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Bangladesh to reject China’s proposals on Rohingya crisis

Turkey has said they will pay for it.
They are contributing as they see it fit. China also sent few tons of tents i heard.
If Bangladesh sends the Rohingya back to Myanmar (as per Bangladesh's official policy) they will be killed. It's no different to killing them yourself.

But at least you will be paid by Modi.

BD will not send Rohingya without proper protection and security.
Once sanction kicks in, not only burmese but their grand daddy will fall in line.
Burmese savages thought they could use Su kyi to cover itself in the west to avert the repercussion but they failed. China is not powerful enough to grow MM alone. Combodia is also going down as far as I heard.
 
You are right, I apologize for saying bad things about your master Modi.



Turkey has said they will pay for it.

If Bangladesh sends the Rohingya back to Myanmar (as per Bangladesh's official policy) they will be killed. It's no different to killing them yourself.

But at least you will be paid by Modi.

Nice try to avoid responding a genuine question...Same thing can be said for others for whom, China is a master too...

Do you really believe that Turkey is going to pay for entire refugee of Rohngyas for ever? Are you really seriously believing it? Being an P5 nation, as China has relation with both Myanmar and BD, you could have abstained from the vote. THat shows, China even does not have a neutral opinion about this issue rather stands strongly with MYyanmar.

They are contributing as they see it fit. China also sent few tons of tents i heard.


BD will not send Rohingya without proper protection and security.
Once sanction kicks in, not only burmese but their grand daddy will fall in line.
Burmese savages thought they could use Su kyi to cover itself in the west to avert the repercussion but they failed. China is not powerful enough to grow MM alone. Combodia is also going down as far as I heard.

Your grossly overestimating the power of sanction by West...Myanmar and NK are the best allies of China and are sanctioned for long time by West? Did you think, it created any impact with their Gov? Absolutely nothing ...Because inspite of sanction Russia and China will supply whatever is needed at the time of sanction...It will not change anything in real term....

If any country has any real influence on country like Myanmar, it is China...Otherwise, trust me, BD will be providng asylum for those poor people for ever..No one expect China can force Myanmar to change its policy...
 
Burmese savages thought they could use Su kyi to cover itself in the west to avert the repercussion but they failed. China is not powerful enough to grow MM alone. Combodia is also going down as far as I heard.

Hmm I guess you guys forgot that it was the West who put Su Kyi's "democratic regime" into power in the first place. The same regime which is now hunting Rohingya.

Or maybe you didn't.

China is not powerful enough to grow MM alone. Combodia is also going down as far as I heard.

You are right. We never claimed to be a superpower, unlike your Modi's India.
 
Nice try to avoid responding a genuine question...Same thing can be said for others for whom, China is a master too...

Do you really believe that Turkey is going to pay for entire refugee of Rohngyas for ever? Are you really seriously believing it? Being an P5 nation, as China has relation with both Myanmar and BD, you could have abstained from the vote. THat shows, China even does not have a neutral opinion about this issue rather stands strongly with MYyanmar.
You have no clue about islamist. they work like communist. Turkish NGOs had been working on Rohingyas for ages. They have their own way of collecting and funding. They did great job in Somalia and still working.

Your grossly overestimating the power of sanction by West...Myanmar and NK are the best allies of China and are sanctioned for long time by West? Did you think, it created any impact with their Gov? Absolutely nothing
you grossly under estimate the sanction of west. Prime example is the differnece of per captia between north and south korea. We dont mind keeping the status que of MM so that it remains as $hit hole like before.

...Because inspite of sanction Russia and China will supply whatever is needed at the time of sanction...It will not change anything in real term....
China and Russia cant feed ordinary Burmese. They can send few guns here and there and take away resources at throw away price. We dont mind of that. We rather encourage China to do that.
If any country has any real influence on country like Myanmar, it is China...Otherwise, trust me, BD will be providng asylum for those poor people for ever..No one expect China can force Myanmar to change its policy...

If China wants to press its influence, MM will play west card or India card. So at the end of the day China wants to maintain a status que and reap the benefit at the expense of MM.
 
You have no clue about islamist. they work like communist. Turkish NGOs had been working on Rohingyas for ages. They have their own way of collecting and funding. They did great job in Somalia and still working.


you grossly under estimate the sanction of west. Prime example is the differnece of per captia between north and south korea. We dont mind keeping the status que of MM so that it remains as $hit hole like before.


China and Russia cant feed ordinary Burmese. They can send few guns here and there and take away resources at throw away price. We dont mind of that. We rather encourage China to do that.


If China wants to press its influence, MM will play west card or India card. So at the end of the day China wants to maintain a status que and reap the benefit at the expense of MM.

I agree with you. But you did not understand my point...Do you really think Myanmar and NK regime care about their citizens? If that is the case, Rohingya's would not be displaced from Myanmar...They are Army generals are not bothered about what the GDP of their own country....

China and Russia may not feed ordinary people..but they will keep on doing trading and kickbacks to army generals to be on power for long run..Again, NK and Myanmar are classic example.

I can understand your hatred for India to bring India into every issue...Do you really think India can replace China in the event of any loss of investemnt in Myanmar??? It is just a reason provided by China to protect their interest which lies with Army genrals of Myanmar....
 
Dear Brother, I think you are wrong here.

It is the Hassina (the whore of Modi) who is blame. Bangladesh didn't unite the Muslim world to fight these burmese monkeys, instead has added fuel to the fire by siding hindu india

China is simply looking out for its own interest



Have you gone insane!
The Buddhist terrorist monkeys will slaughter them once they set foot in Burma

Dear Brother, we are not going to send them back without ensuring their safety there. Even PM SHW proposed a safe zone inside Burma under UN supervision. Turkey is not going to pay their expenses forever,they are even facing large refugee problem.
 
China proposed three-phase plan for Rohingya issue
Reuters
Published at 10:00 AM November 20, 2017
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Rohingya refugees walk towards a refugee camp after crossing the border in Anjuman Para near Cox's Bazar, Bangladesh, November 19, 2017 Reuters
More than 600,000 Rohingya have fled to Bangladesh since late August from Myanmar’s Rakhine State
China has proposed a three-phase plan for resolving the Rohingya crisis, starting with a ceasefire, that has won the support of Myanmar and Bangladesh, the Foreign Ministry said.

More than 600,000 Muslim Rohingya have fled to Bangladesh since late August driven out by a military clearance operation in Buddhist majority Myanmar’s Rakhine State. The Rohingyas’ suffering has caused an international outcry.

Visiting the Myanmar capital Naypyitaw, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said China believed that the issue could be addressed by a solution acceptable to neighbours Myanmar and Bangladesh through consultations.

A ceasefire should be followed by bilateral dialogue to find a workable solution, the ministry website reported late on Sunday.
The third and final phase should be to work towards a long-term solution.


Wang said a ceasefire was basically in place already, and the key now was to prevent a flare-up. He hoped the two sides could soon sign and implement an agreement already reached on repatriation.

The international community and the United Nations Security Council should give encouragement and support to both countries “to create the necessary conditions and a good environment”, it quoted Wang as saying at a joint press conference with Aung San Suu Kyi, Myanmar’s de facto leader.

Myanmar was supportive of the Chinese plan, as was Bangladesh, where Wang visited earlier in the weekend. In Dhaka Wang said the international community should not complicate the situation.
http://www.dhakatribune.com/world/2017/11/20/china-proposed-three-phase-plan-rohingya-issue/
 
China proposed three-phase plan for Rohingya issue
Reuters
Published at 10:00 AM November 20, 2017
Rohingya-1-690x450.jpg

Rohingya refugees walk towards a refugee camp after crossing the border in Anjuman Para near Cox's Bazar, Bangladesh, November 19, 2017 Reuters
More than 600,000 Rohingya have fled to Bangladesh since late August from Myanmar’s Rakhine State

China has proposed a three-phase plan for resolving the Rohingya crisis, starting with a ceasefire, that has won the support of Myanmar and Bangladesh, the Foreign Ministry said.

More than 600,000 Muslim Rohingya have fled to Bangladesh since late August driven out by a military clearance operation in Buddhist majority Myanmar’s Rakhine State. The Rohingyas’ suffering has caused an international outcry.

Visiting the Myanmar capital Naypyitaw, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said China believed that the issue could be addressed by a solution acceptable to neighbours Myanmar and Bangladesh through consultations.

A ceasefire should be followed by bilateral dialogue to find a workable solution, the ministry website reported late on Sunday.
The third and final phase should be to work towards a long-term solution.


Wang said a ceasefire was basically in place already, and the key now was to prevent a flare-up. He hoped the two sides could soon sign and implement an agreement already reached on repatriation.

The international community and the United Nations Security Council should give encouragement and support to both countries “to create the necessary conditions and a good environment”, it quoted Wang as saying at a joint press conference with Aung San Suu Kyi, Myanmar’s de facto leader.

Myanmar was supportive of the Chinese plan, as was Bangladesh, where Wang visited earlier in the weekend. In Dhaka Wang said the international community should not complicate the situation.
http://www.dhakatribune.com/world/2017/11/20/china-proposed-three-phase-plan-rohingya-issue/

So no actual solution, just vague terms. Muddying the waters and trying to get rid of the interntional community.
 
Your women got a good in and out from Pakistan army (and they loved it) and then they accepted the same from Indian army (which they loved too) (and we came to gentleman's agreement with each other to not let the cucks have any say on post-war situation/resolution given they were emotionally triggered by their own ludicrous claims and still are it seems)....esp after they (BD women) saw 3 million of their cucks get turned into fertilizer.

Both sets (Pak + Ind army) spawned you confused lot today who don't know their real daddies and grand-daddies lol....and you wonder why you cannot remove the remote control from their (women) hands :D....you live to serve your women, and those women in turn enjoy real men company given the chance ok? That's again your inherent nature coming through.

No one forgets the stories of precisely how (how and why and time involved) the Eastern Bengalis converted to Islam in huge contrast to any other place in the whole world too (again given your inherent nature manifesting again)....and now you think you have the gall to try discredit those that stuck to original culture and faith? There is after all a reason why the scrawny, ugly, soon to be deported by ICE for visa overstay, bilal always says "mlechha this and that" to try offend others....he after all has to look in mirror each day and see the vastly inferior inherited and propagated reality of Eastern Bengal looking back at him.

250,000 Chinese tourists visited India last year, how many visited "Bang"-la-desh? How many tourists world over visited BD? How many people even know BD to begin with?...I mean do BD people in UK run "Bangladeshi" restaurant in the title....or have they realised doing so keeps them way worse in the poverty that permeates them to the tune of 60%...and thus resort to a more alpha country name...even though its not theirs?

And a person from such place like this (some 100 Chinese tourists visiting probably after playing "spin the globe, eyes closed", and none will return back guaranteed, if they even make it past the Dhaka airport stench) pretends to talk for all Chinese or have any viable credibility on subcontinent history. Eastern Bengal (delta) is basically one big open toilet,...always has been, always will be.... every nasty flotsam and jetsam has flown down, gathered and accumulated...producing a legacy of stunted IQ (even when they have fled to other corners of the world) that get cucked time and time again. Only such kind of people can proudly trumpet 3 million of their fellow cucks got slaughtered as a big victory....and worship and submit to their women, who worship and submit to real men in turn. Its a cruel hierarchy, but you seem to enjoy being at the bottom so you can play who can delude the best with each other.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pmo-...ours-to-use-mongla.448625/page-2#post-8676360

hahahhahahahah you are slaves of slaves of slaves . @Imran Khan

:rofl:
 
Why a bilateral solution won’t work
Tribune Editorial
Published at 06:44 PM November 19, 2017
Last updated at 12:26 AM November 20, 2017
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China’s proposal for bilateral talks between Bangladesh and Myanmar without getting the international community involved makes no sense
When dealing with a humanitarian crisis, the consensus of the international community is key.

Which is why, after consistently blocking the UN Security Council on any meaningful resolution to the Rohingya crisis, China’s latest proposal for a bilateral solution between Bangladesh and Myanmar — with the caveat that the international community stay out of it — is hard to take seriously.

We have already said at the start of the month, when Suu Kyi made a similar suggestion, that such a proposal appears to be — at best — a poorly cloaked attempt at cornering Bangladesh and attempting to strong-arm us into accepting an unacceptable and damaging status quo.

At worst, it is a cynical ploy to buy further time to complete the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya.

To believe that such a proposal is placed out of concern for the humanitarian crisis that that has been perpetrated by Myanmar strains credulity.

Given their public mendacity, intransigence, and brutality, it is difficult to believe that Myanmar will negotiate in good faith.

They have refused to budge from an outdated 1993 agreement on repatriation, which didn’t work then, and certainly won’t work now.

Our prime minister is, therefore, absolutely right to reject China’s new proposal, which appears to be little more than an attempt to provide cover for Myanmar at the expense of Bangladesh
.

China’s proposal for bilateral talks between Bangladesh and Myanmar without getting the international community involved makes no sense.
Given Myanmar’s record, international pressure is the only way to get Myanmar to play ball, and everybody knows it
.
Let us not waste our time.
http://www.dhakatribune.com/opinion/editorial/2017/11/19/bilateral-solution-wont-work/
 
Why a bilateral solution won’t work
Tribune Editorial
Published at 06:44 PM November 19, 2017
Last updated at 12:26 AM November 20, 2017
china-myanmar-690x450.gif

China’s proposal for bilateral talks between Bangladesh and Myanmar without getting the international community involved makes no sense
When dealing with a humanitarian crisis, the consensus of the international community is key.

Which is why, after consistently blocking the UN Security Council on any meaningful resolution to the Rohingya crisis, China’s latest proposal for a bilateral solution between Bangladesh and Myanmar — with the caveat that the international community stay out of it — is hard to take seriously.

We have already said at the start of the month, when Suu Kyi made a similar suggestion, that such a proposal appears to be — at best — a poorly cloaked attempt at cornering Bangladesh and attempting to strong-arm us into accepting an unacceptable and damaging status quo.

At worst, it is a cynical ploy to buy further time to complete the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya.

To believe that such a proposal is placed out of concern for the humanitarian crisis that that has been perpetrated by Myanmar strains credulity.

Given their public mendacity, intransigence, and brutality, it is difficult to believe that Myanmar will negotiate in good faith.

They have refused to budge from an outdated 1993 agreement on repatriation, which didn’t work then, and certainly won’t work now.

Our prime minister is, therefore, absolutely right to reject China’s new proposal, which appears to be little more than an attempt to provide cover for Myanmar at the expense of Bangladesh
.

China’s proposal for bilateral talks between Bangladesh and Myanmar without getting the international community involved makes no sense.
Given Myanmar’s record, international pressure is the only way to get Myanmar to play ball, and everybody knows it
.
Let us not waste our time.
http://www.dhakatribune.com/opinion/editorial/2017/11/19/bilateral-solution-wont-work/


100% agree.

Barmans are savage animals and China is their Number 1 backer. Neither can be trusted on the Rohingya issue.

International community needs to get involved if this is to work, otherwise BD will impose it's will on the tiny and fractious Myanmarese "country".
 
One thing that most overlooked - good part of Chinese anti Bangladesh stand came as reaction to ruling awami league and Hasina's denial for Deep sea port. Now Bangladeshis are suffering from Hasina and ruling awami league indian subservient policy.

For current situation China directly and indirectly sided with Buddhist terrorism and their leader Gen Hlaing, Suu Kyi and genocidal leadership. It is stark contrast, China label of Dali lama and his peaceful activities as terrorism. Chinese position utterly lacks moral or political standing.

That being said, Bangladesh can create new facts on the ground without any military means that will compete with Chinese undertakings in Myanmar and in many respect will make China depend on Bangladesh undertakings. Problem is ruling Awami league will not and incapable of creating such facts.
 
One thing that most overlooked - good part of Chinese anti Bangladesh stand came as reaction to ruling awami league and Hasina's denial for Deep sea port. Now Bangladeshis are suffering from Hasina and ruling awami league indian subservient policy.

For current situation China directly and indirectly sided with Buddhist terrorism and their leader Gen Hlaing, Suu Kyi and genocidal leadership. It is stark contrast, China label of Dali lama and his peaceful activities as terrorism. Chinese position utterly lacks moral or political standing.

That being said, Bangladesh can create new facts on the ground without any military means that will compete with Chinese undertakings in Myanmar and in many respect will make China depend on Bangladesh undertakings. Problem is ruling Awami league will not and incapable of creating such facts.

No strategic asset to any country. We should build port by ourselves. Hire a contractor, start from small and expand with the income generated. The way our ancestor built the Chittagong port. We can do it again.
In Rakhine China only offered 15% of the share to the burmese. Later with immense pressure from Su Ki, they agreed for 30% only. Do you want this kind of deal with China?
 
2:00 AM, November 21, 2017 / LAST MODIFIED: 12:24 AM, November 21, 2017
Rohingyas' dignified return to their homeland
An agreement between Bangladesh and Myanmar which only deals with repatriation of Rohingyas but does not guarantee their rights and security as citizens of Myanmar will risk the recurrence of the latter's ethnic cleansing campaign
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Rohingya refugees queue for relief aid at Nayapara refugee camp in Teknaf on October 21, 2017. Photo: Tauseef Mustafa/AFP
Farhaan Uddin Ahmed
Negotiations are ongoing between the governments of Bangladesh and Myanmar to formulate a plan to repatriate the Rohingyas who have sought refuge in Bangladesh fleeing the atrocities perpetrated by the Myanmar military. The major point of contention between the two governments is most likely to be the criteria for deciding who is eligible to be repatriated and who is not, i.e. the standard of proof that an individual was a legitimate inhabitant of Rakhine State in Myanmar.

The Myanmar government no doubt intends to set strict criteria so as to deny repatriation to as many Rohingyas as possible. Since the citizenship law in Myanmar disenfranchises the Rohingyas by denying them citizenship, it is quite unlikely that they would be able to produce any credible document to prove that they are former residents of Rakhine. Further aggravating this problem is the fact that most of the refugees while fleeing the atrocities have left everything behind in Rakhine and many of their homes and villages have been burned to the ground. Therefore, the issue of setting the appropriate criteria of eligibility would be a major impediment to the finalisation and successful implementation of a repatriation plan.

Myanmar could also intentionally drag on the negotiations until the issue loses relevance thus prolonging the crisis. Bangladesh and the international community must continue to exert pressure with increasing intensity on the government of Myanmar to resolve the crisis.

The aim of this piece is to explore whether the repatriation of the Rohingyas to Myanmar in and of itself would effectively resolve the crisis in the long-term from the perspective of Rohingyas and Bangladesh. Although the best possible means to resolve the crisis still seems to be the establishment of a United Nations Interim Administration in Rakhine, an agreement between the governments of Bangladesh and Myanmar supported by the international community may be able to successfully resolve the crisis.

From the perspective of Rohingyas and Bangladesh, any plan of action or agreement must ensure that the Rohingyas are duly conferred citizenship of Myanmar and accorded rights and treatment as legitimate citizens, so that they can rebuild their lives in Rakhine, and the assurance that the Myanmar government would never engage in another such brutal campaign is also necessary.

Without these guarantees, it is highly likely that the Myanmar military may restart its ethnic cleansing campaign with greater intensity as and when the pressure from the international community eases and it may inconspicuously and strategically continue to depopulate Rakhine State of the Rohingyas so as not to draw attention to its atrocities.


Rohingyas have been seeking refuge in Bangladesh since the 1980s and Bangladesh couldn't do much about it. A steady trickle of refugees over decades does not garner the same reaction or sympathy in the international community as does a mass exodus in the short span of two months. Therefore, in the future, steady streams of Rohingya refugees from Myanmar will not muster enough international support to stop Myanmar's depopulating campaign.

Therefore, an agreement which only deals with the issue of repatriation but does not guarantee the rights, safety, and security of the Rohingyas will not “resolve” the crisis and risks its recurrence in the future. In order to conclusively resolve the crisis and ensure peace, the agreement should not only deal with repatriation but also rehabilitation of the Rohingyas in Rakhine State, restitution of their lands, their reintegration into society and politics, and of course, grant of citizenship and all the complementary rights.

The agreement must guarantee humanitarian aid agencies and organisations, including the United Nations, unfettered access to Rakhine State. It must also establish an international commission which will oversee and monitor full implementation of the agreement and ensure that the international community continues to be a stakeholder in the process, so that on the off chance that the agreement falls through, the international community will have a responsibility to act accordingly.

It needs to be understood that, at present, Myanmar is being given a bitter pill to swallow. As such, it is up to Bangladesh and the rest of the world to ensure that it cures the Rohingyas of their plight. As long as Rohingyas are persecuted in Myanmar, Bangladesh will continue to bear the brunt.
Farhaan Uddin Ahmed is a researcher of international law and legal theory, and lecturer at the School of Law, BRAC University.
Email: farhaan17@gmail.com
http://www.thedailystar.net/opinion/human-rights/rohingyas-dignified-return-their-homeland-1494088
 
One thing that most overlooked - good part of Chinese anti Bangladesh stand came as reaction to ruling awami league and Hasina's denial for Deep sea port. Now Bangladeshis are suffering from Hasina and ruling awami league indian subservient policy.

For current situation China directly and indirectly sided with Buddhist terrorism and their leader Gen Hlaing, Suu Kyi and genocidal leadership. It is stark contrast, China label of Dali lama and his peaceful activities as terrorism. Chinese position utterly lacks moral or political standing.

That being said, Bangladesh can create new facts on the ground without any military means that will compete with Chinese undertakings in Myanmar and in many respect will make China depend on Bangladesh undertakings. Problem is ruling Awami league will not and incapable of creating such facts.


I must admit the port plan may have had an impact on Chinese descision. However if we look at our relationship since the 70s it's a mere blip on the ground. I have to say I don't think Chinese position would have been different if the port did not go to the japs. Chinese interaction in Burma is quite significant and it is China's client state.

Whilst I am a proponent of good relationship with china I would always urge that we do not become too reliant on any country and as such cooperating with many countries would be my preferred way to go.

Bangladesh is alone, its foreign and economic policy needs to reflect that.

What the rohingya crisis has shown is that our armed forces are massively deficient and our diplomatic posture is profoundly confused.
 

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