Bars, Nightclubs, Lottery, Casinos, HorseRacing - Why can't we have those things?

[surge]

A Sinner anxiety decrease by making others Sinners...
And a Sinner will find "Meaning" for his Sins...

Welcome Where Desire is your God...

well said man well said

 

[Rusty]

You can have these things but you have to have a population mature enough to manage these vices.

I absolutely hate gambling, it destroys lives. I have been to Vegas and it is the most soul destroying place I have ever been to.

Yes to a Malaysia like enviornment with bars and live music. I remember being in Penang in Malaysia in a Korean bar whilst azaan was on loudspeaker outside nearby with people going to mosque. No one judged anyone, everyone busy with their activity. It was the most beautiful experience I have ever had.

Yes to legalized cannabis. Make some fun lounges with activities. Some in the mountains too. Nature cannabis friendly resorts in the mountains wow.

No to gambling. It is a blessing you have kept this illegal.

You said 100% what I was going to say.
When you make these things illegal you don't stop it, you make it go underground.

I even heard that it's so easy to get alcohol that there are delivery companies that will bring it to your house.

I also think there should be entertainment districts with live music and what not.

People have nothing to do outside of eating at restaurants.

 

[Adonis]

What I meant was its a Muslim majority country




Its not .. According to Islam. . What ever happens within confines of your home or private property is no one's buissness

Interesting....means a Muslim can have wine and women in a Muslim country at home but not in public place....

Tell me why there are brothels in Pakistan then?

Also isn't UAE, Jordan, Qatar etc. Muslim? there you can have everything.

 

[The Accountant]

I never understood this. How can a place, or an object, have a religion.

Is your bed a Muslim? Is your house a Muslim? Is your mobile phone a Muslim?

OP is right. Let the people do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others. Religion is a personal matter between man and God, not between man and state.



Don't worry dear, women are being shagged (raped) for free, burkha ho ya na ho, and our people can't do shit.

Problem lies in culture.

Thats western definition of state and religion not ours. In our religion it is responsibility of state to define and implement moral principles in accordance with quran and hadith.

If u dont like it u r free to go anywhere but here majority is in favour of this setup.

 

[Mrc]

Interesting....means a Muslim can have wine and women in a Muslim country at home but not in public place....

Tell me why there are brothels in Pakistan then?

Also isn't UAE, Jordan, Qatar etc. Muslim? there you can have everything.

Brothels are illegal.. But like any other country in the world where prostitution is illegal It continues un abated ..

Why there brothels in USA or UK? ?? It's illegal their as well.. Its far more difficult to find a brothel on pakistan than it is in UK for instance


As per UAE and Qatar it's also illegal to be publically drunk or with a prostitute.. . People have ended up in jail for that in dubai. .Westerners. .. Just Google it. .

But since there are people with money . . There are ladies available everywhere to cater for their needs

 

[War Thunder]

Many Pakistanis drink, dance and gamble often at underground parties. Why can't we have bars, nightclubs, lotteries, sportsbetting and casinos and tax the shit out of them for the national exchequer?

Why do we have this facade where everyone is wonderfully Muslim? In Defence, private parties are protected by the Police to keep unwelcome public out.

Why should pious and often hypocritical Muslims impose their pseudo-morality on others?

Pakistan used to have bars, ballrooms and was a fun place to be at one time.

In the west, lottery revenue is used to provide for students and elderly.

Turkey has all of these things. Why can't Pakistan have anything fun?

Because we are a Muslim state which is for Muslims. Little devolved hypocrites like you who carry the audacity to call themsleves Muslims and defile the very sanctity attached with the name can piss off to wherever you can find that filth.
Do not try to associate my land with this bullshit. The assholes who do so do on their own behalf and they will suffer an befitting end to their affairs.

We are one of the very few societies that carry a family system that is still functional unlike the find a bitch on street and sleep and change after a few days crap over there which you have grown fond off.

And this is not fun, this is filth which little disgusting souls like you throw yourself into to escape the sad reality of your being while forgetting you are going to die and face punishment for every single mis doing of yours.

Pakistan is a muslim country. It might be packed to the rafters with harami, but we shouldn't be promoting haram. As for fun - if these are the only fun things for you, i feel for you.

You can't feel sorry enough for the lost souls. They eat and live filth and are deluded enough to call it enjoyment.


And what is the life of this world except the enjoyment of delusion. (3:185 Holy Quran)

091:007-10
"And a soul and Him Who perfected / proportioned it. And inspired it (with conscience of) what is wrong for it and (what is) right for it. He is indeed successful who causes it to grow (purifies it), and he is indeed a failure who corrupts it (buries it)"



And there are little deluded animals amongst us who take pride in being too weak to lift themsleves out of the misery of the filth they have covered themselves with.

 

[SkyWolf]

Because we are a Muslim state which is for Muslims. Little devolved hypocrites like you who carry the audacity to call themsleves Muslims and defile the very sanctity attached with the name can piss off to wherever you can find that filth.
Do not try to associate my land with this bullshit. The assholes who do so do on their own behalf and they will suffer an befitting end to their affairs.

We are one of the very few societies that carry a family system that is still functional unlike the find a bitch on street and sleep and change after a few days crap over there which you have grown fond off.

And this is not fun, this is filth which little disgusting souls like you throw yourself into to escape the sad reality of your being while forgetting you are going to die and face punishment for every single mis doing of yours.




You can't feel sorry enough for the lost souls. They eat and live filth and are deluded enough to call it enjoyment.


And what is the life of this world except the enjoyment of delusion. (3:185 Holy Quran)

091:007-10
"And a soul and Him Who perfected / proportioned it. And inspired it (with conscience of) what is wrong for it and (what is) right for it. He is indeed successful who causes it to grow (purifies it), and he is indeed a failure who corrupts it (buries it)"



And there are little deluded animals amongst us who take pride in being too weak to lift themsleves out of the misery of the filth they have covered themselves with.

Calm down keyboard-saladdin. This is a critical thinking and argumentative reasoning exercise.

Also - some interpretations of Islam forbids images. Get off your computer and tv. And also stop listening to music.

Guys like u have no qualms about p@rn and bollywood item numbers but will murder someone over a beer.

 

[Longhorn]

Because we are a Muslim state which is for Muslims. Little devolved hypocrites like you who carry the audacity to call themsleves Muslims and defile the very sanctity attached with the name can piss off to wherever you can find that filth.
Do not try to associate my land with this bullshit. The assholes who do so do on their own behalf and they will suffer an befitting end to their affairs.

We are one of the very few societies that carry a family system that is still functional unlike the find a bitch on street and sleep and change after a few days crap over there which you have grown fond off.

And this is not fun, this is filth which little disgusting souls like you throw yourself into to escape the sad reality of your being while forgetting you are going to die and face punishment for every single mis doing of yours.

I'm sorry but what you have just portrayed is an idealised version of Pakistan, it's not the reality.
It's like an Indian portraying India as a first world superpower. It's what he would like it to be, it's not the reality.
Either you go round with your eyes closed or you are ignoring the evidence of your own eyes.
The other thing is that you are branding people who advocate a regulation of these underground activities as somehow defending their own vices, not necessarily true.
Some people have the ability to stand back, see the bigger picture and understand the problems in a society and try to find solutions regardless of what their own personal preferences might be.
Despite your rosy picture, Pakistan is riddled with societal problems that require solutions, and fast. The only solution that is acceptable for most people is to ban that particular activity. Although it's well meaning, it doesn't work. It doesn't work because all you are doing is taking away the supply without reducing the demand. In other words you are creating a vacuum, which will be filled whether you like it or not, and it will be filled by corrupt mafias, protected by corrupt police, protected by corrupt politicians and on it goes. Far from cleaning society by your well meaning ban you have created a layer of corruption which will affect the daily lives of every citizen whereas legal alcohol and prostitution only affects those who want to participate anyway.
The Americans tried to ban alcohol, they succeeded in creating and empowering the Mafia. We have done the exact same thing, the only difference is that they realised what they had done and reversed it because it was damaging society, we seem to think it will just go away because we are Muslims. It won't.

 

[Rusty]

Thats western definition of state and religion not ours. In our religion it is responsibility of state to define and implement moral principles in accordance with quran and hadith.

If u dont like it u r free to go anywhere but here majority is in favour of this setup.

The problem with this is, which islam?
Sunni? Shia?
Hanafi? Shafi?
Barelvi?
etc etc

The reason the western notion is the best (even for Muslims living there) is that the state doesn't even bother as all it will do is cause fights and problems.

State says "you live however you want, it's not our job to police you"

The great things about this is that the pious people are free to be pious

Here is Eid prayer in a public park in Toronto

and non pious people are free to be who they want to be.

What is wrong with that?

I have even heard so many Muslims say that it is easier to be Muslim in Canada then it is to be Muslim in Pakistan.

 

[Maxpane]

a very good topic to discuss but ruined by personal attacks . Not a single reason able argument to counter it just personal attack

 

[Nasr]

Oh bus ker yaar. I already get these long boring lectures at home.

You can "bus yaar" your way through life all you want, what you or anyone can't do is stop the truth or mute it. This is your life, Allah gave you this life as a test to prove whether you choose to walk on the path of Truth or would you choose Falsehood. He gave you a brain and with it, free will to act on your own. Every moment of every day of our lives we make decisions. This is the only possession we own. Not our lives, our wealth, our parents, our land, our health or our youth. Everything but our decisions perish. So choose wisely and let the Holy Quran and Sunnah be your guiding light in your decisions.

One last thing, no matter powerful evil looks, no matter how much it seduces you, no matter how lopsided the scales are between good and evil. Remember one thing, evil is based on falsehood and Truth shall always triumph over falsehood and Good shall always vanquish evil. Doesn't matter how many battles maybe won or lost, the final war Good will annihilate evil.

So make your choice and remember there are consequences for your decisions. And you will have to live with those consequences in this life and the next.

 

[The Accountant]

The problem with this is, which islam?
Sunni? Shia?
Hanafi? Shafi?
Barelvi?
etc etc

The reason the western notion is the best (even for Muslims living there) is that the state doesn't even bother as all it will do is cause fights and problems.

State says "you live however you want, it's not our job to police you"

The great things about this is that the pious people are free to be pious

Here is Eid prayer in a public park in Toronto

and non pious people are free to be who they want to be.

What is wrong with that?

I have even heard so many Muslims say that it is easier to be Muslim in Canada then it is to be Muslim in Pakistan.

There is only one Islam and that Islam as per Quran. Whatever difference we have in Quran are political or personal in nature.

Is there any difference of opinion in the social issues of drinking, sexual relationships, nudity, supporting the weak, zakat and interest?

People dividing us in sect is for political gain and it does not represent Islam and in any case this cannot be justification for disobeying Allah's direct commands about drinking, sex and interest. Does it?

Regarding Canada, yes 100s of people will of 100 different of opinion so how can you incorporate all of them in one society? I am sure there will be people in Canada claiming that practicing Islam in Canada is really difficult. So the best way is to follow the method which is acceptable to most of the people and in Pakistan most of the people dont want to send their kids to a school whose teachers drinks openly or visit bar. They even don't want to have friendship with people involving in such activities and that is why most of the people do these activities in secrets.

So from even democratic point of view Pakistan is doing the right thing by banning these things. If you dont agree, you can move from the conservative society which do not confirms to your ideologies but as long as most people follow this ideology other has to respect them and follow the will of majority.

 

[Rusty]

There is only one Islam and that Islam as per Quran. Whatever difference we have in Quran are political or personal in nature.

Is there any difference of opinion in the social issues of drinking, sexual relationships, nudity, supporting the weak, zakat and interest?

People dividing us in sect is for political gain and it does not represent Islam and in any case this cannot be justification for disobeying Allah's direct commands about drinking, sex and interest. Does it?

Regarding Canada, yes 100s of people will of 100 different of opinion so how can you incorporate all of them in one society? I am sure there will be people in Canada claiming that practicing Islam in Canada is really difficult. So the best way is to follow the method which is acceptable to most of the people and in Pakistan most of the people dont want to send their kids to a school whose teachers drinks openly or visit bar. They even don't want to have friendship with people involving in such activities and that is why most of the people do these activities in secrets.

So from even democratic point of view Pakistan is doing the right thing by banning these things. If you dont agree, you can move from the conservative society which do not confirms to your ideologies but as long as most people follow this ideology other has to respect them and follow the will of majority.

You are factually wrong

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches

Let's just do a thought experiment.
In the Hanafi school, shellfish such as crabs and prawns are Haram.
In others, such as Shafi, they are halal.

Now is it the job of the government to make crabs illegal?

But what about Shafi Muslims?
They consider it halal?

And that's just between Sunni Muslims, now add shia, Ismailia, etc

You will waste billions of dollars in this futile and pointless pursuit.

Money and effort that could be used for betterment of people's lives.

Let people follow what they want and let government do its job of bettering people's lives.

 

[War Thunder]

Calm down keyboard-saladdin. This is a critical thinking and argumentative reasoning exercise.

Also - some interpretations of Islam forbids images. Get off your computer and tv. And also stop listening to music.

Guys like u have no qualms about p@rn and bollywood item numbers but will murder someone over a beer.

There is critical thinking involved about wanting to provide free access to filth in our society? Do you find a tiny bit of intellect or logic in your original argument or post?

As for your some interpretations of Islam, you can keep those with your own shit, I know what I am supposed to do being a Muslim.
And do not try to project your own sad and sorry state of being onto me when referring to music, **** and filth.
Just because your brain lacks the power to function above the gutter, that doesn't mean you can associate random shit with me.

 

[graphican]

Many Pakistanis drink, dance and gamble often at underground parties. Why can't we have bars, nightclubs, lotteries, sportsbetting and casinos and tax the shit out of them for the national exchequer?

Why do we have this facade where everyone is wonderfully Muslim? In Defence, private parties are protected by the Police to keep unwelcome public out.

Why should pious and often hypocritical Muslims impose their pseudo-morality on others?

Pakistan used to have bars, ballrooms and was a fun place to be at one time.

In the west, lottery revenue is used to provide for students and elderly.

Turkey has all of these things. Why can't Pakistan have anything fun?

Let's begin by asking a fundamental question to ourselves;
"What is the ideal life that a human should live on the planet? A life which doesn't deprive anyone of their right and that gives you everything you need to grow, sustain and evolve as a human being."

When you are able to define "an ideal you" and ask yourself what you need to become that, you may surprise yourself that 98% of things you thought you needed or wanted are actually irrelevant and unnecessary. Now ask yourself, what will you end up getting by opening or going to bars, clubs, and lotteries? What good things will you earn for yourself or anyone in society because you spent life and financial resources on the above activities?

Now your question: when a few are doing it anyway... why should those activities not be streamlined so everyone does them and pay tax on them to support National income? In every society, regardless of their ethics, education or standards, some 2-5% will be radical and non-complying, but that 2-5% divergent do not become your principle-setters. In Paksitan society, we know some people are involved in corruption and abuse of power - but you cannot make corruption or abuse of power legal because a few percents of people are doing it anyway.

In the West (that you are using as an example and where much of what you are asking for is available openly), the government is running programs that help people quit drinking and gambling as these activities are social problems. So even if your source of inspiration is the west, know they are trying to keep these problems in control and despite drinking and gambling available to everyone, the government runs campaigns to help people avoid them.

Do not let hypocrites and law-breakers to become your role model or your reasons to think and decide. They do not believe in what they say they do - and that is why we all call them hypocrites and fake, so why should their fakeness and disobedience become our benchmark to decide what we should do in our life? If they are doing something wrong, we should try to correct them instead of taking their disobedience as an offense and then willfully and in anger, do more of what they are doing.