Bangladesh key player in maintaining security in Bay of Bengal: US

[bindaas]

3. In the event of an India -China war, whether promoted by USA or not, BD will naturally side with China. The mere decision of BD to ally with PRC in such a war will throw India out of NE and Purbanchal Maoist territory.

Your knowledge of India's geography is really very very poor.

 

[kalu_miah]

It is India who does not cherish a prospect of a foreign naval base, specially a Chinese one, in Bangladesh. BD has no power to stop such a base in India if that country desires to establish one. However, India does not need such a base on its shore. So, finally, it is India which has forced BD not to accept a foreign (read Chinese) naval base on its soil.

Foreign base is certainly not to be sought. But, the way India nakedly shows its force and try to impose its one-sided wish on BD, there was a strong possibility that CTG will become a regular port of call for Chinese naval ships. However, it did not happen probably because the USA has been arranging quite a few BD-US joint naval exercises in the BoB.

Now, Shapiro says, BoB is our lake. I am wondering what does it really mean and what USA is thinking how BD will maintain the security of its big lake from its two greedy neighbours.

Lets keep our mind open for Myanmar. India is secretly manipulating and influencing them. We may need to use the Japanese card instead of Chinese, there. Suu Kyi will be visiting Japan soon. Japan openly competes with China for influence in South East Asia, hopefully we can make Japan wary of India and its design in the region.

Foreign naval base being provided to China will surely shows Bangladesh's hostility towards India because that naval base will be used by China to counter India. So, not a good idea.

Bangladesh can do whatever our heart desire with our piece of land, none of any country's business.

 

[jaunty]

Lets keep our mind open for Myanmar. India is secretly manipulating and influencing them. We may need to use the Japanese card instead of Chinese, there. Suu Kyi will be visiting Japan soon. Japan openly competes with China for influence in South East Asia, hopefully we can make Japan wary of India and its design in the region.

Just pipe dreams, there is nothing about India that would make Japan wary of it. The fact that Japan competes with China gives them more reasons to come closer to India and it's already happening, while we're at it http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...ia-japan-hold-joint-exercise.html#post2895814

 

[bindaas]

Lets keep our mind open for Myanmar. India is secretly manipulating and influencing them. We may need to use the Japanese card instead of Chinese, there. Suu Kyi will be visiting Japan soon. Japan openly competes with China for influence in South East Asia, hopefully we can make Japan wary of India and its design in the region
Bangladesh can do whatever our heart desire with our piece of land, none of any country's business.

There is nothing called Japan card for Bangladesh because India and Japan has common interest against China and they are aiding Myanmar to counter China.

In your own land you can do anything but allowing a naval base for China will certainly a move to escalate tensions with India.

 

[kalu_miah]

The future will not be like the present. There will be a lot of realignments. My views on this are well known on many threads. If Japan, together with the US, chooses a strategic alliance with India to contain China, then the following scenario will result:

SCO based Sino-Russian-Muslim alliance minus some West allied Muslim countries.

A better option for Japan would be to lead and create its own ASEAN+ and thus recreate its old Imperial Japan:

ASEAN-10+Japan+Korea+SriLanka+Bangladesh+Maldives+PNG+Timor

This ASEAN+ will remain neutral with regards to China or USA or India.

Military exercise between friendly countries happen all the time, but it is a long way from a NATO style security and strategic alliance, where attack on one is treated as attack on all.

When all the dust is settled, we will find out who our permanent partner in strategic alliance are and give our basing rights accordingly. Obviously these powers will be powerful enough to withstand any threat coming from India, which is why we will become partners with others to begin with, to balance off India. India can feel heart burn, but do nothing in that situation, unfortunately. That is what INDEPENDENCE is all about, get it?

 

[TopCat]

The future will not be like the present. There will be a lot of realignments. My views on this are well known on many threads. If Japan, together with the US, chooses a strategic alliance with India to contain China, then the following scenario will result:

SCO based Sino-Russian-Muslim alliance minus some West allied Muslim countries.

A better option for Japan would be to lead and create its own ASEAN+ and thus recreate its old Imperial Japan:

ASEAN-10+Japan+Korea+SriLanka+Bangladesh+Maldives+PNG+Timor

This ASEAN+ will remain neutral with regards to China or USA or India.

Military exercise between friendly countries happen all the time, but it is a long way from a NATO style security and strategic alliance, where attack on one is treated as attack on all.

When all the dust is settled, we will find out who our permanent partner in strategic alliance are and give our basing rights accordingly. Obviously these powers will be powerful enough to withstand any threat coming from India, which is why we will become partners with others to begin with, to balance off India. India can feel heart burn, but do nothing in that situation, unfortunately. That is what INDEPENDENCE is all about, get it?

Japan will not go with any strategic alliance with US. Japan has a defense pact with USA where USA guarantees Japanese security in return Japan will not build any offensive military. Japan has some issues with China and Japan will continue to align with USA. So for now forget Japan.

Second you want to build a alliance with ASEAN and put that against India. Not a practical idea. ASEAN is a economic bock and has little to do with military. Among the member countries some do like China, but some have war footing with China. As a whole ASEAN have fairly good relation with both BD and India.

Now here comes BD-US relationship. Well, US is not here to put BD against China or anything like that. But they want BD's participation with US in years to come. USA is over extended its troops worldwide and not too many countries (US Allies) are willing to deploy outside their country anymore. So to look after its future military projection they need countries like Bangladesh who has highest number of troops deployed overseas and a very valuable asset for USA. That is where US interest lies.

The India is another factor for USA. Its a complete different scenario. They dont think India will be by them in time of need. But arming India will help them to reduce some pressure in Asia Pacific. Thats all and nothing more. BD-USA relationship is completely independent of IND-BD and China-BD relationship. USA knows it very well that BD will never spare China when it comes to defense and not a major issue for USA either.

 

[kalu_miah]

Japan will not go with any strategic alliance with US. Japan has a defense pact with USA where USA guarantees Japanese security in return Japan will not build any offensive military. Japan has some issues with China and Japan will continue to align with USA. So for now forget Japan.

Second you want to build a alliance with ASEAN and put that against India. Not a practical idea. ASEAN is a economic bock and has little to do with military. Among the member countries some do like China, but some have war footing with China. As a whole ASEAN have fairly good relation with both BD and India.

Now here comes BD-US relationship. Well, US is not here to put BD against China or anything like that. But they want BD's participation with US in years to come. USA is over extended its troops worldwide and not too many countries (US Allies) are willing to deploy outside their country anymore. So to look after its future military projection they need countries like Bangladesh who has highest number of troops deployed overseas and a very valuable asset for USA. That is where US interest lies.

The India is another factor for USA. Its a complete different scenario. They dont think India will be by them in time of need. But arming India will help them to reduce some pressure in Asia Pacific. Thats all and nothing more. BD-USA relationship is completely independent of IND-BD and China-BD relationship. USA knows it very well that BD will never spare China when it comes to defense and not a major issue for USA either.

Look where "practical" ideas have gotten our population into, from 1947 to 1971 to today. We need vision to go forward. Politics as well as geopolitics is the art of the possible/impossible, whichever you choose to believe. What you are stating is the obvious, we need a little deeper thinking.

Today I talked with a Filipino friend, his close friend who is now Vice President of Philippines will become the next President he says. We were talking about this ASEAN+ idea and he loved it. He said that he will spread the word among Filipinos when he meets his friends and relatives and when he goes to Philippines for visit. I have talked to Vietnamese, Koreans, Myanmarese, all agreed that this is an excellent idea and its the way to go. But among Bangladeshi friends and relatives, I find that only a few understand the idea. The rest like you say its not practical. So I am not surprised to see this kind of response.