Bangladesh key player in maintaining security in Bay of Bengal: US

[asad71]

1. Americans oil a nation in public, bribe and arm-twist the leaders behind the door and eventually lead the preyed nation to devastation from within. Pakistan is a good example, but there are plenty globally. Iran has found them out and lives an honorable existence. Earlier Cuba and N Korea also rebuffed them.

2. In the emerging global polarization the Muslims and China are the threat felt by WCC (Western Christian Civilization) now allied to the Zionists. BD sits at the center of an evolving large Muslim entity. Its location is of primary importance in the event of an US-China war where India will be used as a proxy to take casualty and accept destruction.
3. In the event of an India -China war, whether promoted by USA or not, BD will naturally side with China. The mere decision of BD to ally with PRC in such a war will throw India out of NE and Purbanchal Maoist territory.

3. The dream of BD has always been to retrieve what we lost to a English Co - Brahmin high priest of Bardawan Conspiracy on 23 June 1757.

 

[TopCat]

Its location is of primary importance in the event of an US-China war where India will be used as a proxy to take casualty and accept destruction.

You make things always entertaining.. Kudos

 

[LURKER]

1. Americans oil a nation in public, bribe and arm-twist the leaders behind the door and eventually lead the preyed nation to devastation from within. Pakistan is a good example, but there are plenty globally. Iran has found them out and lives an honorable existence. Earlier Cuba and N Korea also rebuffed them.

2. In the emerging global polarization the Muslims and China are the threat felt by WCC (Western Christian Civilization) now allied to the Zionists. BD sits at the center of an evolving large Muslim entity. Its location is of primary importance in the event of an US-China war where India will be used as a proxy to take casualty and accept destruction.
3. In the event of an India -China war, whether promoted by USA or not, BD will naturally side with China. The mere decision of BD to ally with PRC in such a war will throw India out of NE and Purbanchal Maoist territory.

3. The dream of BD has always been to retrieve what we lost to a English Co - Brahmin high priest of Bardawan Conspiracy on 23 June 1757.

 

[eastwatch]

1. Americans oil a nation in public, bribe and arm-twist the leaders behind the door and eventually lead the preyed nation to devastation from within. Pakistan is a good example, but there are plenty globally. Iran has found them out and lives an honorable existence. Earlier Cuba and N Korea also rebuffed them.

2. In the emerging global polarization the Muslims and China are the threat felt by WCC (Western Christian Civilization) now allied to the Zionists. BD sits at the center of an evolving large Muslim entity. Its location is of primary importance in the event of an US-China war where India will be used as a proxy to take casualty and accept destruction.
3. In the event of an India -China war, whether promoted by USA or not, BD will naturally side with China. The mere decision of BD to ally with PRC in such a war will throw India out of NE and Purbanchal Maoist territory.

3. The dream of BD has always been to retrieve what we lost to a English Co - Brahmin high priest of Bardawan Conspiracy on 23 June 1757.

You may be right about the US intetion vis-a-vis Bangladesh, a very tiny country which sometimes cannot be seen well in the map. Biut, due to its unique location, BD is very important to the outcome of a Sino-India war. With BD allowing Indian transport overland the Sino India contest will be on equal footing.

But, the USA wants to guard the peace in the region by controlling a possible scenerio when BD may support China against India in an all-out war. USA knows it will have no leverage with the BD military unless it also provides arms to it. Note they are talking about their excess military hardwares.

Iazdani pointed out very cleverly that it would be the excess weapons from Afghan war when USA disengages itself from that country. It would not be that bad if the USA decides to donate a few DRONES (?) to Bangladesh.

About the prospect of a US-China war. It can happen only in the west Pacific if China resorts to physical method to take over Taiwan. There is no such prospect for the moment, and even if it happens so there will be NO role at all for a tiny country like Bangladesh whose navy cannot cross even the Bay of Bengal. Pacific is another 4,000 miles away.

 

[TopCat]

There is one thing we probably overlooked. Tomorrows war will have no scarcity of war machine but physical troops. USA is looking for countries which has excess population and can contribute to troop deployment. Here comes country like Bangladesh India handy. I think USA interest is there while their Ambassador was bragging the other day that BD is no small country but 7th largest country in the world and have potential to take the place of China. Remember a diplomat always speak from his books.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Looking at comments here its no wonder US and india for that matter find it so easy to these gullible chattering class. Real fact of the matter is after 2014 US going to leave Afghanistan and lots of equipments US do not want to take back from Afghanistan. At the same time US do not wish to give all these military hardware to Afghans. So US is looking for buyers who are willing to pay for some of these will be dumped equipments. That is the gist of this so called US armament. There could be some additional piece like this worthless USCG ship to sweeten the deal but none of these means anything significant for Bangladesh defense.

One man's junk can be a another man's treasure. We are no where near the technological level of the US. Do you seriously think Bangladesh can afford something like the Arleigh Burke class destroyer or something? Not everyone can, not even rich countries.

At least the USCG ship can get the job done as per Bangladesh's requirements. And that's all that matters for now.

1. Americans oil a nation in public, bribe and arm-twist the leaders behind the door and eventually lead the preyed nation to devastation from within. Pakistan is a good example, but there are plenty globally. Iran has found them out and lives an honorable existence. Earlier Cuba and N Korea also rebuffed them.

Depends. The countries you've mentioned simply played their cards wrong. South Korea, Malaysia, Japan and now Indonesia are doing pretty with US support. I can mention many others.

2. In the emerging global polarization the Muslims and China are the threat felt by WCC (Western Christian Civilization) now allied to the Zionists. BD sits at the center of an evolving large Muslim entity. Its location is of primary importance in the event of an US-China war where India will be used as a proxy to take casualty and accept destruction.

Okay, please do wake us up when Muslims are united on just one subject.

3. In the event of an India -China war, whether promoted by USA or not, BD will naturally side with China. The mere decision of BD to ally with PRC in such a war will throw India out of NE and Purbanchal Maoist territory.

Bangladesh will not strictly side with anyone for now.

But that day may come when we have to choose a side. Whoever can offer us the best security would take the cake. I hope we have some future leaders with brains.

Another thing that the US wants is stability in the region. Especially in wake of the Afghan War. And we know as to just which country has been destabilizing here. It's a matter of time given that we play our cards right and luck is on our side.

3. The dream of BD has always been to retrieve what we lost to a English Co - Brahmin high priest of Bardawan Conspiracy on 23 June 1757.

Huh? Why are you always bringing India into everything? Keep it a low profile. You just bring too much attention.

 

[Luffy 500]

@Zabaniya bro, US arms come with strings attached. Its not free lolly pop for BD. They are considering India as their strategic
partner to counter China. A small country like BD's interest lies with a strong chinese power projection capability throughout
Asia and we should do what ever it takes to help china become the dominant power in S.asia. US won't be the sole dominant superpower
for ever and are just delaying the inevitable. Do you know the viets are becoming allies with India, japan and US ...Why?
Similarly we have to ally ourselves with anti-dada block so that we can defend our sovereignty.

 

[Zabaniyah]

@Zabaniya bro, US arms come with strings attached. Its not free lolly pop for BD. They are considering India as their strategic
partner to counter China.

Undoubtedly yes, US equipment do nearly always come with strings attached. And what's more, they are very expensive.

And as far as the US and India becoming 'strategic partners' go, maybe from the US point of view. But it's hard to say about Indian intentions. I don't think they intend to be some sort of cheap side-kick or something like that. They already saw what happened to Pakistan.

A small country like BD's interest lies with a strong chinese power projection capability throughout
Asia and we should do what ever it takes to help china become the dominant power in S.asia. US won't be the sole dominant superpower
for ever and are just delaying the inevitable.

I don't think that the US and China are enemies. Many US corporations source their production to China. Sure, they may have some issues like the Taiwan strait, and control of the South China Sea where a lot of high tech stuff from the North East Asian countries go through.

The appropriate word is competitor.

Do you know the viets are becoming allies with India, japan and US ...Why?
Similarly we have to ally ourselves with anti-dada block so that we can defend our sovereignty.

If the Viets were allies with the US, they would have gotten US equipment now. The term ally is kind of misleading. It's just that their relations are warming up. And Vietnam is now a big destination for FDI, a chunk of it coming from the US.

And don't forget, Japan has always been a great friend of ours. So let's appreciate that.

Is China a part of the "anti-dada" block? Not really. In fact, they don't give a damn about what Indians think, regardless of how much they huff and puff. And neither should we. But be wary of what they propagate about Bangladesh.

The first thing we need to do is to implement the 'minus 2' strategy. Even with BNP, we won't go anywhere. They on their part never even bothered to address national security and strategic issues. Then, we'll see how India reacts, especially after the Awami League is permanently out of the picture. At least, Hasina should be.

Step by step...

I am not saying that we have to side with the US. It is whoever benefits us the most that'll get our support.

 

[eastwatch]

@Zabaniya bro, US arms come with strings attached. Its not free lolly pop for BD. They are considering India as their strategic
partner to counter China. A small country like BD's interest lies with a strong chinese power projection capability throughout
Asia and we should do what ever it takes to help china become the dominant power in S.asia. US won't be the sole dominant superpower
for ever and are just delaying the inevitable. Do you know the viets are becoming allies with India, japan and US ...Why?
Similarly we have to ally ourselves with anti-dada block so that we can defend our sovereignty.

I think, you are seeing everything in either black or in white. Please try to get some insight on the gray parts also. I am all in favour of a better BD-US relationship. However, I may not like the prospect of a 'Strategic Partnership' between the two severely unequal countries. This partnership thing is being reiterated by many of the US civilian and military people. Where this partnership will really lead us to, we do not know.

 

[eastwatch]

Dhaka, 26 April: US Assistant Secretary of Political-Military Affairs Andrew J. Shapiro who led the American delegation to Bangladesh-US Security Dialogue here on April 19 said Bangladesh is a key player in maintaining security in the Bay of Bengal.

“Indeed, over the past decade, the bilateral defense relationship between the United States and Government of Bangladesh has become one of the most robust in South Asia,” he said at Carnegie Endowment Roundtable in Washington on Tuesday.

Shapiro who came to Dhaka for the first time said, “I believe that our relationship (with Bangladesh) is very strong.”

He said Bangladesh is an active partner in regional counterterrorism efforts and “we’re working to enhance their ability to respond to natural disasters.”

The US State Department official said, “Our cooperation with Bangladesh is a prime example of how US security assistance can play a critically important role in our diplomatic engagement.”

Shapiro said, “My Bureau plays an integral role in this relationship through our security assistance programs, our global peacekeeping programs, and our authority over the allocation of excess defense articles.”

I have been wondering about the comment by Mr. Shapiro, 'Bangladesh is a key player to maintain security in the BoB.' Now, it seems that,

1) USA does not want BD to provide any kind of naval base facilities to the Chinese.

2) In exchange of that USA will protect BD from its big neighbour and it is willing to provide naval warships and others so that BD is in a position to hold its own.

3) However, since USA has a stake in this zone, therefore, BD must also provide a kind of anchorage (if not naval facilities) facilities for its visiting ships.

4) Well, US ships have been visiting BD for many decades now. US naval ships have also been doing joint naval exercise in the BoB all the time. So, USA wants these to continue in a greater scale.

Guys, I could be wrong in my assessment. But, what could be other possible explanations of the US Assistant Secretary Shapiro's statement? US Ambassador has also been very actively propagating the same/similar US stance all the time since his arrival in Dhaka. I think, something is brewing. However, if it brings peace in the region and if it stops Indian bullying, I welcome the present US gesture.

 

[kalu_miah]

The alliance between US and India is not deep, nor is it old and it could be quite temporary. India tries to push the anti terror line and show that Bangladesh under Indian proxy management will be kept terror free. This is why putting a Jamati extremist label for Bangladesh is important for Indian strategists. But US is sitting with their big embassy in Gulshan, unfortunately they don't drink Indian Koolaid. They have eyes and ears to see and hear what Bangladesh is about.

In the long term, just like China, India is another competing power for USA, trying to go for the same pool of global influence and resource.

The ASEAN+ (ASEAN-10+Japan+Korea+SriLanka+Bangladesh+PNG+TimorLeste+Maldives) grouping provides the most comprehensive long term solution for regional balance of power. This group can be allied with the US/West, specially during its formative stage, just like the EU is today. But in the long term, it will not need anyone's support and may be able to stand on its own. Allied with US/West, it can not only work as a counter balance for China, in case of China's neighbor countries, it can also work as a balancer for India in South Asia.

 

[Zabaniyah]

The alliance between US and India is not deep, nor is it old and it could be quite temporary. India tries to push the anti terror line and show that Bangladesh under Indian proxy management will be kept terror free. This is why putting a Jamati extremist label for Bangladesh is important for Indian strategists. But US is sitting with their big embassy in Gulshan, unfortunately they don't drink Indian Koolaid. They have eyes and ears to see and hear what Bangladesh is about.

In the long term, just like China, India is another competing power for USA, trying to go for the same pool of global influence and resource.

The ASEAN+ (ASEAN-10+Japan+Korea+SriLanka+Bangladesh+PNG+TimorLeste+Maldives) grouping provides the most comprehensive long term solution for regional balance of power. This group can be allied with the US/West, specially during its formative stage, just like the EU is today. But in the long term, it will not need anyone's support and may be able to stand on its own. Allied with US/West, it can not only work as a counter balance for China, in case of China's neighbor countries, it can also work as a balancer for India in South Asia.

mmm...too much going on there. Although, I agree on the bold part.

 

[neutral_person]

1. Americans oil a nation in public, bribe and arm-twist the leaders behind the door and eventually lead the preyed nation to devastation from within. Pakistan is a good example, but there are plenty globally. Iran has found them out and lives an honorable existence. Earlier Cuba and N Korea also rebuffed them.

2. In the emerging global polarization the Muslims and China are the threat felt by WCC (Western Christian Civilization) now allied to the Zionists. BD sits at the center of an evolving large Muslim entity. Its location is of primary importance in the event of an US-China war where India will be used as a proxy to take casualty and accept destruction.
3. In the event of an India -China war, whether promoted by USA or not, BD will naturally side with China. The mere decision of BD to ally with PRC in such a war will throw India out of NE and Purbanchal Maoist territory.

3. The dream of BD has always been to retrieve what we lost to a English Co - Brahmin high priest of Bardawan Conspiracy on 23 June 1757.

For the bolded part, thats some really good stuff you are smoking there bro

As for point number 3, please dont go the Pakistan way. Pakistan has wanted Kashmir for the last 65 years and look where it got them.

 

[TopCat]

I have been wondering about the comment by Mr. Shapiro, 'Bangladesh is a key player to maintain security in the BoB.' Now, it seems that,

1) USA does not want BD to provide any kind of naval base facilities to the Chinese.
2) In exchange of that USA will protect BD from its big neighbour and it is willing to provide naval warships and others so that BD is in a position to hold its own.

3) However, since USA has a stake in this zone, therefore, BD must also provide a kind of anchorage (if not naval facilities) facilities for its visiting ships.

4) Well, US ships have been visiting BD for many decades now. US naval ships have also been doing joint naval exercise in the BoB all the time. So, USA wants these to continue in a greater scale.

Guys, I could be wrong in my assessment. But, what could be other possible explanations of the US Assistant Secretary Shapiro's statement? US Ambassador has also been very actively propagating the same/similar US stance all the time since his arrival in Dhaka. I think, something is brewing. However, if it brings peace in the region and if it stops Indian bullying, I welcome the present US gesture.

You probably did not know that Bangladesh already has a unwritten agreement with India, as neither country will ever provide base for a 3rd country. It includes USA as well. Chinese also does not come to BoB for even friendly visit let alone excercise because of India.

 

[kalu_miah]

You probably did not know that Bangladesh already has a unwritten agreement with India, as neither country will ever provide base for a 3rd country. It includes USA as well. Chinese also does not come to BoB for even friendly visit let alone excercise because of India.

Goes to show, we never achieved independence in 1971, in fact we became a dependent state.