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BARKING OR BITING? Trump’s Tweet About Pakistan as a Terrorist Haven Was Right...

It is always a long process USSR took time so will USA. We have all the time in the world.



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'The Soviet Union fell, the American empire will fall too' – Ron Paul

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Look at the composition of the ex-USSR vs the US one.. this alone makes it a very difficult if not impossible task.. look at the US economy despite what we read and hear in the media.. there is a $700 billion military budget.. it is almost the opposite of the ex USSR who was poor and getting weak by the day on its own.. all it needed was a little push to sink deep into oblivion..So it will certainly take a very long time and even extraordinary events to topple the US.. and time is also on its side, since it will not stop advancing and trying to keep its lead position..Pakistan should only concentrate on its economy to get stronger so it can deter any actions from the US in particular.. luckily there is China on its side.. but still..

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Are we prepared for this? These two below.

The most extreme step the administration can take is to label Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism, like Iran.

An alternative approach is to rely primarily on unilateral actions by our own security services
The US is dangerous for its allies..let alone its foes..But Pakistan in particular will be a tough issue for the US to deal with.. due mostly to its alliances with a super power, namely China and other influential nations.. let's hope the US won't go as far as declaring Pakistan a foe.. It is not in the interest of either party..
Pakistan's position is based on principles, national security and independence of policies..while the US position is based on someone else's "interests", namely Afghanistan.. on a war it shouldn't have started in the first place and on political and economic greed in the region to counter China's advance.. So one has legitimate reasons while the other has hegemony ones..
 
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This seems like the most threatening option. What options Pakistan have if US restarts its drone war and extends it into urban Areas. As the article suggests the so called "targets" are in Quetta and Karachi. Chief of air staff did order to shoot down intruding aircraft. Do we have sophisticated air defense systems like s-400?

The drones can be shot down using our Jet Trainer platforms with cannon fire. And then their technology can be reverse engineered just like Iran did with the stealth US drone that it hijacked and landed at its airbase.
 
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The drones can be shot down using our Jet Trainer platforms with cannon fire. And then their technology can be reverse engineered just like Iran did with the stealth US drone that it hijacked and landed at its airbase.

I hope things never come to that. My another fear is of US strikes on our nuke arsenal right at time or during war with India
 
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Are we prepared for this? These two below.

The most extreme step the administration can take is to label Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism, like Iran.
USA will not do that as it needs Pakistan at all levels to continue its presence in Afghanistan and Its not just about the supply lines. Militarily as well as intelligence sharing of US forces is connected with Pakistan through US central Command. There have been intelligence based operations which have bore fruits in the past for US. Past experience of Pakistan forces in the region as well as ISI's connections with locals is vital for US also.

whats more dangerous to Pakistan? A tweet or a full operation?
OBL raid was orchestrated to bring Pakistan into hot boiling water and brand it forever as a terrorist nation. After all, world's most wanted man was found and killed in an Army cantonment and just a few km away from PMA Kakul. The Pakistani leadership trusted the US leadership but was back stabbed. There are many theories behind it and every year new facts will come out. The important point is that leadership has changed now and outcome of every incident will be very different.

ISAF forces themselves control only a small portion of Afghanistan and that also around their bases which have been turned into heavily militarised fortresses. There is a vast piece of land in Afghanistan which is not under control of US/ISAF or Current Afghanistan Government. Such areas are used for militancy and buildup of militants who don't want to live under US/ISAF occupation neither accept Afghanistan Government. In such a case, no person in sane mind should think that pakistan's soil is being used for attacks in Afghanistan on US forces. Also, US drone attacks have taken place inside Pakistan's territory, so how would a militant think that he could be ever safe in Pakistan after crossing the border from Afghanistan. Somethings just don't add up even when you push it down the throat.

Pakistan started building up the wall to prevent attacks in its soil and for CPEC routes safety, which further frustrated the US as well as Afghan Government. Had Pakistan not been serious about cross border movement. the wall idea wouldn't have been born in the first place. This is a very solid step that Pakistan took to show its commitment towards curbing cross border movement. This wall is not just a decoration piece on the border, it will be manned with lethal force 24/7 which is why there are small fortresses being build up at varying distances from each other.

Capture of Yadav is an important milestone for Pakistan and he is being kept alive for some reason. His terrorising activities in Baluchistan and other parts of Pakistan is a proof that when labelling occurs, Pakistan cannot be the only one labelled as a terrorist nation.

After the demise of Libya, Egypt etc, three muslim countries have survived similar onslaught.
1. Syria, with Russian assistance and iran's.
2. Turkey, its leadership is strong.
3. Pakistan, due to Raheel shareef's leadership, its military and nuclear safety measures and other factors.

Iran and North Korea are still surviving even after decades of isolation and sanctions.
An alternative approach is to rely primarily on unilateral actions by our own security services
OBL raid didn't bring out the response that US expected, neither did the drone strikes. The frustration resulted in Salala attack. can another such attack be expected? yes and no. But primarily no because like i said before, the leadership (civilian and Military) has changed. The atmosphere has changed. The Pakistan's Government response to US harsh words and notices has become stern over time. Pakistan has got closer with Turkey and Russia. CPEC has made pakistan and China come closer as never before in history. Even PAF has let go of its favourite toy, F-16, over a strife of a few million dollars due to FMF hiccup.

Can the drone attacks be expected? yes. Will drone attacks save USA from the quagmire of Afghanistan? NO.
It now depends upon current Pakistani Government as to what frequency of drone attacks will they accept and digest. Will they counter the drones? Stealthy Drones can be brought down, if not by IR guided SAM then by laser guided SAM like RBS-70 in good weather conditions at least.

Afghanistan may see more turmoil and blood shed since few entities from Syria are pouring into Afghanistan, like ISIS, some 10,000 fighters. Russia is an anti-ISIS regime and has hunted them in the past in Syria. It would be a good time to ask Russia to step into the limelight again for assistance with Afghanistan. CPEC is important to China and the stability in Baluchistan has become utmost important to Pakistan after FATA ops.

At some stage, when the international community (China and maybe Russia and then others like Gulf countries) starts to step in, where their own interests in regards to Pakistan (e.g. CPEC for china, military relations for KSA/UAE) and the region's stability gets endangered, USA will need more diplomatic measures and policy shaping.

@Mentee @tps77
 
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We have some corrupt politicians who are in bed with Trump government. They are trying to get a NRO to protect their stolen money and they will do whatever it takes to destabilize Pakistan to get that.
 
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USA will not do that as it needs Pakistan at all levels to continue its presence in Afghanistan and Its not just about the supply lines. Militarily as well as intelligence sharing of US forces is connected with Pakistan through US central Command. There have been intelligence based operations which have bore fruits in the past for US. Past experience of Pakistan forces in the region as well as ISI's connections with locals is vital for US also.

whats more dangerous to Pakistan? A tweet or a full operation?
OBL raid was orchestrated to bring Pakistan into hot boiling water and brand it forever as a terrorist nation. After all, world's most wanted man was found and killed in an Army cantonment and just a few km away from PMA Kakul. The Pakistani leadership trusted the US leadership but was back stabbed. There are many theories behind it and every year new facts will come out. The important point is that leadership has changed now and outcome of every incident will be very different.

ISAF forces themselves control only a small portion of Afghanistan and that also around their bases which have been turned into heavily militarised fortresses. There is a vast piece of land in Afghanistan which is not under control of US/ISAF or Current Afghanistan Government. Such areas are used for militancy and buildup of militants who don't want to live under US/ISAF occupation neither accept Afghanistan Government. In such a case, no person in sane mind should think that pakistan's soil is being used for attacks in Afghanistan on US forces. Also, US drone attacks have taken place inside Pakistan's territory, so how would a militant think that he could be ever safe in Pakistan after crossing the border from Afghanistan. Somethings just don't add up even when you push it down the throat.

Pakistan started building up the wall to prevent attacks in its soil and for CPEC routes safety, which further frustrated the US as well as Afghan Government. Had Pakistan not been serious about cross border movement. the wall idea wouldn't have been born in the first place. This is a very solid step that Pakistan took to show its commitment towards curbing cross border movement. This wall is not just a decoration piece on the border, it will be manned with lethal force 24/7 which is why there are small fortresses being build up at varying distances from each other.

Capture of Yadav is an important milestone for Pakistan and he is being kept alive for some reason. His terrorising activities in Baluchistan and other parts of Pakistan is a proof that when labelling occurs, Pakistan cannot be the only one labelled as a terrorist nation.

After the demise of Libya, Egypt etc, three muslim countries have survived similar onslaught.
1. Syria, with Russian assistance and iran's.
2. Turkey, its leadership is strong.
3. Pakistan, due to Raheel shareef's leadership, its military and nuclear safety measures and other factors.

Iran and North Korea are still surviving even after decades of isolation and sanctions.

OBL raid didn't bring out the response that US expected, neither did the drone strikes. The frustration resulted in Salala attack. can another such attack be expected? yes and no. But primarily no because like i said before, the leadership (civilian and Military) has changed. The atmosphere has changed. The Pakistan's Government response to US harsh words and notices has become stern over time. Pakistan has got closer with Turkey and Russia. CPEC has made pakistan and China come closer as never before in history. Even PAF has let go of its favourite toy, F-16, over a strife of a few million dollars due to FMF hiccup.

Can the drone attacks be expected? yes. Will drone attacks save USA from the quagmire of Afghanistan? NO.
It now depends upon current Pakistani Government as to what frequency of drone attacks will they accept and digest. Will they counter the drones? Stealthy Drones can be brought down, if not by IR guided SAM then by laser guided SAM like RBS-70 in good weather conditions at least.

Afghanistan may see more turmoil and blood shed since few entities from Syria are pouring into Afghanistan, like ISIS, some 10,000 fighters. Russia is an anti-ISIS regime and has hunted them in the past in Syria. It would be a good time to ask Russia to step into the limelight again for assistance with Afghanistan. CPEC is important to China and the stability in Baluchistan has become utmost important to Pakistan after FATA ops.

At some stage, when the international community (China and maybe Russia and then others like Gulf countries) starts to step in, where their own interests in regards to Pakistan (e.g. CPEC for china, military relations for KSA/UAE) and the region's stability gets endangered, USA will need more diplomatic measures and policy shaping.

@Mentee @tps77

In nutshell...hope for best Prepare for worst...worst of the worst...

Thank you for such detailed post.
 
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Shame our stupid civ gov didn't have the strategic foresight to leverage our past gains in CT to project our narrative on an international stage.
Why not Sir,shame the Person and Military Junta that brought them along with Anti-Pak NA,India,x-khaad personal and PDPA Army officers back into kabul,right under our soft belly.

3. Pakistan, due to Raheel shareef's leadership, its military and nuclear safety measures and other factors.
Khuda da khoof kar yaar.

F-22 are flying from Afghanistan.
 
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A more substantial approach would involve exploiting the president’s strong relationships with Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Both host large émigré Pakistani worker populations ,


This is actually true. Our diaspora in ME is not something to be proud of, they can easily become our liability.

Pakistan must now focus on industrialization on urgent basis so we can bring back home our work force with jobs available at home.

Now is the good time to point out the vulnerabilities and work on them, it is actually quite easy, when enemy nations through their media and writings are already telling us what they are.
 
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Look at the composition of the ex-USSR vs the US one.. this alone makes it a very difficult if not impossible task.. look at the US economy despite what we read and hear in the media.. there is a $700 billion military budget.. it is almost the opposite of the ex USSR who was poor and getting weak by the day on its own.. all it needed was a little push to sink deep into oblivion..So it will certainly take a very long time and even extraordinary events to topple the US.. and time is also on its side, since it will not stop advancing and trying to keep its lead position..Pakistan should only concentrate on its economy to get stronger so it can deter any actions from the US in particular.. luckily there is China on its side.. but still..


The US is dangerous for its allies..let alone its foes..But Pakistan in particular will be a tough issue for the US to deal with.. due mostly to its alliances with a super power, namely China and other influential nations.. let's hope the US won't go as far as declaring Pakistan a foe.. It is not in the interest of either party..
Pakistan's position is based on principles, national security and independence of policies..while the US position is based on someone else's "interests", namely Afghanistan.. on a war it shouldn't have started in the first place and on political and economic greed in the region to counter China's advance.. So one has legitimate reasons while the other has hegemony ones..

US has a lots of advantages compares to the USSR .Their economy is still growing exponentially .

US is just another level,Pakistan should find some way to prevent further escalation.
It is good to say that we have China,Russia,Turkey etc .
But all of them are in just lip service .
Noone can act decisively like US .
Perhaps Russia can do something but they are not strong enough.
US is too strong .Plain and simple .
Bringing Russia or China will only aggravate issues .
They cant help Pakistan .
 
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US has a lots of advantages compares to the USSR .Their economy is still growing exponentially .

US is just another level,Pakistan should find some way to prevent further escalation.
It is good to say that we have China,Russia,Turkey etc .
But all of them are in just lip service .
Noone can act decisively like US .
Perhaps Russia can do something but they are not strong enough.
US is too strong .Plain and simple .
Bringing Russia or China will only aggravate issues .
They cant help Pakistan .
Still..Pakistan is no easy pray either..That is why I said it should just concentrate on its economy and the well-being of its citizens.. China can help in that for sure.. Militarily deterrence speaking..Pakistan can field ICBMs just like NK..
 
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They cant help Pakistan .

Russia annex Crimea , Push back the resistance in Syria and Asshead is still in power which American really want to see removed .. Chinese Stand with Iran , China is contesting Americans in South China Sea, NK still not a waste Land , and you are talking about They cant Help Pakistan ? :suicide::suicide2:
 
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Still..Pakistan is no easy pray either..That is why I said it should just concentrate on its economy and the well-being of its citizens.. China can help in that for sure.. Militarily deterrence speaking..Pakistan can field ICBMs just like NK..

Yup .
But question is whether Pakistan can become like NK?

Russia annex Crimea , Push back the resistance in Syria and Asshead is still in power which American really want to see removed .. Chinese Stand with Iran , China is contesting Americans in South China Sea, NK still not a waste Land , and you are talking about They cant Help Pakistan ? :suicide::suicide2:

Russia annex nearby Crimea as one of their own.
Where is Syria .?
There is nothing in Syria and Russians ,US went home .For Russians it was base.
Oh China .
We have already seen that during Kargil heights
 
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worst yet they will try to hit Pakistan with its own closest Arab allies.. something that won't work for them either..
This was very foresight-ful of you. In a talk recently about "US leverage in South Asia", this point was made that even if US doesn't enjoy much leverage over Pakistan itself it does have leverage over friends of Pakistan which can be used to coerce Pakistan.

Pakistan Iran China Russia all shifting to Yuan. They are also integrating Banking system with each other. Iran and Russia are going to act as energy providers China as tech hub and Pakistan as logistics. If sanctions are imposed they 4 countries can support each others economy and be self sufficient. Now we can fight cold war 2.0.
Good foresight @BHarwana. I had this thought after FATF. It may turn out to be true if US continues with its "coercive" approach in pursuit of changing Pakistan's strategic calculation - they may actually think about sanctions.

I think it really is about economics. The greater economic influence India has in Afghanistan and Central Asia the more political influence it will have there. And Pakistan's strategy it seems to be is to block Indian economic ingress and-or counter it with Chinese economic ingress in Af-CAR region. It seems we are already set as far as countering future ambitions of India in that region with OBOR?
 
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You don't have to post such a lengthy article my friend we all know Trump is all Bark and no Bite
You got this wrong; Trump administration is unpredictable.

@The SC

Pakistani are over-reactionary and emotional on average. In talks, they will disintegrate any foe. However, smarter ones stay quiet and draw contingency plans for steering Pakistan through a period of crises.

Pakistan is not in the position to contend with the US on equal footing therefore Pakistan has to excercise utmost precaution and constraint in its dealings with Washington. Some members here forget that if we have options, so do they (and more so then us). In-fact, the article in question here is very informative.

Pakistan's newfound confidence rest upon its history of sacrifices in its war against terrorism since 2001 and CPEC which has the potential to transform Pakistan into an investment hub, and granted China a shortcut to warm waters. Its military muscle is irrelevant as in does not intimidate US.

Pakistan's strategic calculus is to keep India at bay through its military might and keep US at bay by leveraging its relations with China, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Very smart. :)
 
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