Bangladeshi hacked to death by BSF men on Lalmonirhat border

[DkBose]

we count every sigle muslim no matter palistianain afghan yemani iraqi or libiyan and we will take revenge dont forget

u forgot pakistanis

 

[saleen_s7]

20 million Bangladeshi illegal immigrant is a cheap political tactic used by some politicians to meet their ends. How do you even know it is 20 million if it is illegal and if you know the exact number, why is it hard to deport them? And why would any sane Bangadeshi move to India is beyond me, unless off course they are hindus. The first time I even heard of this illegal immigration issue is first time on PDF. If the number is close to anywhere near 10,000 let alone 20 million, at least one of the members here would acknowledge the fact.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

this BSF needs to change its policy of shoot at sight just place infra red BEL BFR-SR radars on the border and if you see any Illegals trying to cross fire warning shots at them if they still don't stop try rubber bullets when they get to the fence then you arrest and deport not shoot ^__^

 

[idune]

20 million Bangladeshi illegal immigrant is a cheap political tactic used by some politicians to meet their ends. How do you even know it is 20 million if it is illegal and if you know the exact number, why is it hard to deport them? And why would any sane Bangadeshi move to India is beyond me, unless off course they are hindus. The first time I even heard of this illegal immigration issue is first time on PDF. If the number is close to anywhere near 10,000 let alone 20 million, at least one of the members here would acknowledge the fact.

Illegal immigration or not BSF brutality and killing has nothing to do with it. Indias are just using this as an excuse to justify their brutality. Rest of civilized world know better.

As for so called illegals - its another indian strategy to tag indian Bengali speaking Muslims as illegal and set stage for ethnic cleansing. Thats the only way india know how to get out of poverty quickly. You have heard indians posted in last few messages, they are waiting BJP to execute the plan.

 

[IndoCarib]

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every other slumdweller in Mumbai is a bangladeshi ! Every other thug / pick pocket in Delhi is a Bangladeshi ! The elements who hoisted Pakistani flag some years ago are Bangladeshi !. The list goes on. Why do you think the BSF kills them ? Crossing the border illegally is one thing, over that indulging all sorts of criminal behaviour is once they settle here ! Man, we had enough! Now even ordinary citizens of India is willing to take up arm and kills these scumbags !

Crime trail leads to illegal Bangladeshi immigrants, 140 deported

http://www.inewsone.com/2011/05/26/...gal-bangladeshi-immigrants-140-deported/53164

 

[LiberalAtheist]

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every other slumdweller in Mumbai is a bangladeshi ! Every other thug / pick pocket in Delhi is a Bangladeshi ! The elements who hoisted Pakistani flag some years ago are Bangladeshi !. The list goes on. Why do you think the BSF kills them ? Crossing the border illegally is one thing, over that indulging all sorts of criminal behaviour is once they settle here ! Man, we had enough! Now even ordinary citizens of India is willing to take up arm and kills these scumbags !

sir i believe the Dalits and the other low castes live in slums correct me if im wrong

 

[IndoCarib]

sir i believe the Dalits and the other low castes live in slums correct me if im wrong

No you are wrong ! You have no idea of slums in India ! I have seen in Mumbai. Most slumdwellers are UP muslims. In the suburb of Bandra there are exclusive muslim slums. Bangladeshi assimilate among these muslims and try to pass of as Indians

 

[Roybot]

Illegal immigration or not BSF brutality and killing has nothing to do with it. Indias are just using this as an excuse to justify their brutality. Rest of civilized world know better.

Meanwhile in Bangladesh , OC hacked me with a machete; | Education | bdnews24.com, epitome of civility

This looks like the handiwork of the oh so disciplined BDR. They have done similar crimes against such "farmers" in that very region before too, as mentioned by Human rights watch in their report.
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August 17, 2010-- 27 year old Rashidul Islam, resident of Lalmonirhat, Cattle smuggler, beaten to death by BDR , and dead body thrown in the river.

July 24, 2011- "30" year old Rafiqul Islam, resident of Lalmonirhat, Cattle smuggler, beaten to death and body thrown in the river, culprit?

Is it just me, or everyone can see this pattern? If cattle smugglers don't pay up, beat him to death, and blame it on the Indian BSF, how convenient.

 

[RockyX]

Illegal immigration or not BSF brutality and killing has nothing to do with it. Indias are just using this as an excuse to justify their brutality. Rest of civilized world know better.

As for so called illegals - its another indian strategy to tag indian Bengali speaking Muslims as illegal and set stage for ethnic cleansing. Thats the only way india know how to get out of poverty quickly. You have heard indians posted in last few messages, they are waiting BJP to execute the plan.

BJP is not like useless Islamic Jamaait party of Bangladesh. BJP is nationalist party which is depended on 1 Billion population. Nothing is wrong in that. don't talk about Indian Muslims. India is not Bangladesh where Islam is state of religion.

Yes, BJP will come in power, Then these illegal will deported back to Bangladesh anyhow.....Stop if you can...

You should be thankful, BSF is not taking any hard step. Congress or BJP both will act later (They are not doing because Hasina is working as Indian agent and priority is different as of now). But Actions will be taken at right time...... Have some patience...

 

[idune]

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every other slumdweller in Mumbai is a bangladeshi ! Every other thug / pick pocket in Delhi is a Bangladeshi ! The elements who hoisted Pakistani flag some years ago are Bangladeshi !. The list goes on. Why do you think the BSF kills them ? Crossing the border illegally is one thing, over that indulging all sorts of criminal behaviour is once they settle here ! Man, we had enough! Now even ordinary citizens of India is willing to take up arm and kills these scumbags !

Crime trail leads to illegal Bangladeshi immigrants, 140 deported

Crime trail leads to illegal Bangladeshi immigrants, 140 deported News

As I said indian are tagging Bengali speaking Muslims as Bangladeshi setting the stage for ethnic cleansing. The new clearly say arrested guy is from West Bengal. But offcourse police will follow through indian ethnic cleansing plan.

New Delhi, May 26 (IANS) ‘I was born and brought up in Midnapore in West Bengal. I have come here to earn a living. I am not a Bangladeshi,’ pleaded 30-year-old Zakir. However, the identity documents he produced were found to be fake by Delhi Police which wasted no time in deporting him.

 

[RockyX]

As I said indian are tagging Bengali speaking Muslims as Bangladeshi setting the stage for ethnic cleansing. The new clearly say arrested guy is from West Bengal. But offcourse police will follow through indian ethnic cleansing plan.

No, They are Bangladeshi. Don't mislead with your crap thoughts. Indian Muslims are Indians only. If we wanted to cleansing Muslims, we would have done 50-60 years back same like Bangladesh and Pakistan did. Hindu Population declined 22% to 1.5% in Pakistan and 23% to 7% in Bangladesh. In India, Muslim Population increased from 9% to 14% (including 2% Bangladeshi) .

 

[idune]

BJP is nationalist party which is depended on 1 Billion population. Nothing is wrong in that. ..

Nationalism in India Equals Hindu Fundamentalism

Hari | July 5, 2010

Some of the questions that I am asked most by readers of this blog and by a few of my friends are whether I am nationalistic and whether I see anything wrong with nationalistic thought. My first reaction normally is to ask for clarification on what they mean by nationalistic thought. In most cases the response that I get is putting India’s national interests over regional interests, corruption, religious interests and so on.

This is a difficult and tricky question to answer. Many who ask these questions use the answers to judge whether a person is patriotic and loyal to India as they perceive it. I think that the only requirement for an Indian citizen is to abide by the laws of the land laid out by the constitution of India. To the best of my knowledge professing nationalism is not a requirement. The constitution of India was based on the ideas and beliefs of such luminaries as Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, B.R. Ambedkar and Maulana Azad among others.

They clearly saw India as a secular, pluralistic multiparty democracy. One of the basic fabrics of the Indian constitution (as evidenced by many Supreme Court and High Court rulings) is the concept of inclusiveness. In striking down parts of Article 377 thereby legalizing gay partnerships, the Delhi High Court famously said “Moral indignation, howsoever strong, is not a valid basis for overriding individuals’ fundamental rights of dignity and privacy. In our scheme of things Constitutional morality must outweigh the argument of public morality, even if it be the majoritarian view”.

The concept of inclusiveness, understanding India’s cultural, linguistic and religious diversity and our constitutional framework are increasingly becoming difficult for some of us to grasp which brings us back to the concept of Indian nationalism. Most Indians would say that they believe that the nation’s interests should be above everything else. But what are India’s national interests and does it conflict with regional interests of states?

India obviously has many national interests. One of the crucial goals is to make sure that the Indian union remains intact and does not break apart. As most of us know this is an extremely difficult task to achieve. There are a few states in India that are part of India only on paper, states where people from neighboring states cannot settle permanently or buy property, there are states and territories where outsiders need government permission and permits to enter.

In a sense India is not a nation state like the United States. It is a nation where there is a weak center that happens to have the support of many smaller “nation states” within itself. To remain within India these states have struck agreements with the center that might seem unfair and not uniform. Additional demands are constantly being made. But this loose coalition of states with a weak center has worked very well for India since our Independence from the British. Every state and their people get to maintain their unique identities and get to call themselves Indians without getting “Indianized”.

But this sort of arrangement is under tremendous threat from the nouveau rich upper caste Indians. Studies have shown that the support for Hindu nationalist parties like the BJP are very high among upper caste Hindus and very low among Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribes. In addition support for such parties is also extremely high among the educated and the affluent as compared to the less literate and poor.

These so-called champions of nationalism hate regionalism and regional politics. But regional politics and maintaining state identities are important in keeping that state as part of the Indian union. This in turn is in India’s national interests. In addition the days of strong national parties are long gone. India for the foreseeable future will be dominated by coalition politics because that is what “Indians” want.

In the past strong “national” parties for most Indians meant parties dominated by few Central Indian states for the benefit of people who live in those states (the cow belt). Those days’ governments from the South, Northeast and Northwest have to do something outrageous to get any attention from the Central government. The rise of the regional parties has put an end to this domination. The cow belt nationalists are upset now that they have to share power with the rest of us.

In addition to regionalism the “nationalists” also complain about preferential treatment to minorities (conveniently ignoring the fact the vast majority of Indians who benefit reservation and other forms of preferential treatment by the government are the lower caste Hindu Indians). In many cases they want to promote the concept of Swadeshi and boycott of foreign companies (something India has tried in the past and failed miserably). In addition many of them also want to unify the nation using vague notions like yoga.

For those Indians who are secular or belong to members of the minority community all this sounds very familiar. These are pretty much the same concepts touted by Hindu nationalist parties like the BJP, Shiv Sena and the Bajrang Dal. The flavor is slightly different and the leaders are different but the ingredients are the same.

What is nationalism in the Indian context? India to me is not a piece of land alone. It also includes a set of principles that include democracy, secularism and freedom all working in sync with India’s tremendous diversity. I am loyal to these principles.

Nationalism in India Taken Over by Hindu Fundamentalists | India First-Hand

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

at last this Indian coward are keeping there promise, they are not killing our people by shooting but beating or stoning. a true example of friendship.

Now, if someone you claim is killing you and you are afraid to do anything about it, who then is the coward?

 

[RockyX]

Nationalism in India Equals Hindu Fundamentalism

It is not as if other democracies don’t have right-wing or religion-based (or religion-influenced) parties. George Bush’s Republican party had strong backing from born-again Christians, neo-cons and evangelicals. Many European countries have Christian Democratic parties, especially in Italy and Germany. Malaysia has a Muslim-Malay party at the head of the coalition. In our own country, we have parties that are overtly religious like the Muslim League, the MIM and the Kerala Congress.

In short, the BJP can be a Hindu-based party and yet be secular. Hope this Clear your doubt!!

BJP don't need Muslim Votes ......Hindus+Sikhs+Jains+ Buddhist are more than Enough. Even BJP will get 1/3rd of these votes. it would come in Power...... Hence, BJP is Hindu and other religion party still Secular Party.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Nationalism in India Taken Over by Hindu Fundamentalists | India First-Hand

The champions of nationalism do not abhor regionalism at all. Instead, they uphold the concept of India and it vibrancy as signatured by its diversity in all sphere of human identity, be it culture, language, religion and so on.

What, however, they do cherish is that this diversity should synergise the people towards a singular national aim and not destroy it. I presume that such a desire is but natural and nothing abnormal or reasons to feel apologetic about.

One wonders why the blogger is surprised with the answer that nationalism is putting India’s national interests over regional interests, corruption, religious interests and so on. It is obvious that these issues amongst other is an anathema to national progress and hence, debilitating. What else can national interest be than to remove issues that downslide the real worth of a nation.

To believe that the following the law of the land and the Constitution is nationalism is litmus of nationalism is a stupid and a childish interpretation. In other word, if one follows the law and the Constitution, he is a good citizen and a nationalist and that he should stand blind to the negativity that is permeating in society, for that would not be his concern and beyond the purview of nationalism!! How more stupid can one get?

The fact that the Constitution was brainwaved by greats like Nehru, Azad, Ambedkar et al does not mean that it should be in perpetuity in a timewrap. Or that it is a Holy Cow! The very thought is juvenile and moronic. Life is in a constant flux and new situations present itself. The Law and Consitution requires to be relevant to the contemporary times and not be antediluvian. This is the typical gambit of those who are short on arguments and so they drop names of revered leaders so as to overawe dissent in submission, out of sheer respect for those names.

It is true that there are a few states in India that are part of India only on paper, states where people from neighbouring states cannot settle permanently or buy property, there are states and territories where outsiders need government permission and permits to enter. The blogger leave it hanging without explanation so as to sensationalise. What the blogger conveniently leaves it unsaid is that these restrictions apply to states that are ‘tribal’ in nature, wherein they are underdeveloped and where the fatcats can come and disrupt the societal harmony of the tribal by indiscriminately buying property or settle and make the tribal a minority in their own state! In fact, it indicates the vibrancy of our Constitution that it protects the poor from exploitation by the rich, connected and the mighty.

Contrary to the blogger’s contention, India has always had a strong central Govt and weak State governments. While one could give many examples, suffice it to give the latest, where Kapil Sibal, the Union HRD Minister unilaterally has foisted his own ideas as a Central firman on Education without even consultation with the States, even though Education is a concurrent subject as per the Constitution!!

On e does not understand as to what the blogger means by Every state and their people get to maintain their unique identities and get to call themselves Indians without getting “Indianized”.
If Great Britain could rule over the world and have an Empire where ‘the sun never set’ by remaining British without losing their individuality as ‘English’, ‘Scot’, ‘Welsh’ or ‘Irish’, I don’t understand what is the problem of one being what his State identity is and yet be an Indian.

The blogger is confused. Once he is a votary for Indian nationalism and then he switches to regional identity being paramount.

The blogger states Studies have shown that the support for Hindu nationalist parties like the BJP are very high among upper caste Hindus and very low among Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribes. In addition support for such parties is also extremely high among the educated and the affluent as compared to the less literate and poor. He conveniently forget that in Gujarat Modi won hands down in the elections to local bodies to include highly Muslim dominated constituency. One wonders what the blogger’ explanation would be. The simple explanation would be that Gujarat is high on progress and infrastructure, good administration and no corruption and Modi, inspite of efforts, has proved to be squeaky clean. In short, none cares about divides, all care about their personal and their family’s well being and Gujarat proves it so. Even the Vice Chancellor of the Darool gave a clean chit to Modi’s development and raised a storm since reality os not to be recognised for political brownies!

I could go on but then how much half baked junk can one shovel?