Bangladesh Navy

[BDforever]

Range of 2,000 nautical miles (3,704km)

well that sucks, that is big drawback, Amphibious Assault ships have average 10,000nm range. (should be that kind of range)
in this case i would prefer Makassar class

 

[Bilal9]

well that sucks, that is big drawback, Amphibious Assault ships have average 10,000nm range. (should be that kind of range)
in this case i would prefer Makassar class

I think the Indonesian vessel may be short legged or I could have the wrong information.

As far as 10,000 NM range you're probably talking about a much larger vessel. Probably USN San Antonio class LHD or the Chinese equivalent.

5200 ton vessels like Chinese or Indonesian LST's don't have that long a range. The need to project power needs to be in the immediate vicinity of a nation. Sometimes re-supply ships can add fuel en route.

The Chinese 072a LST has a published range at 3000 NM @ 14Kt but actual range is probably longer and classified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_072A_landing_ship

 

[BDforever]

I think the Indonesian vessel may be short legged or I could have the wrong information.

As far as 10,000 NM range you're probably talking about a much larger vessel. Probably USN San Antonio class LHD or the Chinese equivalent.

5200 ton vessels like Chinese or Indonesian LST's don't have that long a range. The need to project power needs to be in the immediate vicinity of a nation.

Most of the LPD has 10,000NM+ range, that is what LPD for, carrying troops in long distance. Makassar is good choice at around $50 million/ unit.

 

[Bilal9]

Most of the LPD has 10,000NM+ range, that is what LPD for, carrying troops in long distance. Makassar is good choice at around $50 million/ unit.

I'd be interested in the scenario these could be used in. Maybe UN troop deployments?

 

[BDforever]

I'd be interested in the scenario these could be used in. Maybe UN troop deployments?

UN troop deployments+ Blue water Navy (that is the vision)

 

[Avisheik]

I'd be interested in the scenario these could be used in. Maybe UN troop deployments?

I find it really hard to see a a lpd in UN deployments. We are there for peacekeeping not for an offensive operation. LPD is used for rapid deployment in order to take position in enemy territory, UN missions are more like flying to the conflict zone to keep the civilian population safe and to encourage dialogue between two factions.

 

[syed1]

Bangladesh Navy’s Somudra Avijan returns home

Senior Correspondent bdnews24.com

Published: 2016-04-28 22:33:40.0 BdST Updated: 2016-04-28 22:33:40.0 BdST

‘Somudra Avijan’, one of Bangladesh Navy’s largest frigates, has returned to Chittagong port after participating in naval exercises in Indonesia.

The ship left Bangladesh on Apr 4 and took part in three multilateral exercises before it retuned on Thursday.

On its way back to Bangladesh, it paid a goodwill visit to Klang port in Malaysia, the Navy said.


http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2016/04/28/bangladesh-navys-somudra-avijan-returns-home

 

[syed1]

BNS Somudra Avijan in Malaysia

http://www.malaysia1news.my/portal/video/21561

 

[mb444]

I find it really hard to see a a lpd in UN deployments. We are there for peacekeeping not for an offensive operation. LPD is used for rapid deployment in order to take position in enemy territory, UN missions are more like flying to the conflict zone to keep the civilian population safe and to encourage dialogue between two factions.

I completely agree. I do not see any real need for these. UN mission is a ridiculous proposition. BN first priority would be to increase its surface fleet and arm everything will medium to long range missiles, secondly action missile based costal defense, induct potent submarine fleet and lastly induct maritime fighters.... After that think about a heli carrier maybe.... But in my mind these are white elephants ..... For bd we need a navy that has large potent surface fleet with air cover backed up by a submarine force which makes the possibility of a blockade impossible. Before we think of force projection we need to secure Bay of Bengal.

 

[Penguin]

well that sucks, that is big drawback, Amphibious Assault ships have average 10,000nm range. (should be that kind of range)
in this case i would prefer Makassar class

As with aircraft refuelling in flight, shorter legged ships just need to take on fuel more frequently at sea, so require and AOR or tanker capability to be available.

I so wish the Bangladesh navy and coast guard would exchange some ships. Navy is operating ex UK OPVs and Coast Guard ex Italian corvettes. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[BDforever]

As with aircraft refuelling in flight, shorter legged ships just need to take on fuel more frequently at sea, so require and AOR or tanker capability to be available.

I so wish the Bangladesh navy and coast guard would exchange some ships. Navy is operating ex UK OPVs and Coast Guard ex Italian corvettes. It just doesn't make sense.

1. Almost unarmed Italian corvette for CG but rearmed UK OPV for Navy which have more firepower.

 

[Penguin]

1. Almost unarmed Italian corvette for CG but rearmed UK OPV for Navy which have more firepower.

Yeah, but the Chinese 76mm gun and missiles mounted on the 2 ex-UK Castle OPVs can easily be mounted on the Italian FS's, which where designed to take not only the Oto 76mm but also 2x2 big Otomat antiship missiles. If the ex-Italian ships are not fitted with a helideck, then they can take an 8-round HQ-7/FM-90 launcher or FL-3000N in the rear where they used to mount an 8-round Mk29 NATO GWLS for Aspide. Or you could plate over the rear to provide a heli-deck and stick FL-3000N where the Aspide director used to be. They are also designed to take ASW tubes for light weight torpedoes. In short, you can very quickly provide them with armaent and sensor fit similar to the corvettes bought from China. Besides, I have read that the CG will get 4 (i.e. 2 more) ex-Italian corvettes. Also, I could well see a situation where the Castle OPVs remain with the navy, and the Minerva's are added. Presently, five ex-UK Island-class patrol vessels - armed only with a 30mm or 40mm cannon - are in active service with the Bangladesh Navy: these could be transferred to the CG.

Her never built but comtemporary design bigger sister: FS-1700 (with hangar)

 

[BDforever]

Yeah, but the Chinese 76mm gun and missiles mounted on the 2 ex-UK Castle OPVs can easily be mounted on the Italian FS's, which where designed to take not only the Oto 76mm but also 2x2 big Otomat antiship missiles. If the ex-Italian ships are not fitted with a helideck, then they can take an 8-round HQ-7/FM-90 launcher or FL-3000N in the rear where they used to mount an 8-round Mk29 NATO GWLS for Aspide. Or you could plate over the rear to provide a heli-deck and stick FL-3000N where the Aspide director used to be. They are also designed to take ASW tubes for light weight torpedoes. In short, you can very quickly provide them with armaent and sensor fit similar to the corvettes bought from China. Besides, I have read that the CG will get 4 (i.e. 2 more) ex-Italian corvettes. Also, I could well see a situation where the Castle OPVs remain with the navy, and the Minerva's are added. Presently, five ex-UK Island-class patrol vessels - armed only with a 30mm or 40mm cannon - are in active service with the Bangladesh Navy: these could be transferred to the CG.

Her never built but comtemporary design bigger sister: FS-1700 (with hangar)

i think BN is also considering operational range, Italian corvette has 6,500km range while UK OPV has 17,600km range and yes Island class should be transferred to CG as BN is building Padma class for similar role.
I have question for you, is it possible to use USCG cutter as amphibious assault ship for troop transport which Bangladesh have gotten recently ?

 

[Penguin]

i think BN is also considering operational range, Italian corvette has 6,500km range while UK OPV has 17,600km range and yes Island class should be transferred to CG as BN is building Padma class for similar role.
I have question for you, is it possible to use USCG cutter as amphibious assault ship for troop transport which Bangladesh have gotten recently ?

Apples and oranges:
Minerva class: 3,510 nmi (6,500 km) at 18 knots
Castle class: 10,000 nmi (18,520 km) at 10 knots

A Caseopia class OPV does 3,300 nmi (6,100 km; 3,800 mi) at 17 knots
A Sirio class OPV does 3,300 nautical miles (6,100 km; 3,800 mi) at 17 knots
A Lupo class frigate does 4,300 nmi (8,000 km) at 16 kn
A Meastrale class frigate does 6,000 nmi (11,000 km; 6,900 mi) at 15 kn

So, bet you that if you sail the Minerva at 10 knots, it gets lots more km / nmi.

No, the Hamilton class WHEC cannot be used as amphibious assault transport.

Unless you want to come up with a thing like they did in WW2, based on a Rudderow class destroyer-escort (frigate) and reclassified as a Crosley-class high-speed transport.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/04/04idx.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ray_K._Edwards_(APD-96)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosley-class_high_speed_transport

Troop Capacity 3 officers144 enlisted

• Boats four LCP(L) landing craft

Amphibious Assault Transport Dock = LPD

 

[sahureka2]

Yeah, but the Chinese 76mm gun and missiles mounted on the 2 ex-UK Castle OPVs can easily be mounted on the Italian FS's, which where designed to take not only the Oto 76mm but also 2x2 big Otomat antiship missiles. If the ex-Italian ships are not fitted with a helideck, then they can take an 8-round HQ-7/FM-90 launcher or FL-3000N in the rear where they used to mount an 8-round Mk29 NATO GWLS for Aspide. Or you could plate over the rear to provide a heli-deck and stick FL-3000N where the Aspide director used to be. They are also designed to take ASW tubes for light weight torpedoes. In short, you can very quickly provide them with armaent and sensor fit similar to the corvettes bought from China. Besides, I have read that the CG will get 4 (i.e. 2 more) ex-Italian corvettes. Also, I could well see a situation where the Castle OPVs remain with the navy, and the Minerva's are added. Presently, five ex-UK Island-class patrol vessels - armed only with a 30mm or 40mm cannon - are in active service with the Bangladesh Navy: these could be transferred to the CG.

I think it's the most logical thing to do, Minerva to the Navy and ex-UK Island-class patrol vessels for Coast Guard
I want to remember that the class Minerva also had a Sonar for ASW search.
When in Italy I learned of the sale of the Minerva, I had made the assumption of various hypotheses of change.