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Bangladesh to reject China’s proposals on Rohingya crisis

mutual agreement wont work when one side does not give a fcuk about international obligation, unless its leaders are forced to... so bd should keep the pressure on myanmar and the countries that either support(china) or turn a blind eye (india)...
 
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I must admit the port plan may have had an impact on Chinese descision. However if we look at our relationship since the 70s it's a mere blip on the ground. I have to say I don't think Chinese position would have been different if the port did not go to the japs. Chinese interaction in Burma is quite significant and it is China's client state.

Whilst I am a proponent of good relationship with china I would always urge that we do not become too reliant on any country and as such cooperating with many countries would be my preferred way to go.

Bangladesh is alone, its foreign and economic policy needs to reflect that.

What the rohingya crisis has shown is that our armed forces are massively deficient and our diplomatic posture is profoundly confused.

Yes BD is alone but it is a country of nearly 160 million ethnic Bengalis, of who 90% are Muslim. That is BD's greatest strength.

mutual agreement wont work when one side does not give a fcuk about international obligation, unless its leaders are forced to... so bd should keep the pressure on myanmar and the countries that either support(china) or turn a blind eye (india)...

Don't worry. BD will keep up the pressure on Myanmar till it starts behaving like a civilised country, which it was back many decades ago.
 
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Yes BD is alone but it is a country of nearly 160 million ethnic Bengalis, of who 90% are Muslim. That is BD's greatest strength.
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would bd not be further strengthened by arrival of more ethnic bengali muslims? and if your conclusion is correct(that mono ethnic/religious countries are more stable and better) I can see the reasoning behind myanmar's action(even if morally wrong)... its not much different from what EDL type people want.(take back their country).
 
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would bd not be further strengthened by arrival of more ethnic bengali muslims? and if your conclusion is correct(that mono ethnic/religious countries are more stable and better) I can see the reasoning behind myanmar's action(even if morally wrong)... its not much different from what EDL type people want.(take back their country).


Should S Tyroleans who had lived in their region before it was taken over by Italy have to move to Austria?
Remember a lot of Rohingyas can trace ancestry in Arakan before the Barmans even arrived in that place.

Only way that BD would accept Rohingyas become BD'shi is if their land comes with them.

India can also get rid of many tens of millions of ethnic Bengali Muslims in W Bengal and Assam by transferring land as compensation. Interested?
 
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Should S Tyroleans who had lived in their region before it was taken over by Italy have to move to Austria?
Remember a lot of Rohingyas can trace ancestry in Arakan before the Barmans even arrived in that place.

Only way that BD would accept Rohingyas become BD'shi is if their land comes with them.

India can also get rid of many tens of millions of ethnic Bengali Muslims in W Bengal and Assam by transferring land as compensation. Interested?
right, so would you say that myanmar is safer and more stable without rohingyas? the fact whether they transfer land or not, is upto them(and upto bd to deal with)... I think you agree with the idea of rohingyaless myanmar?
closer to home, would you be sympathetic to the EDL cause, (mainly due to their fear that white ethnic brits becoming less in percentage, thereby making the country less habitable for them.)
Would you agree(technically) that deporting non-whites to outside UK will make UK strong and stable. (ignoring logistics/morality/rule of law)
 
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right, so would you say that myanmar is safer and more stable without rohingyas? the fact whether they transfer land or not, is upto them(and upto bd to deal with)... I think you agree with the idea of rohingyaless myanmar?

Myanmar would be more stable if it was split up along it's major ethnic lines. It is still at war with all it's ethnic groups as it is just a line on a map and not a real nation like BD or Japan.

Myanmar can only get rid of Rohingya by giving their land as compensation. If it thinks it can get rid of them without land compensation it will learn the hard way.
 
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Myanmar would be more stable if it was split up along it's major ethnic lines. It is still at war with all it's ethnic groups as it is just a line on a map and not a real nation like BD or Japan.

Myanmar can only get rid of Rohingya by giving their land as compensation. If it thinks it can get rid of them without land compensation it will learn the hard way.
what if burmans can expel without suffering consequences? nobody knows what future holds, but looks like they can, I see no power challenging them...
the international apatite for new country or land transfer is all time low.... no matter what one wishes, thats not really going to happen without a war.
 
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No strategic asset to any country. We should build port by ourselves. Hire a contractor, start from small and expand with the income generated. The way our ancestor built the Chittagong port. We can do it again.
In Rakhine China only offered 15% of the share to the burmese. Later with immense pressure from Su Ki, they agreed for 30% only. Do you want this kind of deal with China?

Talk big and farcical bully are hallmark ruling awami league trait. Go and count how many strategic assets/positions ruling awami league already given to india. What Awami league did in terms of rejecting Chinese offer is now causing Bangladesh as a nation to suffer. A deep sea port does not have to own by China or any other country but could have been built in partnership following any of the PPP model (BOT, BOO, BOOT, BLT etc.). Besides, if awami looters and their cheerleaders had so much money why they had not built such port in last 10 years? Don't open your mouth on something that you don't know jack about.

In last 11 years $65 billion looted and siphoned off from Bangladesh - By Awami league appointed Ex BB governor
http://www.newsforbd.net/newsdetail/detail/200/346860

At present situation, building deeep sea port is not only thing that will elevate Bangladesh strategic position and allow to compete. There are other important undertakings. I did not mention anything but looks like combined awami cheerleading brain trust out of clue. Let it be that way.

As far as Chinese and Myanmar ownership ratio, I am sure Chinese will gain more now as they got Myanmar junta in the corner. But there is no telling in in future Myanmar renege from the deal as it did in past.
 
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would bd not be further strengthened by arrival of more ethnic bengali muslims? and if your conclusion is correct(that mono ethnic/religious countries are more stable and better) I can see the reasoning behind myanmar's action(even if morally wrong)... its not much different from what EDL type people want.(take back their country).


Bangladesh is a prisoner of history and its demographics reflect that.

A mono ethnic or mono religious nation is neither stronger nor weaker. US and japan being case in point.

Your specific slant was not the point Ukbengali was making in my opinion.

This is 2017, we live in the global village. Diversity makes a country interesting and I can only give my opinion on the matter.

The state should run on the principals of democracy. It should ideally be blind to religion. Its people irrespective of religion, ethnic background, political or sexual persuasion should be free and equal under the law.

Coming back to your point rohingyas if it seems impossible for them to return should be naturalised in BD again irrespective of religion.

However they have a voice and they undoubtedly would wish to return to their ancestral land.

I would advocate full pressure on Burma to enable return. Failing that BD should arm and train the rohingya. BD is not without options and must exercise them on our terms.

what if burmans can expel without suffering consequences? nobody knows what future holds, but looks like they can, I see no power challenging them...
the international apatite for new country or land transfer is all time low.... no matter what one wishes, thats not really going to happen without a war.


War is avoidable if the civilisation comes to Burmese monkeys. If not war is a just a matter of time. No other country will do anything to lift a hand for or against BD.
 
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No strategic asset to any country. We should build port by ourselves. Hire a contractor, start from small and expand with the income generated. The way our ancestor built the Chittagong port. We can do it again.
In Rakhine China only offered 15% of the share to the burmese. Later with immense pressure from Su Ki, they agreed for 30% only. Do you want this kind of deal with China?

You apparently don't know how the deal of Kyaukpyu is negotiated, MM cancelled the Myitsone Dam project unilaterally without any notification and discussion before their announcement, this made China lost near one billion, plus MM don't want to pay a single cent for its 15% or whatever percent of shares, this means all the money are provided by China, all the risk are taken by China, MM has the shares for *free*, and they also want the dividend based on the shares. The deal is not cut yet, it's still in negotiation.
 
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Bangladesh is a prisoner of history and its demographics reflect that.

A mono ethnic or mono religious nation is neither stronger nor weaker. US and japan being case in point.

Your specific slant was not the point Ukbengali was making in my opinion.

This is 2017, we live in the global village. Diversity makes a country interesting and I can only give my opinion on the matter.

The state should run on the principals of democracy. It should ideally be blind to religion. Its people irrespective of religion, ethnic background, political or sexual persuasion should be free and equal under the law.

Coming back to your point rohingyas if it seems impossible for them to return should be naturalised in BD again irrespective of religion.

However they have a voice and they undoubtedly would wish to return to their ancestral land.

I would advocate full pressure on Burma to enable return. Failing that BD should arm and train the rohingya. BD is not without options and must exercise them on our terms.




War is avoidable if the civilisation comes to Burmese monkeys. If not war is a just a matter of time. No other country will do anything to lift a hand for or against BD.
he is not the only one taking pride in the fact that his country is mono ethnic ... most bd members here have professed that they are proud of that fact... most of them cannot however explain how they feel living overseas, usually in western countries that allows multiculturalism.
if you dont trust me, do ask other members.
if a white person says something similar, he/she will be called racist....
 
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China’s popularity in Bangladesh dips a bit over Myanmar issue
Afsan Chowdhury, November 23, 2017
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China has rapidly moved from an emerging popular country in Bangladesh to a lesser pedestal. For a while, China basked in the sunshine of a post-India dominated Bangladesh scenario, but it didn’t last a full season. Myanmar and Rohingyas intervened and China’s role in standing by Myanmar has eroded that position.

While China seems least bothered, it does appear that the balance of unpopularity is at play here. India has benefitted the most from this as its fence sitting on the issue which has driven a further wedge in the already not so happy relationship now looks lot less selfish. China seems a lot more like India in Bangladesh’s public opinion space.

Both China and India appear to be unsure about a standard South Asian policy where both countries are as they battle for domination
. India’s disadvantage is its historical record where its treatment of the smaller neighbors in the region has not been positive. The result has been a long running resentment despite ongoing trade, culture and people to people activities. South Asian non-Indians think of the regional super power as a not very neighbor sensitive power with mega ambitions.

The biggest beneficiary of this new equation has been China,
who moved into the region recently with its billions of investable surplus to feed the hunger of aspiring smaller economies. Taking advantage of the already existing welcome-mat generated by default due to India’s short sighted foreign policy, China had a honeymoon period, particularly in Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka.

But in Bangladesh that crumbled quite rapidly as China firmly stood behind Myanmar during what was described by Bangladesh Prime Minister Sk. Hasina as “the most difficult period we have seen since the liberation war of 1971”. China was absent in such a period as its ally was Myanmar. While no stocks are crashing down, enthusiasm is less about China than before the Rohingyas marched in.

While India has a longer track-record built over many years apart from the socio-ethnic affinities, China is a new kid on the block. Its Myanmar’s greatest protector and Myanmar is the villain of the Rohingya piece. India is also seen as a backer of sorts but the sense of “betrayal’ is far less with it as its obvious that India’s own influence is not high in Myanmar. That fact has not worked in favor of China who are Myanmar’s best friend now.
Regional friends and enemies

With neither parties looking like they consider Bangladesh as a necessary friend compared to Myanmar, options rethink is inevitable. Since nobody takes the issue of Rohingya terrorism threat very seriously, most think that the time is right to look for fresh friends rather than just trash “historical enemies”

That process includes searching for new allies which is the US, the only one who has run a few extra yards in favor of Bangladesh on the issue.

Interestingly, Bangladesh has been reticent about an alliance with the US for a while and the present regime was quite unhappy with the US when America’s IS problem began and it said they were big in Bangladesh. Bangladesh denied this presence claiming that while a few IS activists may be strewn around, the majority of Jihadis are homegrown and home inspired led by several local outfits like the JMB.

The US Government spent considerable sum of money supporting or funding ‘IS is here’ type research and related activities but Sk. Hasina has been tough on this approach and thrown the research and researchers out. With IS’s fall, a better space for negotiations now exist.

The US is making positive news on the Rohingya issue which are all pro-Bangladesh. While the softness towards Aung Sun Suu Kyi among the Western liberals is high, the reaction of Europe in particular has been higher compared to the kind of benign indulgence noticed in the Indian and Chinese circles towards the Myanmar regime.

Several senior US, EU and Canadian officials have visited Bangladesh and they are more open about their support than expected. Since the West has little stake in Myanmar it’s possible for them to take such a stance. Just as China can’t and nor can India albeit at a lesser degree given their involvement.

While it doesn’t at all look like a sea change is about to occur over the Rohingya issue or kick off a new “cold war’ with the old West pitched against the ex-socialist camp, it’s clear that the situation has become more fluid than it was before even six months.

The West is smarting from China’s trade surplus gathering and investment but the Rohingya issue gives it an opportunity to occupy the moral ground. It’s a layer of sugar laid over the trade war cake but its real and everything points to a Western initiative which China will not like.

India won’t like either but with the West as its firm ally, it can hide under the big tent. How much impact of this new China-West equation will have on the Rohingya crisis is another matter but China’s image as the new knight on the white steed fighting the Indian dragon in South Asia has taken a big hit.
https://southasianmonitor.com/2017/11/23/chinas-popularity-bangladesh-dips-bit-myanmar-issue/
 
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