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ofcourse yes. But the moment it happened they should have been treated with a mighty kick.
Bangladesh:Gunfight at BDR headquarters
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ofcourse yes. But the moment it happened they should have been treated with a mighty kick.
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Bangladesh's first line of defence
Bangladeshi border guards have mutinied at their headquarters in the capital, Dhaka. Local media have speculated that the revolt is over pay and working conditions. The BBC's Subir Bhaumik reports on the origins of the force.
The Bangladesh Rifles (BDR) is said to be the country's first line of defence. It is meant to patrol the borders, check smuggling and cross-border crime and establish the government's authority in remote areas.
In times of war, it is supposed to provide support to the army.
The Bangladesh Rifles originated from the East Pakistan Rifles - a force set up in undivided Pakistan - and came into existence shortly after the country's independence in 1972.
The original batch of 9,000 troops were mostly East Pakistan Rifles deserters who revolted against the Pakistani officers.
But when Bangladesh's founding father Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, wanted to merge the Bangladesh Rifles with the national militia Jatiya Rakkhi Bahini, the BDR stiffly opposed the move.
But that was the first and last time the border force witnessed a situation close to mutiny.
"Though the Bangladesh army has a turbulent history of mutinies and revolts, specially between 1975 and 1984, the BDR has been remarkably free from indiscipline," says Bangladesh security analyst, retired major Shamsul Arefin.
"Its soldiers have severe resentment about pay and perks and they have angrily represented them from time to time, but they have never revolted.
"So it has to be seen whether there's a conspiracy to use the disaffection to destabilise the new government," he said, referring to Wednesday's mutiny at the BDR's Dhaka headquarters.
Major role
By 1973 a vigorous recruiting campaign had swelled the Bangladesh Rifles ranks to about 20,000 personnel. Its current strength is around 70,000.
The BDR is under the Home Ministry, but the army plays a major role in staffing, training and directing the force. Most Bangladesh Rifles officers are seconded from the regular army.
Disputes over pay could have laid to the mutiny
For instance, the army chief of staff, Lt Gen Atiqur Rahman, served as director general of the Bangladesh Rifles for four and a half years before taking over as army chief.
In addition, retired junior commissioned officers and those below them are often assigned to the Bangladesh Rifles in recognition of long years of service.
"That's the problem. The army fellows don't take up our cause. We are paid very poorly," one BDR soldier, who did not want to be named, told the BBC.
Although Bangladesh Rifles units can be called upon to assist the police in putting down domestic disturbances, their primary role is to guard the nation's frontiers.
The force is organised into battalions along military lines.
During war time or national emergencies, the president as commander in chief can authorise the military to assume direct control over all paramilitary and police forces.
The present BDR chief, Shakil Ahmed, who is said to have been attacked by his irate troops on Wednesday, has promised to work closely with India countering terrorist groups active along the borders.
Indian Border Security Force officials talk of him as a "very friendly person always willing to co-operate".
BBC NEWS | South Asia | In pictures: Dhaka mutiny
Bangladeshi border guards have mutinied at their headquarters in the capital, Dhaka. Local media have speculated that the revolt is over pay and working conditions. The BBC's Subir Bhaumik reports on the origins of the force.
The Bangladesh Rifles (BDR) is said to be the country's first line of defence. It is meant to patrol the borders, check smuggling and cross-border crime and establish the government's authority in remote areas.
In times of war, it is supposed to provide support to the army.
The Bangladesh Rifles originated from the East Pakistan Rifles - a force set up in undivided Pakistan - and came into existence shortly after the country's independence in 1972.
The original batch of 9,000 troops were mostly East Pakistan Rifles deserters who revolted against the Pakistani officers.
But when Bangladesh's founding father Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, wanted to merge the Bangladesh Rifles with the national militia Jatiya Rakkhi Bahini, the BDR stiffly opposed the move.
But that was the first and last time the border force witnessed a situation close to mutiny.
"Though the Bangladesh army has a turbulent history of mutinies and revolts, specially between 1975 and 1984, the BDR has been remarkably free from indiscipline," says Bangladesh security analyst, retired major Shamsul Arefin.
"Its soldiers have severe resentment about pay and perks and they have angrily represented them from time to time, but they have never revolted.
"So it has to be seen whether there's a conspiracy to use the disaffection to destabilise the new government," he said, referring to Wednesday's mutiny at the BDR's Dhaka headquarters.
Major role
By 1973 a vigorous recruiting campaign had swelled the Bangladesh Rifles ranks to about 20,000 personnel. Its current strength is around 70,000.
The BDR is under the Home Ministry, but the army plays a major role in staffing, training and directing the force. Most Bangladesh Rifles officers are seconded from the regular army.
Disputes over pay could have laid to the mutiny
For instance, the army chief of staff, Lt Gen Atiqur Rahman, served as director general of the Bangladesh Rifles for four and a half years before taking over as army chief.
In addition, retired junior commissioned officers and those below them are often assigned to the Bangladesh Rifles in recognition of long years of service.
"That's the problem. The army fellows don't take up our cause. We are paid very poorly," one BDR soldier, who did not want to be named, told the BBC.
Although Bangladesh Rifles units can be called upon to assist the police in putting down domestic disturbances, their primary role is to guard the nation's frontiers.
The force is organised into battalions along military lines.
During war time or national emergencies, the president as commander in chief can authorise the military to assume direct control over all paramilitary and police forces.
The present BDR chief, Shakil Ahmed, who is said to have been attacked by his irate troops on Wednesday, has promised to work closely with India countering terrorist groups active along the borders.
Indian Border Security Force officials talk of him as a "very friendly person always willing to co-operate".
BBC NEWS | South Asia | In pictures: Dhaka mutiny
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Sir, if you were in Bangladesh you would understand the situation... The nation is on the side of the BDR... and the "killing" was just an accident and its natural to be killed in a war zone and the people often warned by the army and even by the BDR personnels via speakers...
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I don't think court martial of General Moeen is possible.Then we might witness a coup.
Serving in UN missions does not have anything to do with this.
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I beg to differ brother.I don't support their act but do support their cause.
This is no way of proving their point.You will see how many people were killed today as time passes.This is unacceptable.
I think mutiny is in our blood,I mean Bengali blood.Looking back at history,from 1857 to 2009...
It may seem out of context but untold inside details that are not available does requires elimination of UN mission in long term.
btw, Moeen U does not have that many loyals.
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10 army officers freed
Star Online Report
Ten army officers, who were held hostages by mutinous BDR jawans since morning, were freed from the BDR headquarters this evening.
They were taken to hospital for treatment shortly after they were freed, source said.
The Daily Star - Details News
Star Online Report
Ten army officers, who were held hostages by mutinous BDR jawans since morning, were freed from the BDR headquarters this evening.
They were taken to hospital for treatment shortly after they were freed, source said.
The Daily Star - Details News
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Tension runs high as BDR mutineers still immovable
Star Online Report
Despite the prime minister's assurance to meet their demands, mutinous BDR members did not move from their position as army was not withdrawn from the BDR headquarters.
The BDR jawans did not let in State Minister for LGRD Ministry Jahnagir Kabir Nanak, who went to the BDR headquarters along with chiefs of RAB and police to settle the matter by arranging arms surrenders.
They would not surrender their arms on the basis of a verbal assurance.
The mutineers demanded the army cordon around the BDR headquarters be withdrawn immediately.
They demanded the matter be discussed in the parliament immediately.
Different private television stations reported that the BDR jawans were preparing for a video conference with Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina.
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/latest_news.php?nid=15246
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This is not over yet.
Star Online Report
Despite the prime minister's assurance to meet their demands, mutinous BDR members did not move from their position as army was not withdrawn from the BDR headquarters.
The BDR jawans did not let in State Minister for LGRD Ministry Jahnagir Kabir Nanak, who went to the BDR headquarters along with chiefs of RAB and police to settle the matter by arranging arms surrenders.
They would not surrender their arms on the basis of a verbal assurance.
The mutineers demanded the army cordon around the BDR headquarters be withdrawn immediately.
They demanded the matter be discussed in the parliament immediately.
Different private television stations reported that the BDR jawans were preparing for a video conference with Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina.
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/latest_news.php?nid=15246
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This is not over yet.
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very suspecious...!!
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Earlier in the morning:
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It wasn't only for paychecks,read previous posts to get a better view.
And don't bring 1971 here,If you look at it,you will find many similarities with this incident with 1971.Don't want to elaborate because that would derail the thread.
Without threat of attack from Army is removed it will be difficult for BDR to lay down their arms.
As night passing things are getting even more critical. Govt should tap ex army officer like Fazlur Rahman who can help defuse the situation.
Rest of it who guilty on what degree and what to do with them will come later.
As night passing things are getting even more critical. Govt should tap ex army officer like Fazlur Rahman who can help defuse the situation.
Rest of it who guilty on what degree and what to do with them will come later.
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Gen. Fazlur Rahman would not be the first choice for AL since he led the BDR counter-attack on the 2001 BSF incursion into BD killing 19 of them. The Indians certainly would not approve of making him a hero.
You are 100% correct but that's where Hasina's leadership will be tested once again.
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Why would you care about the Indians?
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