Bars, Nightclubs, Lottery, Casinos, HorseRacing - Why can't we have those things?

[SkyWolf]

The poor state of Muslims unfortunately...
That's what happen when you "legalize"...

And to protect ourselves from all that westerninzation, let's move to the west! This is hypocrisy. Live up to your morals sir and move to the Islamic paradise of Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia instead of France and England.

Hmm...why can't we have..."FUN". Let's talk about that...there is a much MUCH bigger question to be asked here and I am NOT gonna take the mullah approach that Allah forbid it so no you can't have that. Indeed Allah DID forbid it but my approach is a bit different...Allah forbid it for a very VERY good reason. Do we WANT to have a society where people go to nightclubs and wake up the next morning next to folks they don't recognize? I don't think so. Do we want to have a society where the wife or husband are constantly looking at their spouse with suspicion about the person they may have danced with at some company ballroom party? I don't think so. Do we want to have a society were the death count of accidents due to drunk driving is sky high? I don't think so. So the issue is NOT the "pious and often hypocritical Muslims" imposing anything...the issue is that do we REALLY want to have a society that is suffering from the nearly incurable diseases that the western world is riddled with? And BULEEEVE ME, they indeed ARE incurable, I live in the west as do you...you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. heck, you probably even know of a woman who got raped by someone at a nightclub but is far too drunk to remember who he was. You may even know of a few families who lost loved ones due to a drunk driver running them over...

the solution is to instill HATRED and DISGUST for this culture by presenting logical, understandable evidences that would CONVINCE the masses that if Allah forbad these FOR A VERY GOOD REASON!

Lets instill hatred for westernization says gumnaam from the comforts of the.... west!!!!! LMAO --> HYPOCRISY.

 

[HannibalBarca]

And to protect ourselves from all that westerninzation, let's move to the west! This is hypocrisy. Live up to your morals sir and move to the Islamic paradise of Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia instead of France and England.



Lets instill hatred for westernization says gumnaam from the comforts of the.... west!!!!! LMAO --> HYPOCRISY.

Never came in your mind... that every "Muslim" in the West aren't "Migrants"?????
And the Irony... is that those who were born in the West end up more Religious than "Migrants" themselves...

 

[SkyWolf]

Well? Let's go with that as an example then. Why should anyone else suffer the side effects of those who DO choose get drunk in a night club and then get behind the wheels? Yeah, you can make laws around that penalizing such people all you want but let's face it...the ones who died or got crippled from drunk drivers...they are neither coming back to life nor are they getting their lives back on track now are they?

easier said than done buddy, prevention is so SO MUCH more better than the cure...

you have not spent much time in Karachi or any other major pak city have you? People drive drunk and stoned all the time mera bacha. meri zindagi. The world is not as ammi jaan described it.

Never came in your mind... that every "Muslim" in the West aren't "Migrants"?????
And the Irony... is that those who were born in the West end up more Religious than "Migrants" themselves...

Doesn't matter. If west is so bad, take your native, pompous self to a country that meets your moral standards. I hear Somalia is nice this time around.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Doesn't matter. If west is so bad, take your native, pompous self to a country that meets your moral standards. I hear Somalia is nice this time around.

My country is still welcoming for my faith and my Morals... I will think again when they don't anymore...

 

[SkyWolf]

Because we are so called munafiq nation . We spend this money is eu dubai and bankok

Then I guess we are destined to ask richer countries like UAE for handouts. How many Pakistanis work in UAE bars, nightclubs and casinos? What if they could have those jobs at home and see their family every day instead of every 5 years.

My country is still welcoming for my faith and my Morals... I will think again when they don't anymore...

HAHAHAHA you hate the western culture but won't even think about leaving.
Why are you back-stabbing that country by saying it has terrible moral western standards. Why are you enjoying such environment but enforcing rules on muslims in muslim country? Maybe if Muslim countries were more free and liberal -- they could attract more commerce, trade and tourism. but you keep living in france and stab it in the back.

That's the thing. What zealots like you need to understand is that there is always someone more zealous ready to enforce their rules upon you.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Then why are you back-stabbing that country by saying it has terrible moral western standards. Why are you enjoying such environment but enforcing rules on muslims in muslim country? Maybe if Muslim countries were more free and liberal -- they could attract more commerce, trade and tourism. but you keep living in france and stab it in the back.

I wonder what logic you are getting yours...
I will continue thinking in good faith toward you...

Did you see me backstabbing my country? or was expressing my Morals an act of Treason?
I enjoy my "Halal" environment in my country... you know... there is no law that force you to drink... and play by the Haram book...

Did you see me enforcing something on someone? Did you know about my Power Statut that I am not aware of? or Speaking my mind on what is better or worse also an act of "Treason"?
I know " FREE Muslim" countries and I saw how they end up... when they throw out their History/identity and culture out of the window just to enjoy that "Illusion" of Development... they are regretting it... and are paying the price... I also saw the Western societies paying their bills today bc of their "Liberal" ideology...

Please next time try to think about your ideas... and their consequences to society...
All those pages are quite useless... When the simple data that Western societies are trying to stop the hemorrhages that yourself hope/wish to have in Pakistan... just for the sake of few dollars here or there... that in the long term... no bailout will help you get out of it...

You are driven by desires and short vision... and quite frankly weakness... you are weak to your own desires...

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

yeah sure, the proponents should send their sister & wives in skimpy closeth to attract more customers and also open up strip clubs where they can also dance. Ist a win-win for the proponents and all they gotta do is lead by example.

 

[El Sidd]

I wonder what logic you are getting yours...
I will continue thinking in good faith toward you...

Did you see me backstabbing my country? or was expressing my Morals an act of Treason?
I enjoy my "Halal" environment in my country... you know... there is no law that force you to drink... and play by the Haram book...

Did you see me enforcing something on someone? Did you know about my Power Statut that I am not aware of? or Speaking my mind on what is better or worse also an act of "Treason"?
I know " FREE Muslim" countries and I saw how they end up... when they throw out their History/identity and culture out of the window just to enjoy that "Illusion" of Development... they are regretting it... and are paying the price... I also saw the Western societies paying their bills today bc of their "Liberal" ideology...

Please next time try to think about your ideas... and their consequences to society...
All those pages are quite useless... When the simple data that Western societies are trying to stop the hemorrhages that yourself hope/wish to have in Pakistan... just for the sake of few dollars here or there... that in the long term... no bailout will help you get out of it...

You are driven by desires and short vision... and quite frankly weakness... you are weak to your own desires...

stop wasting your time.

let him try.

as far as those Pakistanis who do these things, it's a matter of time before poor muslims take them out through mob justice

 

[SkyWolf]

I wonder what logic you are getting yours...
I will continue thinking in good faith toward you...

Did you see me backstabbing my country? or was expressing my Morals an act of Treason?
I enjoy my "Halal" environment in my country... you know... there is no law that force you to drink... and play by the Haram book...

Did you see me enforcing something on someone? Did you know about my Power Statut that I am not aware of? or Speaking my mind on what is better or worse also an act of "Treason"?
I know " FREE Muslim" countries and I saw how they end up... when they throw out their History/identity and culture out of the window just to enjoy that "Illusion" of Development... they are regretting it... and are paying the price... I also saw the Western societies paying their bills today bc of their "Liberal" ideology...

Please next time try to think about your ideas... and their consequences to society...
All those pages are quite useless... When the simple data that Western societies are trying to stop the hemorrhages that yourself hope/wish to have in Pakistan... just for the sake of few dollars here or there... that in the long term... no bailout will help you get out of it...

You are driven by desires and short vision... and quite frankly weakness... you are weak to your own desires...

Go back and re-read your own hypocrisy. I am not here to do your homework.

 

[El Sidd]

yeah sure, the proponents should send their sister & wives in skimpy closeth to attract more customers and also open up strip clubs where they can also dance. Ist a win-win for the proponents and all they gotta do is lead by example.

mans a huge pti fan. may have even foreign funded the election campaign.

told you it's a dejjalic plague

 

[HannibalBarca]

Go back and re-read your own hypocrisy. I am not here to do your homework.

I will take it as a way for you to bail out...
I understand...
Have Fun But I hope that no other Muslim country fall into this trap again... Who knows maybe seeing their "Idols" backtracking may hopefully help them make a sound decision...
Inshallah, people with your mindset Never Ever succeed.

May Allah protect those Muslim countries Who tries to do their best to keep themselves in the Halal way.

 

[SkyWolf]

stop wasting your time.

let him try.

as far as those Pakistanis who do these things, it's a matter of time before poor muslims take them out through mob justice

Do you have any idea how much adulterous sex is happening in the poorer neighborhoods? I know someone that owns a beauty salon and many ladies work there. You will be shocked ot hear their stories. Poor people will not attack because of middle class morality but because of lack of bread. Burray Aye.

 

[El Sidd]

Do you have any idea how much adulterous sex is happening in the poorer neighborhoods? I know someone that owns a beauty salon and many ladies work there. You will be shocked ot hear their stories. Poor people will not attack because of middle class morality but because of lack of bread. Burray Aye.

Does it matter if they eliminate them for bread or for morality? the fate is sealed already.

if you want to advocate for creating jobs, why choose sex tourism as your first argument?

and as far as Barry eye is concerned. he is one eyed and only likes to invoke wrath of God

 

[Longhorn]

And to protect ourselves from all that westerninzation, let's move to the west! This is hypocrisy. Live up to your morals sir and move to the Islamic paradise of Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia instead of France and England.



Lets instill hatred for westernization says gumnaam from the comforts of the.... west!!!!! LMAO --> HYPOCRISY.

None of these would ever move back to Pakistan because they enjoy the freedoms and benefits of an open society.
They know that the countries they have moved to are better, they're just not prepared to acknowledge why they are better.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder, I guess.

 

[El Sidd]

None of these would ever move back to Pakistan because they enjoy the freedoms and benefits of an open society.
They know that the countries they have moved to are better, they're just not prepared to acknowledge why they are better.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder, I guess.

why do you desire to force the opinion of a minority on a majority?

when has that ever worked