Banned Kashmiri militant outfits re-emerging in Pakistan

[Vinod2070]

Democracy has a funny way doesnt it? Are you saying Indians only sympathize for the minority Pundits, while the majority Kashmiri Muslim population has to live suppressed?

Not supporting violence, but supporting 700 000 of your troops to police the Muslim majority state is an oxymoron.

I said full protection to all Kashmiris (of all religions). It is you who only talked of Muslims while conveniently ignoring the plight of Kashmiri pandits who were told to leave the valley from mosque loudspaeakers leaving their womenfolk behind!

These troops are there to protect the Kashmiris from terrorists coming from a foreign country (even this thread talks about where the recruitment is taking place, doesn't it? And I have read about these foreign terrorists not trusting local Kashmiris whom they supposedly want to liberate). Even the ever ungrateful Hurriat ******** like Gilani (who is only alive because Indian doctors saved him) are protected by Indian soldiers from the foreign terrorists.

Once the violence stops there will be no need for any troops. And any unintentional human right activities will stop too.

But it seems, the supposed himayatis of Kashmiris don't want peace to return and people to live in peace.

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

This is inaccurate even according to your own sources. The whole world knows that what ever it is, most of it is domestic. Dont be so naive...

Blah blah and more blah, Kashmiri insurgency completely depends on Pakistani support , once withdrawn it shall fall like a deck of cards, then why the heck insurgency stop during negotiations between GOI AND GOP when you dont depend on them. Prove me other wise

 

[Flintlock]

With Mushy gone, Pakistan is again turning into terror heaven. Sad, very sad.

As I said earlier, don't play with fire. It might burn you.

 

[Vinod2070]

The world has changed now and there is no appetite for terror worldwide.

Pakistan having burned it's fingers badly, can't really go the whole hog on terror like earlier. There will be a terrible price to pay.

 

[UnitedPak]

you guys seem seriously frustrated. Is that upon realising that Pakistan will never give up on Kashmir, even if you decide to cram another half a million troops in there?
Go on though, miss the whole point of this argument and steep down to more insults on Pakistan and its politicians. I love to see desperation.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

Blah blah and more blah, Kashmiri insurgency completely depends on Pakistani support , once withdrawn it shall fall like a deck of cards, then why the heck insurgency stop during negotiations between GOI AND GOP when you dont depend on them. Prove me other wise

Support was withdrawn, temporarily that is. Yet, that didn't stop kashmiri's from organizing more manpower did it? It's in the process of re-emerging from a dormant state.

Keep in mind, there are many more muslims besides pakistani's who support the kashmiri freedom struggle. We know that afghani's, or should I say Mujahideen, gave you quite a shocker in Kargil. I'm sure they are willing to do it again.

Not to mention, the vast influx of foreign arab fighters who are just itching to draw your blood. Other than that, you can drop the username. It does not accurately define your motives on this board. Anyone here can tell you came straight from bharat-rakshak.

 

[Vinod2070]

Good Assad, at least you are honest enough to confess that it is an international Islamic issue and not a question of Kashmiri aspirations at all!

A good start I will say.

And the hiding that the so called "Mujahiddin" have received in India, they did not get it anywhere else.

 

[Goodperson]

Concept of militant outfit is wrong.

They should join the Pakistan army and go on covert missions into Kashmir.

I just can't imagine militants not doing things wrong once or twice. They have no fear of court martials.

I can't imagine them knowing good hand to hand combat like the army is trained for.

Heck probably the only criteria needed to join them is "I want to kill Indians!!!"

Missions are not accomplished like this. Sure we can drag this thing for eternity, but you have to ask yourself are we winning? I know India is spending millions onto Kashmir but still its not yet upto the amount where India can't afford it.

I'm not against fighting it out with India when it comes to taking Kashmir. But we need to do things that work.

Out of all the groups mentioned above, I think only Hizb has had some decent success rates, but nothing like what we need.

Why would Pakistan army need jihadis if they want to send covert missions to you know where? I guess army guys were send but Pakistan claimed they were jihadis till Nawaz spilled the beans.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

The world has changed now and there is no appetite for terror worldwide.
Pakistan having burned it's fingers badly, can't really go the whole hog on terror like earlier. There will be a terrible price to pay.

Vinod, some leaders have openly claimed that " a nation's terrorists can be another nation's freedom fighters." I think the world is starting to see through this WoT deception.

Besides, no matter how much pakistan has tried to improve its image, it just doesn't look any better. foreigners still have the same opinion of pakistan as before. I'm guessing the pak strategists have no choice but to support these struggles.

 

[Vinod2070]

you guys seem seriously frustrated. Is that upon realising that Pakistan will never give up on Kashmir, even if you decide to cram another half a million troops in there?
Go on though, miss the whole point of this argument and steep down to more insults on Pakistan and its politicians. I love to see desperation.

Frustration is when you support something which has clearly failed for 2 decades and more. What new can the terrorists do now that they could not earlier when the world climate was not so anti-terror?

Your military generals and political leaders have recognized this. Only internet warriors are itching for more blood to be spilled (of course as long as it is someone else's).

 

[Spring Onion]

Why shoul he know about the plight of Kashmiris , of course he would have better things to do instead of planning the next jihad. .

How do you know that ??? are you his Personal secretary ?

Utter BS, Kashmiri struggle completely depends on Pakistani fighters, finance and support, you have had a habit of sacrificing them for your cause.

Oh ho ho as you are forgotting the Terrorism India is funding and supporting in Balochistan and Nepal and Sri Lanka just for fulfilling own agenda.


AS far as Indian Held Kashmir is concerned everyone knows the brutalities your sick army is committing in the Indian Held Kashmir.

The fake killings of innocent Kashmiris at hand of Indian Brutal Army Soldiers have become a normal thing.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

Good Assad, at least you are honest enough to confess that it is an international Islamic issue and not a question of Kashmiri aspirations at all!

A good start I will say.

And the hiding that the so called "Mujahiddin" have received in India, they did not get it anywhere else.

Vinod, I'm honest, but I will say this much that kashmiri muslims do not want indian rule.

India COULD have had a chance to appease kashmiri's. they could have offered a lot more to the people and somehow have managed to convince the people that india would have been better for them.

Yet, it is the irresponsibility of your soldiers and psychological warfare that lost the support of the kashmiri people. Soldiers literally, walk in and take girls away for raping. So many people have dissappeared and are probably dead now, as the mass grave suggests.

Besides that, most of the indian public approve of holding on to kashmir while the pakistani public would rather let go for the sake of kashmiri's. this shows the kashmiri's, exactly who has the wrong views on their future.

Unlike the pak army in balochistan, where we are focusing on pleasing the balochi people with relief. it will take a while, but the baloch are looking more for autonomy rather than independence.

 

[Vinod2070]

Vinod, some leaders have openly claimed that " a nation's terrorists can be another nation's freedom fighters." I think the world is starting to see through this WoT deception.

Besides, no matter how much pakistan has tried to improve its image, it just doesn't look any better. foreigners still have the same opinion of pakistan as before. I'm guessing the pak strategists have no choice but to support these struggles.

I think the opposite is true. The world is no longer taken in by terror whatever the supposed cause!

Pakistan has to stop this not for it's image but just for it's mere survival. You will not be doing anyone any favor by doing this. The terrorists have begun biting the hand that fed them for so long, and the bite is bad.

The Frankestine's monster of terror first claims it's own creators. It has become clear as day now. If some people still don't want to see the reality, God help them.

 

[Spring Onion]

Frustration is when you support something which has cleaarly ailed for 2 decades and more. What new can the terrorists do now that they could not earlier?

If you call supporting innocents and that too who are fighting for thier OWN land, as something ailing than one can only feel sorry nothing else for you.

Your military generals and political leaders have recognized this. Only internet warriors are itching for more blood to be spilled (of course as long as it is someone else's).

No one is supporting spiling blood.

As far as stance of our political and military people is concerned we had done everything to bring peace and even we had put forward proposal for conducting Referendum in Azad Kashmir too to know if the entire region of Kashmir wants to be independent we are even ready for that just beacuse we want whatever the Kashmiris want.whereas India is not ready to accept any soultion to the Kashmir Issue and wants to continue with killing the innocent Kashmiris.

 

[Flintlock]

you guys seem seriously frustrated. Is that upon realising that Pakistan will never give up on Kashmir, even if you decide to cram another half a million troops in there?
Go on though, miss the whole point of this argument and steep down to more insults on Pakistan and its politicians. I love to see desperation.

Actually, its kinda sad that Pakistanis are throwing their life away to get killed in a foreign country.

It might create a few headaches for India, but its not going to make Pakistan any stronger.
Having a Jehadi culture never did any good. Thnk of Afghanistan.