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He is yet to fathom that different measures have been used by different committees/countries to compute poverty. But let's not throw pearls of wisdom to undeserving.

that was not my data abir babu... it is from india itself and based on the income level of less then 20 rupee a day...

Here, is the report for you again...

It's official: 37 pc live below poverty line - India News - IBNLive

Two other reports had pegged poverty at higher levels. The Arjun Sengupta report had said 77 per cent of Indians live on less than Rs 20 a day while the N C Saxena Committee report had said 50 per cent of people live below poverty. However, the Tendulkar report with a figure of at 37 per cent, is perhaps more acceptable to the government.


Yes I know that different measures has been taken by different country... for India for that report it was less then 20 rupee a day earning which has been elevated to 30 rupee this year. For Bangladesh it is 1.25 dollar a day which is the standard level set by UN. 20 rupee is hardly less then .5 dollar a day.
 
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that was not my data abir babu... it is from india itself and based on the income level of less then 20 rupee a day...


Yes I know that different measures has been taken by different country... for India for that report it was less then 20 rupee a day earning which has been elevated to 30 rupee this year. For Bangladesh it is 1.25 dollar a day which is the standard level set by UN. 20 rupee is hardly less then .5 dollar a day.


Very brilliant, now understand Tendulkar report re-evaluate the measure of poverty, thus increasing the peg from 27% to 37%.

If you still didn't get there, here is a graphical representation which might be able to synch to your level of intelligence!

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.DDAY/countries/IN-BD?display=graph

povertyheadcountratioat.png


^ Percentage of people living under 1.25$ a day.
 
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Very brilliant, now understand Tendulkar report re-evaluate the measure of poverty, thus increasing the peg from 27% to 37%.

If you still didn't get there, here is a graphical representation which might be able to synch to your level of intelligence!

Poverty headcount ratio at $1.25 a day (PPP) (% of population) | Data | Graph

povertyheadcountratioat.png


^ Percentage of people living under 1.25$ a day.

the 31% data that i cited was measured by World bank funded survey... so it is now around 31.5%... world bank did not updated the data....

anyway... Arjun Sen gupta said it clearly 77% Indian live with less then 20 rupee a day and N C Saxena placed the number 50%... both are much lower then 1.25 dollar... so if their report is true then there is a big error in the world bank data...for the case of India.
 
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the 31% data that i cited was measured by World bank funded survey... so it is now around 31.5%... world bank did not updated the data....

anyway... Arjun Sen gupta said it clearly 77% Indian live with less then 20 rupee a day and N C Saxena placed the number 50%... both are much lower then 1.25 dollar... so if their report is true then there is a big error in the world bank data...for the case of India.

World bank funded survey my a$$, come up with official statement from WB and proper metrics which were used to measure poverty.

Yes WB is wrong and random Bangladeshi in pdf is right! :hitwall:
 
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@Sami

Buddy why are you rattling the troll nest so early on a beautiful saturday ?
 
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Check out the graph, it says 50% of Bangladeshi lived under 1.25 $ in 2005 as opposed to 40 % percent of Bangladeshi living under poverty line in 2005. So it seems Bangladeshi have different metrics for measuring poverty.

Also India's poverty is set to 29% (year 2000) according to this world bank website.

As I said, different countries uses different measures, people think India's poverty has increased 10% in 5 years and don't understand that India is only raising the bar.
 
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GOOD NEWS AT RECORD SPEED: WB Report
Poverty estimates help determine the poverty profile of a country. Such estimates guide developing nations, like Bangladesh, during the formulation of national strategies like the forthcoming Sixth Five Year Plan of Bangladesh. Poverty estimates are also critical in monitoring the outcomes of the targets set in country strategies. The new poverty numbers will help the Government to refine policies based on results and evidence.
Good news at came at a record speed in Bangladesh with the World Bank’s assistance. “Bangladesh reduced poverty from 40 percent to 31.5 percent between 2005 and 2010” – announced the Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics (BBS) and the World Bank at a joint workshop in June.
According to International Monetary Fund’s General Data Dissemination System (GDDS), it is a “good practice” to release new poverty numbers and key statistics within six to twelve months after completion of the field work. The BBS took only five months to release new poverty numbers and launch their recently completed 2010 Household Income and Expenditure Survey (HIES).
The HIES is a major source of socio-economic information at the household level in Bangladesh. It provides data on household expenditure, income, consumption, savings, housing conditions, education, employment, health, sanitation, water supply, electricity usage, etc.
For the first time, the survey also gathered information on four new areas: (i) Microcredit; (ii) Disability; (iii) Migration and Remittance; and (iv) Crisis Management. These new information will support Bangladesh in addressing the socio-economic differences in the poverty levels of the country and help policy-makers take better informed decisions and adopt targeted poverty reduction strategies.

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MAY 17, 2011, 10:13 AM IST
India Journal: Playing with Poverty Statistics

By Ranjani Iyer Mohanty

The poverty line for a given individual can be defined as the money the individual needs to achieve the minimum level of ‘welfare’ to not be deemed ‘poor,’ given its circumstances.”

This is how Martin Ravallion, director of the Development Research Group at the World Bank, defines the poverty line. In 2005, the World Bank revised the international poverty line up from $1 a day to $1.25 a day, but countries are allowed to set their own national poverty line. The Planning Commission has set India’s national line at 578 rupees a month, or the equivalent of 43 U.S. cents a day.

Even assuming only a charitable (to the government, that is) 30 days a month, that works out to less than 20 rupees a day. A half-litre packet of milk at Mother Dairy costs 10 rupees. One mango, those in season and heaped on carts by the side of the street, costs 10 rupees. And a cabbage …but no, your 20 rupees a day has already been spent. If you spend more than that, even on clothing or education or fuel, you cannot be termed as below the poverty line and therefore you are not eligible for BPL-related benefits and subsidies on food, shelter, and medical treatment. And note that the luxurious 20 rupees a day is for city dwellers; rural people have to spend less than 15 rupees a day in order to be below the poverty line.

The absurdity of such a low poverty line is astounding
. Even the World Bank, which does not usually comment on national poverty lines, feels that India’s is too low and was hoping for a more realistic peg at $1.17 a day. Many concerned individuals have called India’s poverty line the “starvation line.” In fact, it is tending more toward the flat-line on a cardiac monitor.

The Multidimensional Poverty Index (developed by the Oxford Poverty & Human Development Initiative) puts the number of poverty-stricken Indians at 645 million. A recent report by the Asian Development Bank says rising food prices will push a further 30 million Indians below the poverty line of $1.25 a day. According to the National Family Health Survey (2006) by the Government of India, the child malnutrition rate is 46%, which human rights lawyer Colin Gonzalves says translates into a horrific 2,500 child deaths every day.

Are the members of the Planning Commission living in India in 2011? Why this total disconnect with reality?

Now I know some will argue and say: “Hey, stop picking on the Government of India! Can’t you see they’re trying to do their best … for themselves, that is? So what if they spend money on seemingly unimportant things (like the Commonwealth Games, unnecessary signs, and personal security guards) and remain impassive while some of their colleagues are filling their Swiss bank accounts and lining their own pockets with our tax dollars? Besides, the state governments are at fault, too. And I earn way more than 578 rupees a month anyways – in fact, I spend almost that much on a cup of coffee whenever I stop in at 360 at the Oberoi. So what do I care about what or where the poverty line is or who’s under it? Let them eat cake.”

I think I’ve heard those famous last words somewhere else before.

But a second look at this whole issue got me doing a re-think: If we can have a floating exchange rate and a floating gold price, why not a floating national poverty line? It could actually be a big advantage in lowering our poverty rates.

While having the international poverty line at $1.25 a day may show India as having some 600 million people below it, simply moving the national poverty line to 43 cents a day reduces those below the poverty line to about 440 million. In fact, if the Planning Commission revises the poverty line to 20 cents a day, they can reduce poverty yet again. Of course, they could drop the national poverty line to 1 cent a day and thereby eradicate poverty in India altogether.

Learning from the wisdom of the government, I’ve decided to adopt similar measures for a more personal problem. I’ll be turning 50 next month … but that sounds rather old. So instead of accepting that reality and taking practical steps – like putting aside funds for later years or taking better care of my health – I’m going to pretend I’m living on Mars and then, using the Martian measurement of time to calculate my age, I can say I’m just a sprightly 26 years. Of course, I may die before I’m 40, but at least I can live and die under a happy illusion.



Ranjani Iyer Mohanty is a writer and a business/academic editor. Her articles have been published in various international newspapers and magazines.
 
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