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Mind your language or be reported. BD has been building ocean going vessels for European owners for years now. We also build modern craft for our Navy and Coastguard. Indian technology, workmanship and work ethics is poor.
OK guys we have seriously hurt @asad71 's feelings now I bet.
He will not be showing his face in this thread anymore if you guys keep continuing! I for one enjoy his anger-filled, jealousy-ridden posts....and the way he runs away after getting thrashed each time.
I have made valid points which I am willing to defend. I am not an Indian; why should I run away?
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In which field is pakistan so superior in making ships.? It might be breaking ships at your coast but building you are way behind India. We are building distroyers and frigates at rate of 3-5 ships a year. While Pakistan is only buying used retired ships from US navy. Do enlighten us about our poor ethics.
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Source? Or you just pulling out of your *** again?
I can easily say Bangladesh is a 4th rate basket case banana republic flooded swamp reliant on handouts and aid....it doesnt mean anything if I don't give a source/hard data and evidence right?
Put out some evidence for your claims or shut up.
The only point you have made is how butt-hurt you are about India.
It is funny that you have to wake up every day remembering that India is responsible for Bangladesh creation. Learn some humility little man. Shoo!
As has been posted already, here is an example of a ship built in India for Denmark
Let us see a picture of your best ship that you built for Europe. Is it even the size of the rudder of this one?
Lets see some pictures of Bangladesh hi tech, hi work ethic ships.....or too afraid to post?
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years...lolwa...Your leading shipyard was established in 2001..
Here is the correct way to say it...
'BD has made a few small MPC European fleet owners for years some years.'
lmao..you just built a little patrol boat..that too wit 100% ToT from China....
Says who ? A Bangladeshi...? Come back when you can make anything close to this one...
Nothing big,somewhat similar to the ones our smaller yards build for European fleet owners
Summer DWT: 5,233 tons
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http://www.thedailys....php?nid=124449
Western Marine inks deal with Dutch firm
Star Business Report
Leading shipbuilder Western Marine Shipyard has signed a deal with Dutch company Winteb VOF to import equipment to build eight multipurpose cargo vessels for a German company.
Under the deal, Western Marine will import ‘Air-Vent Heads’ from Winteb to build ships having capacity of 5,200 dead weight tonnage (DWT).
All the ships are expected to be delivered to the buyer by March 2011, an official said.
Albert Vander Velde, managing director of Winteb, and Md Shakhawat Hossain, managing director of Western Marine, signed the deal.
“This deal will enable us to deepen bilateral co-operation between the two countries,” said Hossain.
“We hope to hand over six ships in 2010 and the remaining two by March next year.”
The deal was signed during the visit of a 10-member Dutch delegation led by Harry Th Pronk, export manager of Dagin Marine Technology at the shipyard in Potia, Chittagong.
Doris Voorbraak, acting Dutch ambassador to Bangladesh, and representatives of various Dutch companies were in the team.
“Western Marine as a world class company will lead Bangladesh in the global shipbuilding sector,” Harry Th Pronk said during the visit.
Voorbraak said the Netherlands would take necessary steps to improve Bangladesh’s shipbuilding industry.
Abdul Mobin, director (shipyard) of Western Marine Services, delivered vote of thanks at the programme.
Western Marine Shipyard Ltd started its operation in 1994 under Western Marine Group.
http://www.thedailys....php?nid=125205
Shipbuilding shows signs of pick-up
A vessel built by Western Marine Shipyard in Chittagong is up for delivery. Photo: Western Marine
Sohel Parvez
Two local firms gear up to resume the construction of shipyards expecting foreign orders for vessels, as demand has showed signs of a pick-up with recovery from the global recession.
Khan Brothers Shipbuilding Ltd and Narayanganj Shilpbuilders Ltd stalled work to establish shipyards after the global financial crisis depressed global demand for new ships.
“We have already started construction. We had slowed work mainly to bypass fallout from the recession,” said Tofayel Kabir Khan, managing director of Khan Brothers Shipbuilding Ltd, a concern of Khan Brothers Group.
He also blamed the suspension of construction partly on difficulty in obtaining bank loans. The shipyard is being built on the bank of Meghna at Gazaria, Munshiganj, at an estimated cost of Tk 100 crore.
“The deadlock in receiving loans appears to be easing as some banks are coming out and extending loans to shipbuilding. Now we hope to get a loan to establish the shipyard by year-end.”
Khan Brothers, which plans to develop the shipyard on about 50 acres, began building shipyards to build vessels in early 2008, inspired by global demand for vessels at around 10,000 units by 2012.
Small and medium vessels account for about 55 percent of the projected 10,000 ships, insiders said.
According to shipyard operators, Bangladeshi shipyards can tap global demand with small and medium-sized ships, as traditional shipbuilding nations, such as China and Korea, focus on large ships.
With a long maritime history and a favourable geographical location, Bangladesh enjoys various advantages, such as cheap labour, a presence of nearly 100,000 skilled and semiskilled workers and industry-related educational and training institutes.
Two leading local shipmakers — Ananda Shipyard and Slipways Ltd and Western Marine Shipyard Ltd — have bagged orders to make over 40 small vessels of about $600 million, mainly from European buyers.
“We are going to be the third shipyard capable of making global standard vessels for foreign buyers by the end of the year,” said Khan.
Khan Brothers expects to develop its capacity to deliver four ships a year.
Ferdousar Rahman, senior general manager of Khan Brothers, said the shipyard would have the capacity to make vessels up to 15,000 DWT (dead weight tonnage).
“But we will be able to make ships between 3,000-10,000 DWT as well,” said Rahman, also a naval architect from BUET.
Shah Abdul Latif, managing director of Narayanganj Shipbuilders Ltd, said the company had been quiet during the financial crisis.
“It appears that fallout from the recession on the global shipbuilding market is easing. Now we can resume work,” he said. “We will seek bank loans soon to complete the project.”
The official of Narayanganj Shipbuilders, which plans to set up the shipyard off the Meghna River near Gazaria, Munishiganj, said the company is receiving queries from oversees.
“We are optimistic about beginning civil construction from next month.”
Sakhawat Hossain, managing director of Western Marine Shipyard Ltd, also said the company is on an expansion mode to take advantage of recovery in global demand for new ships.
“The market has started picking up. We expect a rise in orders for new vessels by the end of this year.”
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Ananda Shipyard’s new ship for export
Staff Reporter
DHAKA, APR 28: Ananda Shipyard and Slipways Ltd (ASSL), the country’s first ship exporter on Thursday launched its 11th ship as the largest ever seagoing vessel built in Bangladesh. Ananda will formally hand over the ship titled ‘WES GRAIN’ with 5,500 Dead Weight Tonnage (DWT) capacities to the Reedierie GmbH, a German-based buyer, by July this year, company source said.
“The ‘WES GRAIN’ was built at a cost of eight million Euros,” said ASSL Chairman Dr Abdullahel Bari while launching the GL class 105-meter long multipurpose ship at its yard at Meghnaghat, Sonargaon, Narayanganj.
Industries Minister Dilip Barua is expected to hand over the ship to its buyer at the shipyard in three months time, he said.
Managing Director of the company Afruja Bari, Executive Director Tariqul Islam, high officials and representatives from the German Buyer were present on the occasion. Bari also said ASSL is receiving a good number of orders from Germany, Denmark and Middle East as they consider Bangladesh as a cost-effective destination for shipbuilding for its competitive workforce and cutting edge production costs.
Ananda exported its first ship to Europe to a Danish buyer in 2008, making a history in the country’s nascent shipbuilding industry. At present, 10 more ships are being built for exporting to buyers mainly from Germany, said the company officials.
They said they have also a plan to set up about 300-metre shipyard for construction of ships in the range of 50,000 DWT, they added.
http://www.theindepe...for-export.html
New Danish ferry tested in Bangladesh
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15-01-2013 12:00:00
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The next Hundested - Rørvig ferry, which is being completed at a
shipyard in Bangladesh, has been out on its first short sea trial on a
river. When the ferry is finished it will be shipped to Denmark as a
heavy-lift.
"We have been told that it's gone really well. It was not a long trip.
It has been out in the middle of the river and sailed at full speed
for 10 minutes, where there have been made some measurements", says
Director of Hundested Rørvig Ferry, Bo Andersen.
The real test sail, which includes sailed for four hours at full
speed, is yet to come.
"From 31 January to 5th February, three experts from the Danish
Maritime Authority will come - a navigator, an expert in machinery and
an expert in shipbuilding. They will in particular look on the
structure, alarm and emergency system. Then we would like to be there.
We are obviously excited that everything is as it should be", says Bo
Andersen.
Originally it was thought that the newly built ferry had to sail from
Bangladesh to its new home at Isefjord when it was finally approved.
"There will probably be too many requirements to meet and permissions
to be granted. Instead we choose a heavy lift transport. We are in
dialogue with several shipping companies", says the director.
The plan is that the new ferry will be inserted on the crossing
between Hundested - Rørvig by the 1st of July.
Source: Frederiksværk & Hasnæs Posten
Read more maritime Danish news in English at www.maritimedenmark.dk
- click HERE
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Western Marine inks deal with Dutch firm
Star Business Report
Leading shipbuilder Western Marine Shipyard has signed a deal with Dutch company Winteb VOF to import equipment to build eight multipurpose cargo vessels for a German company.
Under the deal, Western Marine will import ‘Air-Vent Heads’ from Winteb to build ships having capacity of 5,200 dead weight tonnage (DWT).
All the ships are expected to be delivered to the buyer by March 2011, an official said.
Albert Vander Velde, managing director of Winteb, and Md Shakhawat Hossain, managing director of Western Marine, signed the deal.
“This deal will enable us to deepen bilateral co-operation between the two countries,” said Hossain.
“We hope to hand over six ships in 2010 and the remaining two by March next year.”
The deal was signed during the visit of a 10-member Dutch delegation led by Harry Th Pronk, export manager of Dagin Marine Technology at the shipyard in Potia, Chittagong.
Doris Voorbraak, acting Dutch ambassador to Bangladesh, and representatives of various Dutch companies were in the team.
“Western Marine as a world class company will lead Bangladesh in the global shipbuilding sector,” Harry Th Pronk said during the visit.
Voorbraak said the Netherlands would take necessary steps to improve Bangladesh’s shipbuilding industry.
Abdul Mobin, director (shipyard) of Western Marine Services, delivered vote of thanks at the programme.
Western Marine Shipyard Ltd started its operation in 1994 under Western Marine Group.
http://www.thedailys....php?nid=125205
Shipbuilding shows signs of pick-up
A vessel built by Western Marine Shipyard in Chittagong is up for delivery. Photo: Western Marine
Sohel Parvez
Two local firms gear up to resume the construction of shipyards expecting foreign orders for vessels, as demand has showed signs of a pick-up with recovery from the global recession.
Khan Brothers Shipbuilding Ltd and Narayanganj Shilpbuilders Ltd stalled work to establish shipyards after the global financial crisis depressed global demand for new ships.
“We have already started construction. We had slowed work mainly to bypass fallout from the recession,” said Tofayel Kabir Khan, managing director of Khan Brothers Shipbuilding Ltd, a concern of Khan Brothers Group.
He also blamed the suspension of construction partly on difficulty in obtaining bank loans. The shipyard is being built on the bank of Meghna at Gazaria, Munshiganj, at an estimated cost of Tk 100 crore.
“The deadlock in receiving loans appears to be easing as some banks are coming out and extending loans to shipbuilding. Now we hope to get a loan to establish the shipyard by year-end.”
Khan Brothers, which plans to develop the shipyard on about 50 acres, began building shipyards to build vessels in early 2008, inspired by global demand for vessels at around 10,000 units by 2012.
Small and medium vessels account for about 55 percent of the projected 10,000 ships, insiders said.
According to shipyard operators, Bangladeshi shipyards can tap global demand with small and medium-sized ships, as traditional shipbuilding nations, such as China and Korea, focus on large ships.
With a long maritime history and a favourable geographical location, Bangladesh enjoys various advantages, such as cheap labour, a presence of nearly 100,000 skilled and semiskilled workers and industry-related educational and training institutes.
Two leading local shipmakers — Ananda Shipyard and Slipways Ltd and Western Marine Shipyard Ltd — have bagged orders to make over 40 small vessels of about $600 million, mainly from European buyers.
“We are going to be the third shipyard capable of making global standard vessels for foreign buyers by the end of the year,” said Khan.
Khan Brothers expects to develop its capacity to deliver four ships a year.
Ferdousar Rahman, senior general manager of Khan Brothers, said the shipyard would have the capacity to make vessels up to 15,000 DWT (dead weight tonnage).
“But we will be able to make ships between 3,000-10,000 DWT as well,” said Rahman, also a naval architect from BUET.
Shah Abdul Latif, managing director of Narayanganj Shipbuilders Ltd, said the company had been quiet during the financial crisis.
“It appears that fallout from the recession on the global shipbuilding market is easing. Now we can resume work,” he said. “We will seek bank loans soon to complete the project.”
The official of Narayanganj Shipbuilders, which plans to set up the shipyard off the Meghna River near Gazaria, Munishiganj, said the company is receiving queries from oversees.
“We are optimistic about beginning civil construction from next month.”
Sakhawat Hossain, managing director of Western Marine Shipyard Ltd, also said the company is on an expansion mode to take advantage of recovery in global demand for new ships.
“The market has started picking up. We expect a rise in orders for new vessels by the end of this year.”
[email protected]
Ananda Shipyard’s new ship for export
Staff Reporter
DHAKA, APR 28: Ananda Shipyard and Slipways Ltd (ASSL), the country’s first ship exporter on Thursday launched its 11th ship as the largest ever seagoing vessel built in Bangladesh. Ananda will formally hand over the ship titled ‘WES GRAIN’ with 5,500 Dead Weight Tonnage (DWT) capacities to the Reedierie GmbH, a German-based buyer, by July this year, company source said.
“The ‘WES GRAIN’ was built at a cost of eight million Euros,” said ASSL Chairman Dr Abdullahel Bari while launching the GL class 105-meter long multipurpose ship at its yard at Meghnaghat, Sonargaon, Narayanganj.
Industries Minister Dilip Barua is expected to hand over the ship to its buyer at the shipyard in three months time, he said.
Managing Director of the company Afruja Bari, Executive Director Tariqul Islam, high officials and representatives from the German Buyer were present on the occasion. Bari also said ASSL is receiving a good number of orders from Germany, Denmark and Middle East as they consider Bangladesh as a cost-effective destination for shipbuilding for its competitive workforce and cutting edge production costs.
Ananda exported its first ship to Europe to a Danish buyer in 2008, making a history in the country’s nascent shipbuilding industry. At present, 10 more ships are being built for exporting to buyers mainly from Germany, said the company officials.
They said they have also a plan to set up about 300-metre shipyard for construction of ships in the range of 50,000 DWT, they added.
http://www.theindepe...for-export.html
New Danish ferry tested in Bangladesh
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15-01-2013 12:00:00
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The next Hundested - Rørvig ferry, which is being completed at a
shipyard in Bangladesh, has been out on its first short sea trial on a
river. When the ferry is finished it will be shipped to Denmark as a
heavy-lift.
"We have been told that it's gone really well. It was not a long trip.
It has been out in the middle of the river and sailed at full speed
for 10 minutes, where there have been made some measurements", says
Director of Hundested Rørvig Ferry, Bo Andersen.
The real test sail, which includes sailed for four hours at full
speed, is yet to come.
"From 31 January to 5th February, three experts from the Danish
Maritime Authority will come - a navigator, an expert in machinery and
an expert in shipbuilding. They will in particular look on the
structure, alarm and emergency system. Then we would like to be there.
We are obviously excited that everything is as it should be", says Bo
Andersen.
Originally it was thought that the newly built ferry had to sail from
Bangladesh to its new home at Isefjord when it was finally approved.
"There will probably be too many requirements to meet and permissions
to be granted. Instead we choose a heavy lift transport. We are in
dialogue with several shipping companies", says the director.
The plan is that the new ferry will be inserted on the crossing
between Hundested - Rørvig by the 1st of July.
Source: Frederiksværk & Hasnæs Posten
Read more maritime Danish news in English at www.maritimedenmark.dk
- click HERE
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Still no source/evidence of poor Indian quality/work ethic.
Can only post links to news of ships we have already accepted....posting it 3 times for effect?
Good for Bangladesh. India needs healthy competition from the neighbourhood.
Now show us the other side of your claim of poor Indian workmanship Mr. BS loudmouth.
You speak it as though it is an established fact, and so far you cannot bring one source to back it up.
Can only post links to news of ships we have already accepted....posting it 3 times for effect?
Good for Bangladesh. India needs healthy competition from the neighbourhood.
Now show us the other side of your claim of poor Indian workmanship Mr. BS loudmouth.
You speak it as though it is an established fact, and so far you cannot bring one source to back it up.
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The model of 2 X Landing Craft Utility under construction at KSYBN for Bangladesh Navy.
Main Data
Length OA: 42 m
Breadth MLD: 10 m
Depth: 1.8 m
Draught: 0.9 m (forward)
1.8 m (aft)
Engine Power: 2 X 600 HP
Speed: 10 Knot
Construction: On Going
Client: Bangladesh Navy
http://w3.khulnaship...g-craft-utility
Main Data
Length OA: 42 m
Breadth MLD: 10 m
Depth: 1.8 m
Draught: 0.9 m (forward)
1.8 m (aft)
Engine Power: 2 X 600 HP
Speed: 10 Knot
Construction: On Going
Client: Bangladesh Navy
http://w3.khulnaship...g-craft-utility
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I thought it was just a one -off order....but nope SIX 30,000 DWT ships for the clipper group from Denmark have been built, that too some years back.
Cochin Shipyard delivers `Clipper Trust' - BUSINESS - The Hindu
Danes must really have a thing for poor Indian quality ships....that too in 30,000 DWT class.
Right Mr. @asad71 ?
Cochin Shipyard delivers `Clipper Trust' - BUSINESS - The Hindu
Danes must really have a thing for poor Indian quality ships....that too in 30,000 DWT class.
Right Mr. @asad71 ?
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Source? Or you just pulling out of your *** again?
I can easily say Bangladesh is a 4th rate basket case banana republic flooded swamp reliant on handouts and aid....it doesnt mean anything if I don't give a source/hard data and evidence right?
Put out some evidence for your claims or shut up.
The only point you have made is how butt-hurt you are about India.
It is funny that you have to wake up every day remembering that India is responsible for Bangladesh creation. Learn some humility little man. Shoo!
As has been posted already, here is an example of a ship built in India for Denmark
Let us see a picture of your best ship that you built for Europe. Is it even the size of the rudder of this one?
Lets see some pictures of Bangladesh hi tech, hi work ethic ships.....or too afraid to post?
Jonab Asad is far from a little man but a retired army officer.
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Don't care who he is or his background....if he doesn't back up his claims he is little-minded to me.
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The original article was writen by your typical dumb indian jurno.."Defence experts believe that it will be a major event if Bangladesh places orders for ships from GRSE. This will reduce Bangladesh's reliance on China and Pakistan for military hardware. "Countries like Bangladesh don't have shipbuilding facilities of their own".
1. The Bangladesh Navy, traditionally buys from China, and has a very good working relatiohship with the Chinese navy. But the jurno fails to understand, we dont just rely on the Chinese....
2. Bangladesh has very little to no reliance on Pakistan for defence equipment, our main suppliers are China, Russia, Korea, Turkey, Serbia etc...
3. Bangladesh has a fast growing shipbuilding industry, it is infact one of the key sectors the government is keen on developing...we are by far the lowest cost producer, it is still early stages, but so was garments just a few years ago!
The only thing he got right was, if we ever bought a ship from GRSE, it would be a major event as ..Bangladesh Navy would never allow the purchase of any naval vessels from india.
1. The Bangladesh Navy, traditionally buys from China, and has a very good working relatiohship with the Chinese navy. But the jurno fails to understand, we dont just rely on the Chinese....
2. Bangladesh has very little to no reliance on Pakistan for defence equipment, our main suppliers are China, Russia, Korea, Turkey, Serbia etc...
3. Bangladesh has a fast growing shipbuilding industry, it is infact one of the key sectors the government is keen on developing...we are by far the lowest cost producer, it is still early stages, but so was garments just a few years ago!
The only thing he got right was, if we ever bought a ship from GRSE, it would be a major event as ..Bangladesh Navy would never allow the purchase of any naval vessels from india.
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Thats not the point. Buy from whoever you want, build whatever you can. I dont care about a chest thumping original article from Indian media.
If @asad71 has stuck to saying Indian media is poor quality, poor work ethics, poor professionalism.....sure I can get behind that. (but if he compares saying Bangladesh media is better, then that's another story)
But instead he decides to make this bold claim that Indian shipbuilding industry is poor quality, that no one in the their right mind would buy from India etc...that even Indian ships avoid India overhaul facilities etc etc.....like he is some seafaring merchant marine person that also has extensively talked to other ship captains about Indian shipyards.
Nope he is just some retired defence guy with some pet peeve against Indians personally and never loses a moment to slip in a BS comment like he has and run away without supporting it.
Thats why I am asking him if India has made six 30,000 DWT class ships for Denmark (starting back in 2004)....how he is able to hold water to his statement when he is chesthumping about some 5000 DWT ship sold to the same country by Bangladesh in the last few years.
It makes quite the stark comparison actually.
We dont need any admission of who is better....keep striving keep improving by all means....and have a dream and vision sure. But saying things like "Indian shipbuilding is poor and bad quality" is not conducive to improving Bangladesh situation as we will simply show you the stark facts by way of what we build compared to what you build.
As for overtaking India...even if India does not make one single investment in shipbuilding for 10 - 15 years, Bangladesh is still going to just about come to the same scale as India at the end of that time frame (with full expansion mode going on).
Just look at what one shipyard in India (Pipavav) is adding in terms of capacity in dry dock for example. With huge growth expected in Indian shipbuilding (and industry in general) over the coming years....overtaking India in 2 years begs the question....in what exactly? Sheer DWT output? Net income? Gross revenue? Exports? or something else entirely?
If you mean across the board....thats like saying India is going to overtake South Korea in shipbuilding in 2 years time.
Can dream big....but in the end you need to back it up with some numbers. No numbers coming out of Bangladesh today can convince any bystander that the 2 year time frame is feasbile for bridging of India - Bangladesh shipbuilding chasm in shipbuilding or any heavy indsustry really. You are free to post numbers if you have them, I will simply post Indian numbers and then its going to be quite clear your predictions is quite laughable.....at least add a qualifier to what you mean and give us some evidence why you believe that.
Otherwise it is just another unbacked statement to assuage Bangladeshi pride like @asad71 but at least nowhere near as bad.
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