toronto. Only some year I spent in Lucknow. So when I went to Lucknow, each trip made me feel that there was something lacking on the table. I will never say this to my anyone but it is a reality. I am also fond of eating outside so I couldn't find places that were halal which was a problem. Dominos, Pizza Hut, Mc Donalds, for all of them we had to go for vegetarian choices. Even the Mc Donalds in the airport of New Delhi was not halal.

toh janab ne ghat ghat ka paani piya hai.

but i don't know if what you found is really a north indian problem... in south india, halal meat ( even beef ) is readily available in hyderabad, bangalore and kerala.

but i am surprised that lucknow of all places... and delhi...

by the way, the family of huma qureshi ( that lovely voluptuous actress ) runs a chain of restaurants in delhi... the next time you are in delhi, maybe you can visit one of those in the hope of catching a whiff of her scent.

Compare this with Kenya which is a non muslim country but everything is halal despite having 11% muslim population while India has 14%. I think you guys should vouch for a law where food served in whatsoever restaurant is served halal.

true... and i see that it is left to people like me and showstopper to talk about this and attempt to bring halal-everywhere law... the ulema are busy imposing burqa and shouting on mosque loudspeakers at every opportunity.

 

[Aamna Ali]

You do not even see a problem. I think the problem is accentuated by the fact that Muslims there have not lived in other countries. My cousins and people who want independence also do not see a problem with halal food being unavailable. The question is why? The answer is that Muslims of Lucknow have lived in this environment since their birth and do not know how much easier life is in muslim countries where everything is halal.

I lived more in Dubai than anywhere else with some years in toronto. Only some year I spent in Lucknow. So when I went to Lucknow, each trip made me feel that there was something lacking on the table. I will never say this to my anyone but it is a reality. I am also fond of eating outside so I couldn't find places that were halal which was a problem. Dominos, Pizza Hut, Mc Donalds, for all of them we had to go for vegetarian choices. Even the Mc Donalds in the airport of New Delhi was not halal.

Compare this with Kenya which is a non muslim country but everything is halal despite having 11% muslim population while India has 14%. I think you guys should vouch for a law where food served in whatsoever restaurant is served halal.

The funny thing about Halal is no one checks in restaurants in India.. They just have a policy of saying its halaal and everyone is just convinced at face value. I doubt any Indian KFC's or Mc'Ds serve halaal. In my city of Kolkata, for example, KFC sources chicken from Arambagh Hatcheries and i for a fact know its not even close to Halaal.

 

[The_Showstopper]

dear, people who bring their cows and bulls to slaughter house are mostly Hindus...its not that Muslims are involved in end to end thing..they are not into that business and its a well known thing... so, for enforcement group the focus will be on what is being transported than who is in the truck!

and yes, law can be compromised but beef meat is not that expensive that people can afford to pay huge bribes considering the severity of the crime as per law..

Do you think Indian police takes keen interest in animal smuggling? They mostly take action when they are under the watch of some local Sanghi leader else mostly they either ignore or take bribe... And this is something my friends of MP and Gujarat had to say....

 

[haviZsultan]

These are petty Sanghi apologists. they are brainwashed robots. They are happy to see Muslims, Christians and others suffer under fascist rule. Corporate Hindus and RSS won this election electing Bharat Jalao party.

It's more like Hindus are represented by the RSS everywhere. RSS and sanghparivar takes over temples and recruits followers as well as false-represent Hindus. Inherently, Hindus are good people; but, the terror groups are now controlling them.

Muslims are eating beef like it is before in most states. Even Hindus also. this Go-mata propaganda is made by Golwalkar to polarize Hindus to spread his agenda of fascist nation.
(Quoted below): Kurien and Golwalkar’s Friendship and RSS Supremo’s real reason for cow protection movement | The Art of Returning to India...and Staying Put...
However, one rather unusual and unexpected development during our regular committee meetings was that during that time, Golwalkar and I became close friends. People were absolutely amazed to see that we had become so close that whenever he saw me walk into the room he would rush to embrace me. He would take me aside and try to pacify me after our meetings, ‘Why do you keep losing your temper with the Shankaracharya? I agree with you about him. But don’t let the man rile you. Just ignore him.’


Golwalkar was a very small man — barely five feet — but when he got angry fire spewed out of his eyes. What impressed me most about him was that he was an intensely patriotic Indian. You could argue that he was going about preaching his brand of nationalism in a totally wrong way but nobody could question his sincerity. One day after one of our meetings when he had argued passionately for banning cow slaughter, he came to me and asked, ‘Kurien, shall I tell you why I’m making an issue of this cow slaughter business?’

I said to him, ‘Yes, please explain to me because otherwise you are a very intelligent man. Why are you doing this?’

‘I started a petition to ban cow slaughter actually to embarrass the government,’ he began explaining to me in private. ‘I decided to collect a million signatures for this to submit to the Rashtrapati. In connection with this work I travelled across the country to see how the campaign was progressing. My travels once took me to a village in UP. There I saw in one house, a woman, who having fed and sent off her husband to work and her two children to school, took this petition and went from house to house to collect signatures in that blazing summer sun. I wondered to myself why this woman should take such pains. She was not crazy to be doing this. This is when I realized that the woman was actually doing it for her cow, which was her bread and butter, and I realized how much potential the cow has.

‘Look at what our country has become. What is good is foreign: what is bad is Indian. Who is a good Indian? It’s the fellow who wears a suit and a tie and puts on a hat. Who is a bad Indian? The fellow who wears a dhoti. If this nation does not take pride in what it is and merely imitates other nations, how can it amount to anything? Then I saw that the cow has potential to unify the country – she symbolizes the culture of Bharat. So I tell you what, Kurien, you agree with me to ban cow slaughter on this committee and I promise you, five years from that date, I will have united the country. What I’m trying to tell you is that I’m not a fool, I’m not a fanatic. I’m just cold-blooded about this. I want to use the cow to bring out our Indianness, So please cooperate with me on this.’

Bro its simple logic. Its like me saying blasphemy law or hudood law should be imposed over the country (Pakistan). I am not arguing with Indians here but for the secular system which I even support for my country-which has unfortunately in all essence become a mullah republic.

I greatly respect Gandhi. These guys are qouting Gandhi about the cow but they forget that Gandhi was the one who stood for muslims just so that they could feel secure. He offered Prime Ministers position to Jinnah, he even stood with the muslims on khilafat. What many Indians call minority appeasement I am all in for in Pakistan. Countries which have small minorities must have some form of minority appeasement. Do you know how sad it makes me that despite 60 years we have failed to come up with a law that allows Hindus to get rid of their ashes easily in Pakistan?

I think this battle is between true secularism and mullah/hindutva rule. Do note the onus is often on us muslims not to hurt the sentiments of the Hindu majority but the onus is also on hindus to be protective of muslims. I would like to point out a very similar case in Pakistan. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto made drinking illegal for not just muslims but minorities in Pakistan. This is a very similar law in essence. Luckily now we have permits for minorities to drink but anyway such a law is against the rights of minority communities which have nothing in their religion against drinking.

Personally if I wanted to I could be much more hostile to Indians because I lost some family members to India as well. I think Indians should look at the cow slaughter ban much more critically.

Also you are right. Our families will continue to buy beef from illegal slaughter houses. So what is the point of the law when it will be broken?

 

[jamahir]

I am against any kind of quota.

We are capable enough to stand on our own.

disagree... most indian muslims are incapable of progress... they had 67 years... all these have built are mosques and ghettoes ( esp. middle-class ones )... this type are an embarrassment.

Rural Muslims like most of rural Indians are definitely disadvantaged because of their backward thinking..Hindu and Muslim alike.

truth.

Quota's encourage mediocrity.

not really.

If there was state discrimination on the basis of religion, quotas would make sense.

yes.

The worst affected due to quotas in India are actually the general class..mostly Hindu upper castes while iv seen many super rich but low caste hindus get through in exams just because of their surnames.

come on...

I for one have never made use of quotas.

I admit these equations change in states like UP,Bihar where caste and religion is as important as your merit but hindus as well as Muslims suffer the same way in these areas.

correct.

Muslims had a lot of opportunities to modernise themselves

absolutely... indian muslims cannot claim discrimination as reason for their backwardness.

especially after the radicals left for Pakistan.

We could have established a powerful lobby after modernising and contributed towards reforms and democracy. But most of us were busy lobbying for quotas and building mosques

truth.

so that Islam does not die out.

no, their reason was that they wanted to imitate the ritualism and prayer-mindedness of hinduism in their wrong understanding of what islam really is... this type wages daily competition to prove to each other who a "better" muslim is... loudly whispering prayer in mosque, burqa-bazi, untidy huge beards, being in tableeghi jamaat etc.

Some Islami principles are indeed good but i dont consider ban on interest upon loans as one of them.

totally disagree.

islam was early socialism, coming about to simplify life and remove oppressions of many kinds... it was an innovation for its time, complete for then... though not for the present and future.

 

[JohnyD]

Do you think Indian police takes keen interest in animal smuggling? They mostly take action when they are under the watch of some local Sanghi leader else mostly they either ignore or take bribe... And this is something my friends of MP and Gujarat had to say....

sorry dude..i got deviated...the question is not whether it can be smuggled ...after all it will make u criminal.....i personally dont eat beef...I am not for beef as far as health is concerned..my point is no one should enforce your diet on you...today these ppl ve done this tomorrow they will do something else...my point is, if u think cows and bulls shud not be killed, buy them from open market and look after them...but this law is completely non democratic

 

[jamahir]

In my city of Kolkata, for example, KFC sources chicken from Arambagh Hatcheries and i for a fact know its not even close to Halaal.

Bharat Jalao party.

Luckily now we have permits for minorities to drink

so how does @Imran Khan manage when he is in pakistan??

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

dear, people who bring their cows and bulls to slaughter house are mostly Hindus...

When cows do not produce enough milk they became uneconomical for farmers and dairy producers. Hindutva lunatics don't care about the Hindu farmers and dairy producers that sell these uneconomical cows to the Hindu cattle smugglers that transport and sell these cows to the slaughterhouses. They don't care about Hindu policemen that take bribe and let the smugglers take cows across state line. Why don't Hindutva lunatics tackle the problem at the source and buy these uneconomical cows from the Hindu farmers and dairy producers directly and keep them in self funded farms. They just want to target Muslim butchers, restaurants and consumers to make their supporters happy with anti-Muslim policies. Its not about saving the Holy Gau Mata cows but tormenting the Muslims.

 

[haviZsultan]

sedition!!! anti-nationals!!!



toh janab ne ghat ghat ka paani piya hai.

Well the food wasn't bad but too many herbs.

but i don't know if what you found is really a north indian problem... in south india, halal meat ( even beef ) is readily available in hyderabad, bangalore and kerala.

but i am surprised that lucknow of all places... and delhi...

I think the problem would be more likely to occur for a tourist than a person who has genuinely lived in Lucknow all his life. You guys might know of places where you can buy halal even though these might not be the majority. Also I am pretty much of a "burger" myself who loves double cheese burger (beef from mcdonalds) and the super supreme pizza (beef again from pizza hut).

by the way, the family of huma qureshi ( that lovely voluptuous actress ) runs a chain of restaurants in delhi... the next time you are in delhi, maybe you can visit one of those in the hope of catching a whiff of her scent.

Hahaha sure. But my next trip might be a long time away.

true... and i see that it is left to people like me and showstopper to talk about this and attempt to bring halal-everywhere law... the ulema are busy imposing burqa and shouting on mosque loudspeakers at every opportunity.

Well its pretty much logical saying Muslims should respect the Hindus and out of this respect not eat beef. But then why the muslims of sindh should not give up beef. Why should muslims in America Canada or Britain not give up beef to appease hindus. Just as the onus is on us to respect them the onus is on them too. People cannot give up eating what they want. Hindus too do not give up pork for us in Lucknow. It is available in dominos and Pizza hut:

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Its a fundamental right of a person what he eats or does not eat. Burqa should be a personal matter but jahil maulvis (some of them) have turned it into a matter of faith.

Also look at this. How many vegetarian dishes in pizza hut india and how many in dubai:

Middle East/UAE:
Welcome to Pizza Hut UAE – Order your meal online now!

India:
Pizza Hut India - Pizzahut.co.in

As you can see pork readiably available but not a single beef option. Also note that approximately half the pizzas are vegetarian.

 

[jamahir]

As you can see pork readiably available but not a single beef option. Also note that approximately half the pizzas are vegetarian.

i think the simple reason is...

1. if they serve beef, they will have their eateries damaged by bajrang dal, ram sena and the likes.

2. pork sells, and if tomorrow it is banned ( for carrying bacterium/virus maybe ), there is no violent group who will come-a-protesting.

3. the supposed community leaders of muslims have not questioned the hypocrisy of these places.

Well its pretty much logical saying Muslims should respect the Hindus and out of this respect not eat beef. But then why the muslims of sindh should not give up beef. Why should muslims in America Canada or Britain not give up beef to appease hindus. Just as the onus is on us to respect them the onus is on them too. People cannot give up eating what they want.

the best way is synthetic meat, at least for beef, mutton and chicken... it will even be necessary when human travel into space, like in the "mars one" program... can't carry poultry or cattle in a small closed environment where something like sars or anthrax can kill everyone.

from ( Synthetic meat: how the world's costliest burger made it on to the plate | Science | The Guardian )...

Dr Mark Post and his team at Maastricht University used these cells to grow 20,000 muscle fibres in individual culture wells, each one a tiny hoop of greyish-white protein suspended in a gel-like growth medium that contained antibiotics and a serum extracted from cow foetuses.

After a few weeks of growth, each hoop of fibre was removed by hand, cut open and straightened out. The fibres were then pressed together, coloured with beetroot juice and mixed with saffron, breadcrumbs and some binding ingredients to form the burger – biologically identical to beef, but grown in a lab. The total cost of the project was €250,000 (£215,000), funded by Google co-founder Sergey Brin.

"It's really just proof of concept right now, we're trying to create the first cultured beef hamburger," said Brin in a film to mark the tasting event in London on Monday. "From there I'm optimistic that we can really scale by leaps and bounds."

"Cows are very inefficient – they require 100g of vegetable protein to produce only 15g of edible animal protein," Post told the Guardian before the event in London. "So we need to feed the cows a lot so that we can feed ourselves. We lose a lot of food that way." With cultured meat, scientists can make meat production more efficient because they can keep all the variables under control.

from ( Breakthrough: Synthetic Meat Made From Stem Cells )...

Starting with a vial of stem cells from the working cell bank, the process facilitates the exponential growth of cells with each successive step. After the cells grow to a certain density, they're moved to the next culture vessel, which is an order of magnitude larger.

The final bioreactor starts only partially filled and is fed with a sterile medium to ensure that the cells grow under optimal conditions. When it's full and the desired cell density is reached, an enzyme and a binding protein are added to induce the formation of easily settling aggregates of cells. They quickly settle when stirring is stopped. Then, the harvested cells are pressed and the cake is divided into retail- or consumer-sized portions of minced meat.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

from ( Breakthrough: Synthetic Meat Made From Stem Cells )...

Very few people are going to eat synthetic fruits, vegetables and meat.

 

[jamahir]

Very few people are going to eat synthetic fruits, vegetables and meat.

there won't be synthetic fruits and vegetables because they are good as they are, and they can be grafted or genetically modified for extra qualities... they can be transported anywhere safely and grown potentially anywhere.

synthetic meat, however, is essential for the at least three reasons i gave/quoted in my post above... people reluctant to eat it is basically concern about health, traditions and employments, yes??

 

[BhumiharTiger]

Marathis are scared of Bhumihars

 

[The_Showstopper]

sorry dude..i got deviated...the question is not whether it can be smuggled ...after all it will make u criminal.....i personally dont eat beef...I am not for beef as far as health is concerned..my point is no one should enforce your diet on you...today these ppl ve done this tomorrow they will do something else...my point is, if u think cows and bulls shud not be killed, buy them from open market and look after them...but this law is completely non democratic

The main intention of not buying from open market is to hurt the muslim butchers and at the same time letting the Hindu smugglers and farmers not suffer any losses.... If you ever get to read news of "Gau Raksha Dal" raids, they mostly seize cattle when they are being smuggled after being bought by butchers...

When cows do not produce enough milk they became uneconomical for farmers and dairy producers. Hindutva lunatics don't care about the Hindu farmers and dairy producers that sell these uneconomical cows to the Hindu cattle smugglers that transport and sell these cows to the slaughterhouses. They don't care about Hindu policemen that take bribe and let the smugglers take cows across state line. Why don't Hindutva lunatics tackle the problem at the source and buy these uneconomical cows from the Hindu farmers and dairy producers directly and keep them in self funded farms. They just want to target Muslim butchers, restaurants and consumers to make their supporters happy with anti-Muslim policies. Its not about saving the Holy Gau Mata cows but tormenting the Muslims.

They do care about Hindu farmers and Hindu cattle smugglers as they ignore the market places where the cattle are sold and instead target when they are being transported by muslim butchers after they've been bought...

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

They do care about Hindu farmers and Hindu cattle smugglers as they ignore the market places where the cattle are sold and instead target when they are being transported by muslim butchers after they've been bought...

The cows are sold by Hindu farmers to Hindu smugglers. Hindu farmer get paid 10,000 Rupees for the cow. Hindu cattle smugglers pays bribe to Hindu policemen to smuggle across state lines. Hindu policemen get 1,000 rupees in bribe. Hindu smuggler the sells the cow to slaughterhouse. Hindu cattle smuggler get paid 15,000 for each cow. Now the Hindu police with support of Hinduvta lunatics raid Muslim butchers, take away the cows, destroy their businesses and jail Muslims for 7 years. All the Hindus got paid then they raid Muslim shops and restaurants and jail only Muslims.