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BARKING OR BITING? Trump’s Tweet About Pakistan as a Terrorist Haven Was Right...

I think it really is about economics. The greater economic influence India has in Afghanistan and Central Asia the more political influence it will have there. And Pakistan's strategy it seems to be is to block Indian economic ingress and-or counter it with Chinese economic ingress in Af-CAR region. It seems we are already set as far as countering future ambitions of India in that region with OBOR?
Chinese influence over the region was there. And when talking about CAR, you missed the elephant in the room. Russia, they are varied of the influence China is gaining over the CAR and that's the reason they have plans on their own. Such as INSTC. So, when talking about political influence there are so many players in the region, that includes Russia which some think is a better ally of China, is working hard to maintain it's influence over CAR. And there is the US. India is just scratching the surface and Pakistan is not even trying.
 
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I hope things never come to that. My another fear is of US strikes on our nuke arsenal right at time or during war with India
but can they hit all our nukes at the same time? even if we are left with 1 or 2 we can always launch right?
 
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but can they hit all our nukes at the same time? even if we are left with 1 or 2 we can always launch right?
Even a single nuke offers considerable dosage of anxiety in a situation when all bets are off. :)

Enemy be like - F*** clear the area. Explanations to public another headache.
 
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The article posted clearly highlights how desperate the US has become in Afghanistan. Of course the US has very limited options. LOL at using Saudi Arabia and UAE to put pressure on Pakistan. Pakistan cannot be pressured by these nations. We didn't join the war in Yemen. The Saudis and UAE expell thousands of workers on a monthly basis already.

The Americans are truly living in a different dimension. This Bruce Riedel cunt is smoking some good stuff LOL Pakistan has shown a big middle finger and the Yanks cannot get over it.
 
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Pakistan should recognize Israel and bring Europe to its fold with offers of investment and such. Best steps to soothe US.
 
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Yes, even a single nuke offers considerable dosage of anxiety in a situation when all bets are off. :)

Enemy be like - F*** clear the area. Explanations to public another headache.
so striking our nuclear assets is pointless...whats the worst case scenario how can they take our nukes from us?
 
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but can they hit all our nukes at the same time? even if we are left with 1 or 2 we can always launch right?

1 or 2 nukes are useless and not enough to blow India up....Pakistan should maintain her nukes in readiness and mobile position which is not the case right now.

The moment we track American missiles onto our nukes....We should launch nukes onto the targets. Getting our nukes wasted by US will be extreme humiliation for Pakistan
 
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BARKING OR BITING?
Trump’s Tweet About Pakistan as a Terrorist Haven Was Right. But What Will He Do About It?
Pakistan’s generals, who run the policy supporting terrorism, believe Trump is all bluster. And they may be correct, but there is much Washington can do if it is serious.
BRUCE RIEDEL - 01.03.18 4:06 PM ET


Earlier this week Donald Trump tweeted his two predecessors had spent $33 billion in aid attempting unsuccessfully to persuade Pakistan to change its policies protecting terrorists. “No more!” he vowed.

Trump’s proclamation on Twitter shouldn’t come as a surprise. His administration has accurately described Pakistan’s support for terrorism in general and the Afghan Taliban in particular.

But it has yet to lay out a strategy to deal with the issue.

Pakistan’s generals, who run the policy supporting terrorism, believe Trump is all bark and no bite. And so far they look to be right, but there is much Washington can do if it is serious.

For months the administration has spoken out clearly about the Pakistani army’s longstanding support for organizations like the Haqqani network in the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar e Tayyiba, focused on Kashmir and India.

The army and its intelligence service, the Inter Services Intelligence directorate (ISI), has trained, equipped, advised and directed the Afghan Taliban and LeT for decades. The ISI was deeply involved in Taliban attacks in Kabul and the LeT attack in Mumbai in 2008. It facilitates their fundraising in the Gulf states. It provides safe haven and sanctuary for the leadership of these groups. LeT leader Hafiz Saeed operates openly in Pakistan, routinely denouncing America, India, and Israel.

Trump officials have been explicit and unequivocal about all this, including in the roll out of their Afghanistan policy and the overall presentation of security strategy.

“We will press Pakistan to intensify its counterterrorism efforts, since no partnership can survive a country’s support for militants and terrorists who target a partner’s own service members and officials,” read the National Security Strategy document issued in December. “The United States will also encourage Pakistan to continue demonstrating that it is a responsible steward of its nuclear assets,” which no doubt are a complicating factor.

Vice President Mike Pence put Pakistan “on notice” about terrorism when he visited Afghanistan last month.

But most of the $33 billion in aid that Trump referred to, more than $25 billion, was provided before the SEAL raid that found and killed Osama bin Laden hiding in the army cantonment city of Abbottabad in 2011. Withholding money is not much of a penalty, the $250 million in the pipeline is an insignificant threat.

Meanwhile, the administration has done little to engage the Pakistanis. Trump snubbed the Pakistani leadership when he visited Saudi Arabia on his first foreign travel, even though the Saudis has brought the top political leadership to the Riyadh summit. Pence did not travel to Pakistan. Nor has the administration tried to rally our allies in NATO to press the Pakistanis about Afghanistan, which is their war, too.

The Pakistani establishment believe that Washington and especially the president is not seriously committed to the Afghan mission and will eventually disengage from America’s longest war, leaving Pakistan and the Afghan Taliban the winners. The President has already said his generals convinced him to ignore his own predilection to get out of Afghanistan immediately. If they fail to show significant progress this year, Trump may well go with his own gut.

There is much the administration can do to alter Pakistan’s assessment. Some steps would be mostly symbolic but important. Washington could remove Pakistan from the category of a major non-NATO ally which George W. Bush gave it, a designation that has nothing to do with NATO but does qualify the country for receiving certain military technologies. The administration could also recall our ambassador and not replace him.

A more substantial approach would involve exploiting the president’s strong relationships with Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Both host large émigré Pakistani worker populations and have been major aid donors to Pakistan’s economy. The former head of the Afghan Taliban, Mullah Mansour, was a frequent traveler to Dubai and Manama, Bahrain, to raise money for the group until he was killed in a drone strike in 2016 in Pakistan’s Baluchistan province.

The Trump team should press Mohammed bin Salman in Riyadh and Mohammed bin Zayed in Abu Dhabi, the powerful crown princes of their countries, to not only shut down the Taliban’s fund raising but to prosecute their funders even if they have royal connections. Both states have close ties to the ISI.

The Saudis and their gulf allies say they are committed to fighting terrorism. Washington should put the Afghan Taliban, which kills American soldiers, at the top of the list.


Moreover, the Saudis should use their considerable influence to cut the ISI aid to the Taliban. Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was just in Riyadh looking for Saudi help. He and his brother Shabaz, who also just visited the kingdom, are the two most important civilian politicians in their country. The generals are frequent visitors to Saudi Arabia as well.

The most extreme step the administration can take is to label Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism, like Iran. This would cut off all assistance and engagement with Pakistan. It would cut spare parts for the F16s in the Pakistan Air Force and other equipment provided since 2001. The United States would block multinational bank funding for Pakistan’s economy. It’s a draconian step but the evidence clearly qualifies for Pakistan’s designation.

George H.W. Bush considered the step in 1992 when I was the Pakistan desk officer in the White House. He wrote to then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif threatening designation. But both Bush and Sharif were out of power before the issue came to closure. It’s probably better used as a threat than actually implemented, but it’s in Trump’s tool bag.

An alternative approach is to rely primarily on unilateral actions by our own security services. President Barack Obama made the top priority of his administration’s AfPak policy the disruption, dismantling, and defeat of the al Qaeda core in Pakistan in 2009. The drone war was the means and it was pursued relentlessly despite Pakistan’s vocal objections. It was a success. Al Qaeda in Pakistan is a shell of what it was in 2009. Obama only used the drones sparingly against the Taliban, but they did get the group’s leader, Mullah Mansour, in 2016, in Pakistan.

The Taliban is a harder target than al Qaeda was because it often operates in major Pakistani cities like Quetta and Karachi, but it is vulnerable to disruption.

The virtue of the unilateral approach is it doesn’t rely on Pakistani cooperation, which is an unlikely outcome at best. It can also be used in conjunction with an engagement approach that acknowledges that Pakistan is a major victim of terrorism as well as a patron sponsor.

The administration, which has been debating policy for a year, does have options at its disposal.

A comprehensive approach that utilizes multiple tools – diplomatic, economic and covert – is best. Engagement with the elected leadership of Pakistan and also a reach out directly to the Pakistani people, the greatest victims of the ISI’s blowback, should be incorporated. China and India should be consulted.

The administration has diagnosed the problem, now it is facing the hard part. It won’t be easy. Pakistan is in the midst of a complex political meltdown, engineered by the army and others. New elections will come this year. But the need for urgency is also real, especially for our troops in Afghanistan. Congress should press for more than a tweet.




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BRUCE RIEDEL

Bruce Riedel is the Director of the Intelligence Project at the Brookings Institution. His new book,
Kings and Presidents: Saudi Arabia and the United States Since FDR
, will be published this fall.
If the dog comes in to bite and end up losing its tail, it's better not rushing to bite. Trump is smarter than this type of idiot writers.

It seems the idiot Trump is just repeating what the Chairman of the Iranian Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Alaeddin Boroujerdi said about Pakistan a few months ago...

Pakistan has become a safe heaven of terrorists: Iranian MP

That's interesting!

anyway, this over-reacting Bruce Riedel and his overrated institution Brookings have been getting funds from Qatar lately so that he writes some misleading BS here and there... never take this clown seriously
True. That's why all these terrorists like Indian Naval Commander a.k.a. the monkey got attracted to Pakistan. Same applies to the terrorists of blackwater who were running around in Pakistan like street dogs.
 
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1 or 2 nukes are useless and not enough to blow India up....Pakistan should maintain her nukes in readiness and mobile position which is not the case right now.

The moment we track American missiles onto our nukes....We should launch nukes onto the targets. Getting our nukes wasted by US will be extreme humiliation for Pakistan
1 or 2 nukes are useless and not enough to blow India up....Pakistan should maintain her nukes in readiness and mobile position which is not the case right now.

The moment we track American missiles onto our nukes....We should launch nukes onto the targets. Getting our nukes wasted by US will be extreme humiliation for Pakistan

one or two nukes on major cities and india will be destroyed but i hope that time never comes!

and one on israhell would be amazing too! can our nuke reach israel?
 
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so striking our nuclear assets is pointless...whats the worst case scenario how can they take our nukes from us?
Bro,

You can expect a combination of strikes and commando raids in the cover of darkness just like in Operation Neptune Spear but on a much larger scale. You can also expect them to disable our radar installations beforehand and blanket Pakistani aerospace with all forms of jamming to disrupt communications. Operation would be incredibly sophisticated.

However, I don't think US will go down this route because there is no justification for it and all the bluster against Pakistan is due to situation in Afghanistan. US will not destroy Pakistan for its ends in Afghanistan.

I shall also point out that US is not the enemy - just a bully. Once US exit from Afghanistan - its bluster will come down to a screeching halt.

Pakistan's current response to US is: NEVERMIND :lol:
 
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These people never take any responsibility for their own f#ck ups. But know how to make excuses.

Bro,

You can expect a combination of strikes and commando raids in the cover of darkness just like in Operation Neptune Spear but on a much larger scale. You can expect them to disable our radar installations beforehand and blanket Pakistani aerospace with all forms of jamming to disrupt communications. Operation would be incredibly sophisticated.

However, I don't think US will go down this route because there is no justification for it and all the bluster against Pakistan is due to situation in Afghanistan. US will not destroy Pakistan for its ends in Afghanistan.

I shall also point out that US is not the enemy - just a bully. Once US exit from Afghanistan - its bluster will come down to a screeching halt.

Pakistan's current response to US is: NEVERMIND :lol:

I pray you get your wish!
 
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I pray you get your wish!
Why would I wish for that? Just because I highlighted the [expected] nature of their operation, doesn't imply that I want it to happen.

If I am talking about the depth of a well, doesn't imply that I want to jump into one.
 
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Why would I wish for that?

Just because I highlighted the [expected] nature of their operation, doesn't imply that I want it to happen. If I am talking about the depth of a well, doesn't imply that I want to jump into one.

Your devout admiration for them we all know it. Heck I want to see them carry it out the trash talk be it verbal print or electronic is now close to being 2 decades old.
 
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We are called extremists but I just keep wondering how many extremists America has. I know Bruse Reidel is one. Mike Pompeo, the incoming Secretary of State is another. The incoming National Security Advisor John Bolton is a Christian mullah.

Our extremists have nothing but bluster. These American extremists have political and military power in their hands.
 
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Your devout admiration for them we all know it. Heck I want to see them carry it out the trash talk be it verbal print or electronic is now close to being 2 decades old.
Bro,

My admiration stem from appreciation of their [positive] contributions to the world, and their technological milestones in general. We use their tools to improve our lives, like this or not.

It does not hurts to admit inferiority and adopt a humble attitude. Allah Almighty dislikes "pride." If I am not in the position to fight off a lion; I will not take my chances.

War is a terrible thing. Easy for us to comment on developments in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and vice versa, and boast about victory or defeat of stakeholders involved from a safe distance - but ask those who found themselves on the receiving end of aggression.

Does it surprise you that US has a 'contingency plan' for Pakistan? They have a 'contingency plan' for any country in the world which is on their "radar." We need to take a chill pill and work for the betterment of all in the region and/or even the world at large.

If God wills, Pakistan will last till Qiyamah. If not, then we did something wrong and paid its price.
 
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