Bangladesh Navy

[Kailash Rava]

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The Baap of Bay of Bengal.

Sorry but the baap of bay of Bengal is this

BN has issued a tender for the procurement of two helicopters with anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface vessel warfare (ASuW), over-the-horizon targeting (OTHT), maritime search and rescue (MSAR), medical evacuation (MEDEVAC), casualty evacuation (CASEVAC) and special mission capabilities. The helicopters will be inducted in 2017.


Which helo it will b?

 

[Nilgiri]

Sorry but the baap of bay of Bengal is this
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BN has issued a tender for the procurement of two helicopters with anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface vessel warfare (ASuW), over-the-horizon targeting (OTHT), maritime search and rescue (MSAR), medical evacuation (MEDEVAC), casualty evacuation (CASEVAC) and special mission capabilities. The helicopters will be inducted in 2017.


Which helo it will b?

Kolkata class is the new Baap. Delhi class always out-baaped rajput class too.

 

[Kailash Rava]

Kolkata class is the new Baap. Delhi class always out-baaped rajput class too.

Kolkata class destroyer is the baab of all in south Asia.
We were talking about eastern fleet.
In bay of Bengal only INS Jalashwa ,5 rajput class destroyer, 4kora class corvettes, and 3 godavari class frigate are present.

 

[Nilgiri]

Kolkata class destroyer is the baab of all in south Asia.
We were talking about eastern fleet.
In bay of Bengal only INS Jalashwa ,5 rajput class destroyer, 4kora class corvettes, and 3 godavari class frigate are present.

Thats just their home stations. Area of operations for destroyers and frigates extend to bay of bengal too even if their home port is on the west coast. They are present there when needed too like a baap.

 

[Bilal9]

Sorry but the baap of bay of Bengal is this
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BN has issued a tender for the procurement of two helicopters with anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface vessel warfare (ASuW), over-the-horizon targeting (OTHT), maritime search and rescue (MSAR), medical evacuation (MEDEVAC), casualty evacuation (CASEVAC) and special mission capabilities. The helicopters will be inducted in 2017.


Which helo it will b?

An 80's era forty plus year old Kashin class rust-bucket destroyer with equally 80's vintage Alouette helo. Complete with 80's vintage noisy/loud soviet electronics. About the only thing contemporary in this floating fossil are the four Brahmos missiles and an assortment of shorter range 'indigenous' missiles. Large does not mean modern. There is a reason why your Eastern command keeps these Kashin rust buckets patrolling in the BoB, because the threat is minimal with friendly navies around.

Without descending into trolling - please humor us in knowing how this is better than BNS Bangabandhu. Please open a separate thread as this thread is for BN topics only.

Kolkata class destroyer is the baab of all in south Asia.
We were talking about eastern fleet.
In bay of Bengal only INS Jalashwa ,5 rajput class destroyer, 4kora class corvettes, and 3 godavari class frigate are present.

INS Jalashwa is a Bheekh-mangey donation from the USA, we've got a few better ones ourselves (two Hamilton class), but they are training platforms instead of proud standard bearers like in the Indian Navy.

Please refrain from posting non-BN Off-topic items in this thread.

 

[Nilgiri]

Without descending into trolling - please humor us in knowing how this is better than BNS Bangabandhu.

Lets get @Penguin to do a short analysis if he feels like it, since you obviously wouldn't believe any Indian analysis.

Rajput class destroyer versus Frigate Khalidbinwaled....err bangabandhu....to be khalidbinwaled again sometime....and then bangabandhu....

Sort of sad trying to have a frigate take on a destroyer...esp given it wont be going one on one either but having to contend with at least 2 or 3 backed by Indian naval C4I which is several magnitudes larger and more developed than BD's glorified coastguard that it labels a navy.....if its even out at sea in the first place (sucks being just 1 ship )

 

[Kailash Rava]

An 80's era forty plus year old Kashin class rust-bucket destroyer with equally 80's vintage Alouette helo. Complete with 80's vintage noisy/loud soviet electronics. About the only thing contemporary in this floating fossil are the four Brahmos missiles and an assortment of shorter range 'indigenous' missiles. Large does not mean modern. There is a reason why your Eastern command keeps these Kashin rust buckets patrolling in the BoB, because the threat is minimal with friendly navies around.

Without descending into trolling - please humor us in knowing how this is better than BNS Bangabandhu. Please open a separate thread as this thread is for BN topics only.



INS Jalashwa is a Bheekh-mangey donation from the USA, we've got a few better ones ourselves (two Hamilton class), but they are training platforms instead of proud standard bearers like in the Indian Navy.

Please refrain from posting non-BN Off-topic items in this thread.

That 80's. Vintage is enough for BOB dominance..
It has more fire power then ur bangabandhu

INS Jalashwa is a Bheekh-mangey donation from the USA, we've got a few better ones ourselves (two Hamilton class), but they are training platforms instead of proud standard bearers like in the Indian Navy.

Please refrain from posting non-BN Off-topic items in this thread

Bheek mangey donations???? You knw it better then us. Should I Give u the list on donations ur military gets.

FYI- we bought the jalaswa ..
And u r comparing ur Hamilton cutter hardly (3250tons) with the 16000 tons amphibious ship? Lol

 

[masud]

It,s look like PLN navy personal will present in those Traing vassels for now and for future upcoming chines assets too. Opps.... Don,t panic our Indian Brother "Those are for only training perposes only". ......

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

Type 035Gs are old.... new toys are must to play new games........

it seems that our bulky neighbours are sweating even under water with the prospects of changing games in the Indian Ocean.... oh, and they thought we were only talking about the Bay of Bengal??.... ouch!!....

the interesting fact is that the game's key is not in their hands.... ouch again!!

 

[Penguin]

Lets get @Penguin to do a short analysis if he feels like it, since you obviously wouldn't believe any Indian analysis.

Rajput class destroyer versus Frigate Khalidbinwaled....err bangabandhu....to be khalidbinwaled again sometime....and then bangabandhu....

BNS Bangabandhu
Displacement:2400-2500 tons
Length: 103.7 m (340 ft)
Beam: 12.5 m (41 ft)
Draught: 3.8 m (12 ft)
Propulsion: CODAD: 4 SEMT-Pielstick 12V PA6V280 STC diesels; 22,501 hp (16.779 MW) sustained; 2 × shafts
Speed: 25 knots (46 km/h)
Range: 4,000 nautical miles (7,400 km) "at economical speed" (likely 18kn).
Complement: 186 (16 officers)
Sensors and processing systems:

• DA08 (SPQ-501/RAWS03) E/F (= S) band medium range (200km/110nm) 2D air search/surveillance radar
  
• Kelvin Hughes 1007 I-band navigation radar
• LIROD Mk-2 K-band TWT fire control radar for gun CIWS (36km instrumented range limit)
  
• VARIANT short/medium range X/C-band 2D air/surface search/surveillance radar (air: 120km, surface: 70km)
• MIRADOR 4 sensor electro-optical surveillance, tracking and fire-control system (40km laser range limit)
  
• Type 345 J-band missile fire control system (radar w. EO sensors), range 18km (AShM) to 30km (aircraft)
  • equivalent Thomson-CSF Castor CTM
• ASO-90/ DSQS-21 Mod Sonar
• Link Y Mk2 communication

Electronic warfare & decoys:

• ESM:Racal Cutlass 242; intercept
• ECM:Racal Scorpion 2; jammer
• Decoy: 2 x 15-tube SLQ-261 torpedo acoustic countermeasures

Armament:

• 2 × 4 Otomat Mk2 Block IV AShM (180+km, GPS, sea/land attack, terminal evasive manoeuvring, re-attack);
• 1 × 8 FM-90N SAM (700-15km range, 15–6,000 m altitude, Mach 2.3 = 750 m/s, CLOS);
• 1 × OtoMelara 76 mm/62 Super Rapid (120rpm, 16-20km range, 915 m/s, 6.3kg shell);
• 2 × Otobreda twin 40 mm/70 Dardo (600 rpm combined, 4km effective range (8.7 max), 1,000 m/s);
• 2 x triple 324 mm B-515 tubes - Whitehead A244S lightweight ASW torpedoes;
• 2 × Super Barricade chaff launchers

Aircraft carried: 1 × Hangar, 1 ×AgustaWestland AW109 SAR Helicopter

Rajput class
Displacement: 4,974 tonnes full load
Length: 147 m (482 ft)
Beam: 15.8 m (52 ft)
Draught: 5 m (16 ft)
Propulsion: 4 x gas turbine engines; 2 shafts, 72,000 hp (54,000 kW)
Speed: 35 knots (65 km/h)
Range:

• 4,000 mi (6,400 km) at 18 knots (33 km/h)
• 2,600 miles (4,200 km) at 30 knots (56 km/h)

Complement: 320 (including 35 officers)

Sensors and processing systems:

• Command & Control: an Italian combat data system compatible with Selenia IPN-10 is installed.
  
• Navigation: 2 x Volga (NATO: Don Kay) radar at I-band frequency,
• Air:
  
  • 1 x MP-500 Kliver (NATO: Big Net-A) C-band air search/surveillance radar (100nm; 183km), REPLACED IN ALL BY
    
  • 1 x Bharat RAWL-02 (Signaal/Thales LW-08) D-band air search/surveillance radar (140nm; 260km) (Rajput, Rana, Ranjit, Ranvir, Ranvijay),
• Air/Surface:
  
  • 1 x MR-310U Angara (NATO: Head Net-C) E-band air/surface search radar (70nm; 128 km) (Rana, Ranjit), OR
    
  • 1 x EL/M-2238 3D Surveillance & Threat Alert Radar (STAR) I-band air/surface search radar. (150+ km) (Rajput, Ranvir, Ranvijay)
• Fire control:
  • 1 (Ranvir, Ranvijay) or 2 (Rajput, Rana, Ranjit) 4R90 Yatagan II (NATO: Peel Group) E/I-band missile tracking/control radar (CWI; 40nm; 73 km).
  • AND
    
    • 2 x MR-123 X-band Multipurpose Naval Artillery Fire Control System (45km) (Rajput, Rana, Ranjit), OR
    • 2 x EL/M-2221 Search, Track & Guidance/Gunnery Radar (STGR), X/Ka-band radar + EO/L (30km) (Ranvir, Ranvijay)
• Communication: Inmarsat (all)
  
• Sonar:
  
  • 1 x hull mounted Vycheda MG-311 (NATO: Wolf Paw) sonar, REPLACED IN ALL by Bharat HUMSA in MLR,
    
  • AND
    
  • 1 x Vyega MG-325 (NATO: Mare Tail) variable depth sonar

Electronic warfare & decoys:

EW suites vary for each ship. INS Rajput has an Ajanta EW (Electronic Warfare) suite. Ranvir and Ranvijay have SEWS V5. Some have USSR systems. Russina chaff launchers are still used.​

Armament:

• Anti-ship missiles:
  • 4 × 2 Brahmos supersonic missiles (120-300 km; supersonic) (Rajput) , OR
    
  • 4 × 1 SS-N-2D Styx AShM missiles (45nm; 83 km at 0.9 Mach) (Rana, Ranjit), OR
    
  • 8 × 1 Brahmos (VLS) (120-300 km; supersonic) plus 4 x 1 SS-N-2D Styx AShM missiles (45nm; 83 km at 0.9 Mach) (Ranvir, Ranvijay)
• Air-defence:
  • 2 × S-125M (NATO: SA-N-1 GOA) SAM launchers (44, SARH, 17nm;31.5km, Mach 2+) (Rajput, Rana, Ranjit),
    
  • OR
    
  • 1 × S-125M (NATO: SA-N-1GOA) SAM launchers (22, SARH, 17nm;31.5km, Mach 2+) (Ranvir, Ranvijay), AND
    
  • 2 × 2 Barak-1 SAM 8-cell VLS (32, CLOS, 12km, Mach 2.1; 720 m/s)(Ranvir, Ranvijay)
• Guns:
  • 1 × twin 76 mm (3 in) AK-726 gun (90 rpm combined, 15.7km range, 980 m/s, 5.9kg shell), OR
    
  • 1 × OtoMelara 76 mm/62 Super Rapid (120rpm, 16-20km range, 915 m/s, 6.3kg shell) (Ranvir);
    
  • AND
    
  • 4 × 30 mm AK-230 CIWS (30mmx210, 2100 rpm combined, 4km effective range, 1050 m/s, 0.27-0.35kg shell) (Rajput and Rana), OR
  • 4 × 30 mm AK-630M CIWS (30mmx165, 5000 rpm, 4km effective range, 900 m/s, 0.39kg shell) (Ranjit), OR
  • 2 × 30 mm AK-630M CIWS (30mmx165, 5000 rpm, 4km effective range, 900 m/s, 0.39kg shell) (Ranvir, Ranvijay)
• Anti-submarine:
  • 1 × 533 mm PTA 533 quintuple torpedo tube launcher for SET-65KE (ASW active/passive homing, 8.1nm;15 km, 40kn, 205kg warhead) and Type 53-65 (ASuW wake homing, 10.3nm;19km, 45 knots, 305kg warhead) torpedoes
    
  • 2 × RBU-6000 anti-submarine mortars (2x 12 tubes, range 6000m, max target engagement depth 500 meters. 31 kg warhead. Large magazine for each RBU-6000. Gravitational homing warhead available)

Aircraft carried:

• 1 x HAL Chetak helicopter (Rajput, Rana, Ranjit), OR
  
• 1 x Ka-28 helicopter (Ranvir, Ranvijay)

An 80's era forty plus year old Kashin class rust-bucket destroyer with equally 80's vintage Alouette helo. Complete with 80's vintage noisy/loud soviet electronics. About the only thing contemporary in this floating fossil are the four Brahmos missiles and an assortment of shorter range 'indigenous' missiles. Large does not mean modern. There is a reason why your Eastern command keeps these Kashin rust buckets patrolling in the BoB, because the threat is minimal with friendly navies around.

Without descending into trolling - please humor us in knowing how this is better than BNS Bangabandhu. Please open a separate thread as this thread is for BN topics only.

It is true the Rajputs are old ships. They probably are also behind e.g. in facilities for damagecontrol from fire and explosion. They are likely also more manpower intensive and maintenance needy. Nevertheless, it would be a big mistake to write the modernized ships off as floating fossils, rustbuckets with soviet era electronics.

As is evident from photographic evidence and internet sources:

• Only 3 of the class operate Hal Chetak helocopter: 2 operate the Ka-28

• In all of the class the main Soviet air search radar has been replaced by a Thales-licenced radar (LW08), in 3 of 5 ships the secondary Soviet air/sea search radar has been replaced by an Israeli radar (3D-STAR), in 2 of 5 ships the Soviet MR-123 fire control radars have been replaced by Israeli STGRs, and ECM gear has been replaced in at least 3 ships.

• Brahmos is available in 3 of 5 ships (8 rounds each), while 2 of these still retain Styx (i.e. up to 12 AShM total). Only 2 ships retain just 4 Styx.

• Gun systems have been or are being upgraded (from AK-230 to AK-630M, from AK-726 to 76mm OtoMelara)

• In 2 of the class the VL Barak-1 SAM has been installed (not an indigenous short range missile) to complement 1 remaining SA-N-3 installation. This significantly improves anti-ship missile defenses, if at the cost of the number of longer range missiles available. All others retain original 2 SA-N-3 installations.

• Even if a portion may be older/obsolete missiles compared to FM90, in all ships the total number of surface to air missiles carried is significantly larger (44 or 54) than that of BNS Bangabundhu (8). This implies a better sustained self-defence capability.

• The Rajput class have heavier close in ASW armament and more spare ASW munitions.

• The Rajput class can also use torpedoes against surface vessels.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Type 035Gs are old.... new toys are must to play new games........

it seems that our bulky neighbours are sweating even under water with the prospects of changing games in the Indian Ocean.... oh, and they thought we were only talking about the Bay of Bengal??.... ouch!!....

the interesting fact is that the game's key is not in their hands.... ouch again!!

Even an old, noisy submarine has to be taken into account. And one had better first learn the craft of submarine warfare before investing in some high(er)-end piece of equipment.

 

[Penguin]

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Apparently, the Indian Navy is planning to upgrade the propulsion of the Rajput-class ships with indigenously developed Kaveri Marine Gas Turbine (KMGT) engine. The Gas Turbine Research Establishment of DRDO has been developing this engine which is currently in testing phase.

All units are currently attached to the Eastern Naval Command. It utilizes Visakhapatnam as its headquarters, and has bases there and at Kolkata. It is the first and the largest naval command in India. Very close to the strategic Andaman islands and the Strait of Malacca.

INS Jalashwa is the flagship of Eastern Fleet and provides amphibious capabilities to Indian Navy in the Bay of Bengal. Eastern Fleet is equipped with submarine pens and maintenance dockyards. The Amphibious Task Group of Eastern Naval Fleet has INS Jalashwa (LPD). It also includes five Rajput class destroyers, four Kora class corvettes, three Godavari class frigates, three Shivalik class frigates, Sindhughosh class submarines and the Akula-class submarine INS Chakra. Naval aviation is provided by Sea King Helicopters. Apart from these, a number of smaller vessels such as fast attack craft make the total fleet strength of the command to 52 vessels in 2012.

Not the least of IN ships. It is where a second carrier group will be formed.

 

[Nilgiri]

Nevertheless, it would be a big mistake to write the modernized ships off as floating fossils, rustbuckets with soviet era electronics.

Hope @Bilal9 (and those upvoting him) gets the message loud and clear now. He does selectively ignore stuff though when inconvenient.

We aren't even bringing up the C4I available to the Indian navy compared to the BD navy...but here he is off assuming that anything from the 80's is automatically outclassed by something from the 90s.....even if the former is a destroyer (much upgraded since) and the latter is a frigate.

The Ticonderoga class of the USN must really really be antiquated! ....I mean come on, 70's spruance class hulls? Any "more modern" frigate (even though its still a frigate) from the last few years would be able to dominate that....I mean look at the year difference!

Thanks for the write-up!

 

[Penguin]

Hope @Bilal9 (and those upvoting him) gets the message loud and clear now. He does selectively ignore stuff though when inconvenient.

We aren't even bringing up the C4I available to the Indian navy compared to the BD navy...but here he is off assuming that anything from the 80's is automatically outclassed by something from the 90s.....even if the former is a destroyer (much upgraded since) and the latter is a frigate.

The Ticonderoga class of the USN must really really be antiquated! ....I mean come on, 70's spruance class hulls? Any "more modern" frigate (even though its still a frigate) from the last few years would be able to dominate that....I mean look at the year difference!

Thanks for the write-up!

Oldies like these, you mean?

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

Even an old, noisy submarine has to be taken into account. And one had better first learn the craft of submarine warfare before investing in some high(er)-end piece of equipment.

of course training is the key to developing a force up to some warfighting standard.... yet, its the intention that changes a game, not the platform.... I am little interested in platforms not backed-up by ambition...

the global game is changing with Trump, Brexit, US-Russia courting, etc..... its a lot more than platforms that would matter now... a small ship in the Mozambique Channel may make bigger headlines than a destroyer in the Malacca Strait.... a submarine's unrefuelled range can be a bigger issue than its quietness when it comes to the size of the Indian Ocean....

the fact is that the Indians do not control geopolitics in the Indian Ocean anymore... if they still think they do, they are in for a massive surprise!!

 

[Michael Corleone]

guys if i may have a say...
i am not very much informed about todays naval threats and requirements or which is better..... so i won't have a say on this.... but what i would like to say is i am a big fan of USS iowa... and it's class of destroyer.... note it's ww2 era battleship... and it's still not scrapped and recent talks have arised to modernize it with railgun or something, or so i heard... you know one reason why US has not scraped it? it's because in case of nuclear war when emp would have fried all your fancy ships computer systems... analogues would still tick... that dude can wreck havoc on all the ships y'all are fussing about with it's 13cm gun. talk about old means obsolete now! xD