Somebody already pointed out the main reason India and Pakistan are intersted in Kashmir...its water. Whoever controlls Kashmir controlls the Indus Valley thus Pakistan. More than 200 million people depend on water originating from this region.
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The same reason why Pakistan is in Sindh!
Are you saying that Pakistan has stationed a ridiculous number of Punjabi, Pathan and Balouch troops in Sindh who are oppressing Sindhis and putting them in mass graves?
Kashmir is a Disputed Terrirory. It belongs to Nobody but the Kashmiris.
Pakistan has secondary rights over Kashmir because the rest of Pakistanis rely on water which flows directly through Kashmir.
Kashmiris are Muslims who want to join Pakistan. If you dont believe that then allow the UN to hold a vote there and we can ask them.
1. what about india's psychological warfare against the kashmiri people?1. Why do you think Indian troops were posted in Kashmir in early 90s while they were completely absent before that?
2. What about Ikhwan, the brigade of surendered militants who are involved in counter-insurgency?
3. What about those people who vote in election?
4. What about the killings of non-Sunni Kashmiris at the hands of Jihadis?
5. Do you know how many innocents are killed and injured by Jihadi attacks?
6. Do you know how many surrendered militants fight alongside Indians against Jihadis? and do you know how many surrendered militants and their family members are killed by Jihadis?
7. Are pro-Pakistani kashmiris innocents and Pro-Indian Kashmiris non muslims? are those killed by Jihadis non-innocents? are those terrorists killed by Counter-insurgents innocents?
8. Do you believe media to be unbiased when it comes to Kashmir?
Even if Kashmiris were disillusioned with India for neglecting them thanks to the so-called freedom struggle they have become IMO fed up with Pakistan too.
UnitedPak you are blissfully unaware of the demographics of Kashmir. Kashmiri Pundits are miniscule when compared to other Hindu(non-muslim) groups (Read today's news article where the nonmigrant Kashmiri Pundits have criticized the PM) . In fact the population of Kashmiris is little above the Dogras yet the seats are alloted in such a way the Dogras get less representation than they ought to get.
But how can you not sympathise with Kashmiris? they are being killed by freedom fighters/terrorists a freedom struggle which they have largely rejected and which is being fought in their stead by many foreigners? It is surprising to see donation boxes in Pakistani Muslim owned establishments asking for donation for Kashmir's freedom struggle/Jihad.
Like I said earlier letting these groups run unchecked without a purpose will hurt pakistan. that's why getting back at india is really starting to look attractive. after all, it is a tit-for-tat game between pakistan and india as one member suggested.They are giving more shocks to you and killing more Pakistani people.. Power to the Mujahideen anyone?
Of course who is not afraid of the Pious arab Mujahideen who fight for Islam in Allah's Jihad.
Keeping sarcasm aside, this is just fanaticism which will affect Pakistan more than India...
whatever, pretty tall claims for one who supports forceful occupation of kashmir.I hope not too many Kashmiris are martyred in defending their motherland against foreigners fighting for their twisted agendas by quoting such high ideals as enshrined by the Prophet and the Quran.
i don't think you got the memo here, to some people terrorists are freedom fighters. you using any argument relating to my views and pakistan, won't change this fact.Bugti and Mehsud are freedom fighters too? Truth always triumphs.
how do you know kashmiri's are sick of action against indian troops? Why are kashmiri's protesting indian disruption of pakistani channels? Why do the kashmiri's protest indian soldiers constructing mosques?How do you know? Every Kashmiri knows the brutalities the sick terrorists are committing in Kashmir...
You took the words right out of my mouth, "of that even under the threat of being shot they vote".I think the amount of people who vote in elections is proof of that even under the threat of being shot they vote.. Even in 47 65 71 and 99 Kashmiris helped GoI fight Pakistan why was that? there were four golden opportunities.
no, indian soldiers deny most of the accusations against women. again, even if these ludicrous records are true about kashmiri women being abducted by terrorists, that doesn't make it "okay" for indian soldiers to rape women as they please.Mass graves?? How do you know those mass graves are not built by terrorists? or had corpses of terrorists?
Existence of mass graves means people were killed and if those people are not located that means those were probably foreigners..
PS: There are verifiable records of terrorists abducting large number of Kashmiri women...
Indian soldiers who did what they did were punished for what they did...
plebiscite wasn't held under the excuse of india holding rigged elections.Plebiscite cannot be held in the entire Kashmir region as per UN resolutions. if you have read them you will be aware..
good one, i bet it's biased reporting or a conspiracy theory, right?How do you know those being thrown in the mass graves were not terrorists or better foreign terrorists?
running out of ideas?The same reason why Pakistan is in Sindh!
The same reason why Pakistan is in Sindh!
The same reason why Pakistan is in Sindh!
PS: J&K is a province of India and as per legal documents India(GoI, Military, J&K govt etc ) and Indians(Kashmiris, Ladakhis, Dogras) have all the right to be in J&K.
Yeah, actually it was and still is.
Sorry, but kashmir is one of the major issues among jihadists. If it wasn't, I don't think we'd hear the Imam of the Kaaba mentioning Kashmir in his prayers every ramadan.
It doesn't really matter whether you have good relations with muslim countries, what matters is if you have good relations with the world's muslim population.
Have you closely read your rebuttal?
That said by you .. errYou can't even spell correctly and now you claim intellectual superiority?
wishful thinking from a bharati fanatic
these militants had nothing to do when we tried to make peace with india. i'm sure if the govt. gave them a job to do in kashmir, they'd be willing to rise up to the occasion.
You have your own indigenous jihadi outfits to worry about and i'm not talking about kashmir
Akhanda bharat my foot , who gives rats arse to Akhanda bharath.this isn't my problem, I'm certain the kashmiris have had enough putting up with your akhand bharat ideology.
Just thought I might mention this again for everyone to see.
I think we're dealing with a child here, I wonder if the mods have checked up with his parents considering he's under 18
Yeah make sure you tell kashmiris that, .
instead of trying to portray yourself as the saviour of the kashmiri people in bollywood
It's funny someone called me a "war-monger",
while this akhand bharat fanatic runs around claiming the indian sub-continent for himself and "Jai Hind".
Please read UN resolutions in fact Pakistan and China have to give up their Kashmir's .. and India can station in undivided Kashmir a billion troops and delay elections for millenniums..
When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistani nationals referred to in Part II, A, 2 hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistani forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of its forces from that State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission.- CHECK - "are being withdrawn", when Pakistani troops ARE BEING withdrawn, then India must agree to reduce its troops. [/COLOR]
But did it? Answer is next.
Onto 1952, and Pakistani troops were being withdrawn, now UNCIP asks India to reduce its troops as per resolution 47 above.
UN resolution 98 of 23RD December 1952
Urges the Governments of India and Pakistan to enter into immediate negotiations under the auspices of the United Nations Representative for India and Pakistan in order to reach agreement on the specific number of forces to remain on each side of the cease-fire line at the end of the period of demilitarization, this number to be between 3,000 and 6,000 armed forces remaining on the Pakistan side of the cease-fire line and between 12,000 and 18,000 armed forces remaining on the India side of the cease-fire line, as suggested by the United Nations Representative in his proposals of 16 July 1952, such specific numbers to be arrived at bearing in mind the principles or criteria contained in paragraph 7 of the United Nations Representative's proposal of 4 September 1952
But oh no, did it agree to reduce its troops? Here are those words again
UNCIP representative: "in the end I became convinced that Indias agreement would never be obtained to demilitarization in any form or to provisions governing the period of plebiscite of such character, as would in my opinion, permit the plebiscite being conducted in conditions sufficiently guarding against intimidation and other forms of influence and abuse by which freedom and fairness of the plebiscite might be imperiled."
UNCIP chief representative
1. what about india's psychological warfare against the kashmiri people?
2. what about the women who were raped by indian soldiers?
3. what about women instructed to carry knives to guard their chastisy?
4. what about the unaccounted dissappearances of thousands of kashmiri's?
5. what about the children who were murdered by indian soldiers?
6. what about the elections being rigged and unusual prolonged rule of the indian-favoured politicians?
7. what about the ikhwanu muslimeen attacking police regiments?
8. do you think kashmiris on this board and those who speak against indian rule are brainwashed?
Again, you will only hear what you want to hear. Kashmiri's being killed by fighters and pandits being displaced.
Like I said earlier letting these groups run unchecked without a purpose will hurt pakistan. that's why getting back at india is really starting to look attractive. after all, it is a tit-for-tat game between pakistan and india as one member suggested.
whatever, pretty tall claims for one who supports forceful occupation of kashmir.
i don't think you got the memo here, to some people terrorists are freedom fighters. you using any argument relating to my views and pakistan, won't change this fact.
to some balochi's, bughti is a freedom fighter. to some other people, he's a terrorist. oh yeah, and mehsud isn't much of a freedom fighter as he is a terrorist.
how do you know kashmiri's are sick of action against indian troops? Why are kashmiri's protesting indian disruption of pakistani channels? Why do the kashmiri's protest indian soldiers constructing mosques?
You took the words right out of my mouth, "of that even under the threat of being shot they vote".
no, indian soldiers deny most of the accusations against women. again, even if these ludicrous records are true about kashmiri women being abducted by terrorists, that doesn't make it "okay" for indian soldiers to rape women as they please.
plebiscite wasn't held under the excuse of india holding rigged elections.
good one, i bet it's biased reporting or a conspiracy theory, right?
don't waste our time with pathetic line after line replies, it get's lame after a while. no argument is going to go in your favour of kashmiri's supporting indian rule. that's just about the worst pathetic crap I've heard from a hindutva fanatic running amuck with a picture of Rumi.
we have a quite a large representation of kashmiri's participating on this board, i've yet to see anyone who doesn't favour violence against indian occupation.
when are you going to answer mine?are you going to answer my questions?
actually things are looking up now.Don't worry they will hurt you more in the long run, this is the law of terrorism.
Protect kashmiri's from themselves, you mean?forceful? I think the 100,000 soldiers are there to protect Kashmir and Kashmiris, it is a border state after all.
not even to his own tribe, actually. he's more like a monster to his own tribe and the tribes around him.Nope Mehsud is a freedom fighter to some..
Yes, that's right. you will hear what you want to hear, remember that.Again, you will only hear what you want to hear.
No, I shot you in the head. Kashmiri's were forced to vote by Indians against their will in the election. Besides that, there was a low turn out anyway. It's quite similar to Musharraf, a dictator, winning the elections a while ago, unopposed.yes being shot by the terrorists that is why there is massive troop deployments along the booths to protect the Kashmiri voters.
You just shot yourself in the foot.
that's rarely done, hundreds of women are raped at the hands of these soldiers. young girls are now being instructed to carry knives to gaurd their chastisy. You are actually saying it's okay for them, otherwise you would have argued against troops in kashmir.who is saying it makes okay for them? If they are proved guilty they are court martialled.
exactly as I said above.yes and for this India was to be allowed as many troops and as much time as they felt fit.
At least I stand up for kashmiri's, so i feel their suffering and pain. One who wakes up and does not care for the affairs of the muslims is not one of us.This is the worst pathetic crap I have heard from a follower of the Prophet, you are nothing but a terrorist masquerading as a Muslim.
Soon, you will claim most kashmiri's are pandits and afghani's are indian. that's BS, azad kashmir is full with kashmiri's, mainly from the kashmir valley.Azad Kashmiris are Mirpuris or Pahari Punjabis, caste wise, culture wise, ethnically or linguistically they are different from Kashmiris.
Azad Kashmiris are Mirpuris or Pahari Punjabis, caste wise, culture wise, ethnically or linguistically they are different from Kashmiris.
Utter BS, Kashmiri struggle completely depends on Pakistani fighters, finance and support, you have had a habit of sacrificing them for your cause.