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Muslims were strategically in control of the wells at Badr. In fact, Meccans lost because they were starved of water. Meccans were butchered as they approached the Wells of Badr:
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Whatever you think it was, It was a very decisive for the existance of Islam. Confidance, moral and Faith booster. We Beat Idol worshipers and The Only ALLAH wins that day. Muslims were less, not in only badr but in all wars in early era of Islam and ALLAH helped us always.

And you please take 2 tablets of "Aqal" with 2 teaspoons of "Hosh".
 
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I do not agree with Abrahamic concepts of finding salvation for me they are like political movements bringing divisions in people and creating hatred although I agree with some of the concepts of divine in those religions, I agree more with the Dharmic philosophy which is more relevant and makes people better beings.

A GOD who created all the beings do not create divisions among them !





You are talking about a delusional/cannot be seen being called god !
So you are saying just because you cannot see the god you won't believe in it? Ignorance is what I call it. What about signs which have been warned to us that have come to pass hmm? I'll name a few: Universal Riba (1.lending/borrowing money on interest. 2. Ripping off people. These are two forms of riba). Tall buildings being built. Women will out number men etc. just because you cannot see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like can we see the other dimensions of space and time. No, but it exists.
 
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So you are saying just because you cannot see the god you won't believe in it? Ignorance is what I call it. What about signs which have been warned to us that have come to pass hmm? I'll name a few: Universal Riba (1.lending/borrowing money on interest. 2. Ripping off people. These are two forms of riba). Tall buildings being built. Women will out number men etc. just because you cannot see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like can we see the other dimensions of space and time. No, but it exists.

In India also there are many people who predicted things and they became true.
 
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I do not agree with Abrahamic concepts of finding salvation for me they are like political movements bringing divisions in people and creating hatred although I agree with some of the concepts of divine in those religions, I agree more with the Dharmic philosophy which is more relevant and makes people a better beings.

A GOD who created all the beings do not create divisions among them !

You are talking about a delusional/cannot be seen being called god !
Politics is completely another topic...We can open up an other thread to discuss...

True the Dharmic Philosophy is much more peace loving...

Still one can argue why is the holiest of the hindu gods only a black stone without any features... No one has seen him, has deception and is delusional... still largely worshiped.

There is this Bhajan as well:

Bol gori bol teraa kaun piya
Kaun hai vo tune jise pyaar kiyaa
Bol gori bol teraa kaun piyaa
Are tu jaane naa usakaa naam
Har subah har shaam
Duniyaa ne usi kaa naam liyaa
Bol tu hi
Bol tu hi bol meraa kaun piyaa
Bol gori bol teraa kaun piyaa

Hai kaun saare jag se niraalaa
Koi nishaani batalaao baalaa
Usaki nishaani vo bholaa-bhaalaa
Usake gale men sarpon ki maalaa
Vo kai hain jisake roop kahin chhanv
Kahin dhoop
Teraa saajan hai yaa bahuroopiyaa
Bol gori bol teraa kaun piyaa
Bol tu hi bol meraa kaun piyaa

Mann usakaa mandir praan pujaari
Ghodaa na haathi kare bail savaari
Kailaash paravat kaa vo to jogi
Achchhaa vahi dar dar kaa bhikhaari
Dar-dar kaa bhikhaari
Haan bo hai bhikhaari theek leke
Bhakatee ki bheek
Badale men jagat ko mox diyaa
Bol gori bol teraa kaun piyaa

Main jisako bhaaun jo mujhako bhaae
Ik dosh to koi usamen bataae
Tu jisape marati hai haay haay
Vo jataaon men gangaa bahaae
Do din kaa hai saath yug yug se meri
Baat
Main hun baati agar to vo diyaa
Bol tu hi bol meraa kaun piya
 
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Abu Sufyan had to call in armed aid from Mecca to protect his rich caravan from being raided by peaceful muslims as usual:
The Myth:

Muslims Fought the Battle of Badr in Self-Defense

The Truth:

If Muslims are only supposed to fight in self-defense, then the Battle of Badr would had to have been a case in which an enemy was attacking or marching on Muhammad at Medina. If this is what you want to believe, then stop right now and try to stay away from history books.

Muslim historians of the day meticulously documented the circumstances that preceded the Battle of Badr and there is not the least bit of wiggle room for anyone hoping to believe that Muslims fought in self-defense that day.

In the first place, the Meccans were not marching on Muhammad. They did send out an army - but it was to protect their caravans from Muslim raiders (who had recently killed Meccan caravan drivers defending their property). The Meccans were not interested in starting a war; only in seeing that their merchandise and drivers were unmolested by Muhammad’s pirates (see prior article on Muhammad's Caravan Raids).

According to the historians of the day:

Then the apostle heard that Abu Sufyan was coming from Syria with a large caravan of Qurish, containing their money and merchandise, accompanied by some thirty or forty men… When the Apostle heard about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned the Muslims and said, “This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps Allah will give it as a prey.”(Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428)

The account goes on to say that some of the Muslims were reluctant to participate in the attack because they did not want to go to war. Muhammad later refers to these peaceful Muslims as ‘Hypocrites’ in the Qur’an, where he also condemns them to Hell and demands that true Muslims deal with them harshly (66:9).

After Muhammad sent his men to attack the caravan, Abu Sufyan (his Meccan adversary) learned of his plans:

When he got near to the Hijaz, Abu Sufyan was seeking news and questioning every rider in his anxiety, until he got news from some riders that Muahmmad had called out his companions against him and his caravan. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428)

Muhammad himself declared that the Meccans were simply trying to protect their property:

The Quraysh have come to protect their horsemen. (Tabari, Volume V11, p.31)

Abu Sufyan even tried to avoid a battle by changing his route and calling for help. The Meccans then sent out a larger force of about 900 men to rescue the caravan.

A lengthy cat and mouse game ensued between Muhammad and the Meccans, in which the latter do nearly everything they can to avoid a conflict and make their way home (Ishaq/Hisham 433 to 443). Eventually Muhammad successfully forces them into battle by deliberately stopping up the water wells on which they depended for the trek back to Mecca - and then planting his army between the remaining wells and the thirsty Meccans.

What part of this could possibly be confused with self-defense on the part of Muhammad?

At that point, the Muslims clearly had the advantage against the weary and reluctant Meccans, even though they were lesser in number. Initially, they amused themselves by killing the few men desperate enough to try and reach the water:

Al-Aswad, who was a quarrelsome ill-natured man, stepped forth and said, “I swear to God that I will drink from their cistern or destroy it or die before reaching it.” Hamza [a Muslim strongman] came forth against him and when the two met, Hamza smote him and sent his foot and half his shank flying as he was near the cistern. He fell on his back and lay there, blood streaming from his foot toward his comrades. Then he crawled to the cistern and threw himself into it for the purpose of fulfilling his oath, but Hamza followed him and smote him…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 443)

The Muslims toyed with several other thirst-crazed Meccans in the same deadly manner before Muhammad finally gave the order to rout the “enemy.”

The period following the victorious battle was one of giddy celebration for the Muslims. The decapitated heads of Muhammad’s opponents from Mecca were presented to him, and their slayers honored. Live captives were brought before him as well, where he ordered some ransomed and others executed. In what seemed bizarre even to his own men, Muhammad walked among the bodies of the dead Meccans and taunted them, insisting that they could hear him in Hell (Bukhari 59:314).

The captured wealth of the Meccans was divided among the victors. Hamza, the man who had slaughtered the first Meccan attempting to reach water, turned his cruel amusement toward defenseless animals, cutting the humps off of camels and disemboweling them for no reason other than to relish their agony (Bukhari 59:340).

Amid the drunken carnage, Allah “spoke” to Muhammad and told him to make sure that the other Muslims gave him a fifth of the war booty. These words have become permanently recorded in the Qur’an (8:1), even though they have no relevance today.

The prophet of Islam also informed his men that their victory was actually due to a legion of angels sent down by Allah (8:9) - which were, of course, visible only to Muhammad (8:50). (For some reason, the angels didn’t show at the next battle, in which the Muslims were routed at Uhud).

Much of the 8th Sura, one of the Qur’an’s more violent chapters, was “revealed” following the aftermath of the Battle of Badr. Many of the verses make little sense outside of their historical context, proving that the Sira (biography of Muhammad) is necessary for interpreting the Qur’an.

In this case, the historical context is completely at odds with any misconception on the part of modern-day Muslims that the Battle of Badr was a defensive conflict. Only the Meccans fought in defense of their lives and property that day – and they did so reluctantly after Muhammad took monumental steps to force them into battle.
Myth: Muslims Fought the Battle of Badr in Self-Defense
yes, and the Meccan army didnt go back, use common sense and tell me, can a force of 1000 men not break barrier of 313 men without armor even?
 
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Abu Sufyan had to call in armed aid from Mecca to protect his rich caravan from being raided by peaceful muslims as usual:
1)First of all kid there is something known as "Economic Blockade" that was actually that.
Muhammad later refers to these peaceful Muslims as ‘Hypocrites’ in the Qur’an, where he also condemns them to Hell and demands that true Muslims deal with them harshly (66:9).
2)About that Prophet Muhammad isn't the one who called them ‘Hypocrites’ Quran is book of Allah and he had called them because of there nasty tactics against Islam which they were trying in shroud of being Muslim.
You should dare to Read What happened before Badar.
 
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Muslims cursed the Meccan gods and also went against their beliefs, reason why muslims were persecuted and had to leave Mecca.

It was muslims who provoked Meccans. Meccans brought many proposals infront of the Prophet but the Prophet rejected and also rejected/insulted the old Meccan traditions.

The battle of Badr some say it was because of looting of Meccan caravans by Muslims, some argue that the goods infact belong to Muslims which are being sold by Meccans.

But based on the history, the battle occurred only after repeated attacks by Muslims on Meccan caravans .
And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do. (Surah Ana'am)


when exactly did Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) insult their idols?
 
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In India also there are many people who predicted things and they became true.
Except this man was an uneducated and illiterate person. Predictions and prophecies are different. And what are some Indian predictions?
 
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It was here that a band of 313 Muslims, mostly unarmed and with two horses and 70 camels between them, led by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him.


And indeed Allah assisted you at Badr when you were weak, so be careful (to your duty) to Allah so that you may be of the thankful ones. When you said to the believers ‘Does it not suffice that your Lord should assist you with three thousand angels sent down.’ Sura Aal-e-Imran 3:123 & 124.

The battle of Badr was the first of the great battles of Islam. The faithfuls were put to the first real test during this battle.

The importance of the Battle of Badr cannot be over-estimated. In the long chain of significant events in the history of Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) struggle against the Makkan oppressors, it was an event after which the early Muslim community felt itself free to make rapid advances. Badr represented the first major test to the new and nascent organisation founded by the Prophet.

No one was aware of the importance of the outcome of the battle as the Prophet (peace be upon hom) himself. We might read the depth of his anxiety in his prayer before the beginning of the battle when he stood up supplicating his Lord: “God this is Quraish. It has come with all its arrogance and boastfulness, trying to discredit Thy Apostle. God, I ask Thee to humiliate them tomorrow. God, if this Muslim band will perish today, Thou shall not be worshipped.”

The Battle of Badr was fought on the 17th of Ramadan in 624 AD (the second year of the Hijra) about 50 miles south-west of Madina near the point where the then Madina-Syria caravan route wound its way through a difficult terrain.

It was here that a band of 313 Muslims, mostly unarmed and with two horses and 70 camels between them, led by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), met a well-armed and well-equipped army of their pagan enemies of Makkah, numbered over a thousand, and won, by God’s help, a splendid victory that established the standard of truth never to be lowered again.

The Makkah army had among its leaders some of the most experienced warriors of Arabia including Abu Jahl, the inveterate foe and persecutor of Islam. After individual combats, according to the customs of Arabia, between Hamza, Ali and Obaidah on the side of the Muslims and three braves from the Makkah ranks, a pitched battle ensued. The stakes were great. Both the forces fought valiantly but the Muslims were animated by holy zeal.

It was impossible, without the miraculous aid of God, for such a small and ill-equipped force, as was the Muslim band, to defeat the large and well-equipped force of the enemy. But their firmness, zeal and discipline won them divine aid.

The Battle of Badr came in the wake of the worst kind of persecution of Muslims. The Prophet of Islam and his devoted band of followers had patiently endured untold hardship, tyranny and oppression for 13 years and ultimately had to abandon their hearths and homes, sacrificing whatever worldly possession they had.

The little exiled community of Makkah Muslims, with their friends in Madina, had organised themselves into a God-fearing community, but were constantly in danger of being attacked by their pagan enemies of Makkah, in alliance with some of the disaffected elements (Jews and hypocrites) in or near Madina itself. The design of the Makkans was to gather all the resources they could, and with an overwhelming force, to crush and annihilate the Prophet and his party.

To this end, Abu Saufyan, a leader of the pagan Makkah was leading a richly laden caravan from Syria to Makkah. He called for armed aid from Makkah. There were two alternatives before Muslims in Madina, to have themselves being overwhelmed by the Makkans with all the resources from the rich Syrian trade. One which had least danger for the time being and also promised much booty, was to fall upon the caravan returning from Syria with only 40 men unarmed. From a worldly point of view, this was the safest and most lucrative course.

The other alternative which was actually adopted on the recommendation of the apostle by the guidance of God, was to leave the booty alone and march out boldly against the well-armed and well-equipped army of 1,000 men coming from Makkah. The Muslims had no more than 300 men, ill armed to oppose the force. But if they could defeat it, it would shake the selfish autocracy which was in possession in Makkah.

The consequence of the victory at Badr was, therefore, far reaching. It gave the nascent Muslim state of Madina the much needed self-confidence and moral strength to stand on its own at a time when the holy Prophet had almost lost all hopes of withstanding the persecution. It dealt a severe blow to the prestige of pagan Makkah..

(The writer is a former Khaleej Times staffer)
Battle of Badr: The first of the great battles of Islam - Khaleej Times Mobile
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You've posted it in a place where people allergic to Islam from inside and outside are present in numbers.
They'll spew venomous hatred and then u'll be provoked.
 
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@Norwegian Have some self respect and stop quoting absolutely hideous right-wing christian internet websites as your "sources" when it comes to criticism of Islam. You won't go anywhere with these well-known documented Muslim hating sites as your sources.
Of course these facts are quoted from the Muslim sources:
The battle of Badr actually took place in consequence of the raids. Hence it is clear from the above that the fundamental reasons of the battle of Badr were social – to provide safety for the Muslims, political – that’s why the raid took place as per the norm at that time and finally religious – to give dominance to Islam.
The Factors Which Led To The Battle Of Badr

Imagine, 313 Muslims fighting for their survival in unknown deserts of Mecca.
If they really wished to survive, all they had to do was stop raiding Meccan trading caravans!

Today, 1.7 billon+ Muslims across the globe and quarter of humanity ascribes to Islamic religion and culture. Mashallah.
Mashallah. All thanks to armed Jihad.

Unlike many events of Hinduism and Christianity etc, the events of Islamic history aren't "myths" but actual recorded events.
Yes, and that's how we know so much about the events that led to Battle of Badr and other Ghazwats that followed.

We Beat Idol worshipers and The Only ALLAH wins that day. Muslims were less, not in only badr but in all wars in early era of Islam and ALLAH helped us always.
"We"? It wasn't you but Arab nomads.

And you please take 2 tablets of "Aqal" with 2 teaspoons of "Hosh".
Ditto.

use common sense and tell me, can a force of 1000 men not break barrier of 313 men without armor even?
Battle of Thermopylae was a similar battle, in which vastly outnumbered greeks managed to defeat invading persian army with humiliation:
The Battle of Thermopylae

1)First of all kid there is something known as "Economic Blockade" that was actually that.
So this is how you "break" an economic blockade by raiding their trading caravans for booty? LOL! :D

2)About that Prophet Muhammad isn't the one who called them ‘Hypocrites’ Quran is book of Allah and he had called them because of there nasty tactics against Islam which they were trying in shroud of being Muslim.
So they disagreed with the Holy Prophet (SAW) regarding the battle strategy and were branded hypocrites. Sounds dictatorship.

You should dare to Read What happened before Badar.
I have read it all.

when exactly did Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) insult their idols?
When all idols were crushed following the fall of Mecca?

Except this man was an uneducated and illiterate person. Predictions and prophecies are different.
So illiterate and uneducated persons can't prophesize? Ever heard of Our Lady Fatima and Miracle of the Sun? It was prophesied by some christian children, and it came true:
Our Lady of Fátima - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Abu Sufyan had to call in armed aid from Mecca to protect his rich caravan from being raided by peaceful muslims as usual:
The Myth:

Muslims Fought the Battle of Badr in Self-Defense

The Truth:

If Muslims are only supposed to fight in self-defense, then the Battle of Badr would had to have been a case in which an enemy was attacking or marching on Muhammad at Medina. If this is what you want to believe, then stop right now and try to stay away from history books.

Muslim historians of the day meticulously documented the circumstances that preceded the Battle of Badr and there is not the least bit of wiggle room for anyone hoping to believe that Muslims fought in self-defense that day.

In the first place, the Meccans were not marching on Muhammad. They did send out an army - but it was to protect their caravans from Muslim raiders (who had recently killed Meccan caravan drivers defending their property). The Meccans were not interested in starting a war; only in seeing that their merchandise and drivers were unmolested by Muhammad’s pirates (see prior article on Muhammad's Caravan Raids).

According to the historians of the day:

Then the apostle heard that Abu Sufyan was coming from Syria with a large caravan of Qurish, containing their money and merchandise, accompanied by some thirty or forty men… When the Apostle heard about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned the Muslims and said, “This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps Allah will give it as a prey.”(Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428)

The account goes on to say that some of the Muslims were reluctant to participate in the attack because they did not want to go to war. Muhammad later refers to these peaceful Muslims as ‘Hypocrites’ in the Qur’an, where he also condemns them to Hell and demands that true Muslims deal with them harshly (66:9).

After Muhammad sent his men to attack the caravan, Abu Sufyan (his Meccan adversary) learned of his plans:

When he got near to the Hijaz, Abu Sufyan was seeking news and questioning every rider in his anxiety, until he got news from some riders that Muahmmad had called out his companions against him and his caravan. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428)

Muhammad himself declared that the Meccans were simply trying to protect their property:

The Quraysh have come to protect their horsemen. (Tabari, Volume V11, p.31)

Abu Sufyan even tried to avoid a battle by changing his route and calling for help. The Meccans then sent out a larger force of about 900 men to rescue the caravan.

A lengthy cat and mouse game ensued between Muhammad and the Meccans, in which the latter do nearly everything they can to avoid a conflict and make their way home (Ishaq/Hisham 433 to 443). Eventually Muhammad successfully forces them into battle by deliberately stopping up the water wells on which they depended for the trek back to Mecca - and then planting his army between the remaining wells and the thirsty Meccans.

What part of this could possibly be confused with self-defense on the part of Muhammad?

At that point, the Muslims clearly had the advantage against the weary and reluctant Meccans, even though they were lesser in number. Initially, they amused themselves by killing the few men desperate enough to try and reach the water:

Al-Aswad, who was a quarrelsome ill-natured man, stepped forth and said, “I swear to God that I will drink from their cistern or destroy it or die before reaching it.” Hamza [a Muslim strongman] came forth against him and when the two met, Hamza smote him and sent his foot and half his shank flying as he was near the cistern. He fell on his back and lay there, blood streaming from his foot toward his comrades. Then he crawled to the cistern and threw himself into it for the purpose of fulfilling his oath, but Hamza followed him and smote him…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 443)

The Muslims toyed with several other thirst-crazed Meccans in the same deadly manner before Muhammad finally gave the order to rout the “enemy.”

The period following the victorious battle was one of giddy celebration for the Muslims. The decapitated heads of Muhammad’s opponents from Mecca were presented to him, and their slayers honored. Live captives were brought before him as well, where he ordered some ransomed and others executed. In what seemed bizarre even to his own men, Muhammad walked among the bodies of the dead Meccans and taunted them, insisting that they could hear him in Hell (Bukhari 59:314).

The captured wealth of the Meccans was divided among the victors. Hamza, the man who had slaughtered the first Meccan attempting to reach water, turned his cruel amusement toward defenseless animals, cutting the humps off of camels and disemboweling them for no reason other than to relish their agony (Bukhari 59:340).

Amid the drunken carnage, Allah “spoke” to Muhammad and told him to make sure that the other Muslims gave him a fifth of the war booty. These words have become permanently recorded in the Qur’an (8:1), even though they have no relevance today.

The prophet of Islam also informed his men that their victory was actually due to a legion of angels sent down by Allah (8:9) - which were, of course, visible only to Muhammad (8:50). (For some reason, the angels didn’t show at the next battle, in which the Muslims were routed at Uhud).

Much of the 8th Sura, one of the Qur’an’s more violent chapters, was “revealed” following the aftermath of the Battle of Badr. Many of the verses make little sense outside of their historical context, proving that the Sira (biography of Muhammad) is necessary for interpreting the Qur’an.

In this case, the historical context is completely at odds with any misconception on the part of modern-day Muslims that the Battle of Badr was a defensive conflict. Only the Meccans fought in defense of their lives and property that day – and they did so reluctantly after Muhammad took monumental steps to force them into battle.
Myth: Muslims Fought the Battle of Badr in Self-Defense

@Zarvan Forgive my brother for getting involved in your thread without being tagged.

@Norwegian The LIES you have copied and pasted; if you would have bothered to cross check the references of Seerath Al-Nabi (as'salaathu was'salaam) of Ibn Hisham and Ibn Ishaq;

1). you would KNOW they are two different authors.
2). the incident you've quoted is not in Ibn Hisham or Ibn Ishaq
3). how can you have the same page numbers for two different books and not be there? (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428)

BTW; I have the Arabic version as well!

Next time don't spread LIES about Islam!
 
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