Bangladesh Army

[ghost250]

swats new APC "BATTX"(USA) ..

 

[Bilal9]

^^
Actually this is a tactical vehicle very popular with police depts. in the US and is based on the Ford F-550 heavy duty commercial truck, which is cheap enough to source as a basic platform.

The welded parts are easy enough to weld but the reason these are somewhat expensive as a tactical platform is the proven/documented blast-proof nature of these designs.

Here is a basic F-550 shortbed platform (usually used as a farm horse-trailer towing platform in states such as Texas and Oklahoma and Midwestern US areas).

Also used sometimes as a wrecker/tow vehicle (newer model with revised fascia).

When you unscrew and take off the civilian sheetmetal and put in armored steel plate, you get this,

https://www.armoredcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Police-Mag.pdf

https://www.armoredcars.com/the-arm...atured-in-police-magazines-vehicle-spotlight/

 

[Michael Corleone]

^^
Actually this is a tactical vehicle very popular with police depts. in the US and is based on the Ford F-550 heavy duty commercial truck, which is cheap enough to source as a basic platform.

The welded parts are easy enough to weld but the reason these are somewhat expensive as a tactical platform is the proven/documented blast-proof nature of these designs.

Here is a basic F-550 shortbed platform (usually used as a farm horse-trailer towing platform in states such as Texas and Oklahoma and Midwestern US areas).

Also used sometimes as a wrecker/tow vehicle (newer model with revised fascia).

When you unscrew and take off the civilian sheetmetal and put in armored steel plate, you get this,

https://www.armoredcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Police-Mag.pdf

https://www.armoredcars.com/the-arm...atured-in-police-magazines-vehicle-spotlight/

wow, i didn't know they share the same chassis. tbh if bangladesh invest a bit on research, they can save a whole lot of money. just get the chassis and the engine... modify engine and transmission to meet the power needs and design your own blast proof body and mate them together. labor cost in bd is as cheap as water compared to US

 

[Bilal9]

wow, i didn't know they share the same chassis. tbh if bangladesh invest a bit on research, they can save a whole lot of money. just get the chassis and the engine... modify engine and transmission to meet the power needs and design your own blast proof body and mate them together. labor cost in bd is as cheap as water compared to US

Agreed on all counts. The only issue is blast proof armor which uses composites. These are sourced from specialized vendors anyways, even in the US.

I am surprised why some retired Bangladesh army guy has not taken this on himself, supplying to the army, they can even replicate or license existing designs.

Licensing helps with specs and maybe even overseas sales, say on Africa or Middle East countries. Pakistani companies are doing this day in and day out.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Agreed on all counts. The only issue is blast proof armor which uses composites. These are sourced from specialized vendors anyways, even in the US.

I am surprised why some retired Bangladesh army guy has not taken this on himself, supplying to the army, they can even replicate or license existing designs.

Licensing helps with specs and maybe even overseas sales, say on Africa or Middle East countries. Pakistani companies are doing this day in and day out.

The ideal platform to produce B-6 & 7 level armour protection light vehicles easily available in asia is Toyota Tundras,Land cruiser LCs with more powerful engines and local armouring companies which have their own R&D and other facilities.

In Pakistan.. there are several companies Armour plating civilian luxury vehicles like V12s and other SUVs and Sedans down to a corolla.

So alot of them started developing their own vehicles on LC chasis..

HIT also did that back in the 2000s with older Muhafiz LAVs.

Now the game is getting complicated.
Private companies have started venturing into defence market... they either partner with european and other western companies like Raytheon,Jankel,Marconi... aswell as state complexes like HIT..

Coming up with their own products which they sell to Pak Military and export to other friendly states.

So now we have Pakistani companies producing Next gen Optical Systems,UBGLs,Automatic Grenade launchers,UGVs,Thermal sights for weapons,LR Binoculars,LR thermal Binoculars,Surv systems,UAVs,Under water drones,small uavs that can fit in your hand and civilian drones that can operate for days...

They coming up with MRAVs,IFVs,LAVs, rifles,Body armour and other stuff...

Than we have universities funded by the govt... where students are givem access to military technology...

Working on Fire control systems,Tanks imagery systems etc..

These chaps than come up with their own solutions... from unmanned weapon systems (IGVs) to bomb disposal bots..

The ideas are than picked up by the state complexes.. resulting in a refined product and an educated manpower.

The PAF has launched KAMRA AVIATION CITY ...

 

[Bilal9]

I believe the Bangladesh Army can follow the innovation pattern of South African Army in developing new tanks (MBTs) and armored vehicles by evolving them from existing platforms which was necessitated by apartheid embargoes. As an example, the initial Mk.1 Olifant (Elephant) MBT was developed from using Centurion tank hulls and powertrains that the Indian Army had scrapped.

The picture below from a few months ago shows the older version Mk.1A on the left and the completely revised hull of the Mk.2A on the right, modeled after a later model German Leopard, but much smaller in size. The Mk.2 tank weighs in the 60 ton range and uses a smooth-bore 120 mm gun, they reportedly have two squadrons (14X2 units).

British Army Orbat
3 tanks per Troop
4 troops per Squadron
2 tanks in Squadron Headquarters
Total 14 Main Battle Tanks per Squadron

It is quite admirable what the SAA has accomplished with very limited funds, options and usable technology.

This is the latest version - Olifant Mk.2B

As can be seen above, it has a latest shallow Leopard type turret and a thermal imager upgrade.

 

[Nike]

The ideal platform to produce B-6 & 7 level armour protection light vehicles easily available in asia is Toyota Tundras,Land cruiser LCs with more powerful engines and local armouring companies which have their own R&D and other facilities.

In Pakistan.. there are several companies Armour plating civilian luxury vehicles like V12s and other SUVs and Sedans down to a corolla.

So alot of them started developing their own vehicles on LC chasis..

HIT also did that back in the 2000s with older Muhafiz LAVs.

Now the game is getting complicated.
Private companies have started venturing into defence market... they either partner with european and other western companies like Raytheon,Jankel,Marconi... aswell as state complexes like HIT..

Coming up with their own products which they sell to Pak Military and export to other friendly states.

So now we have Pakistani companies producing Next gen Optical Systems,UBGLs,Automatic Grenade launchers,UGVs,Thermal sights for weapons,LR Binoculars,LR thermal Binoculars,Surv systems,UAVs,Under water drones,small uavs that can fit in your hand and civilian drones that can operate for days...

They coming up with MRAVs,IFVs,LAVs, rifles,Body armour and other stuff...

Than we have universities funded by the govt... where students are givem access to military technology...

Working on Fire control systems,Tanks imagery systems etc..

These chaps than come up with their own solutions... from unmanned weapon systems (IGVs) to bomb disposal bots..

The ideas are than picked up by the state complexes.. resulting in a refined product and an educated manpower.

The PAF has launched KAMRA AVIATION CITY ...

Got new variants of our Komodo armed with 25 mm chain gun and ATGM

this vehicles had Toyota gene on it

 

[Michael Corleone]

I believe the Bangladesh Army can follow the innovation pattern of South African Army in developing new tanks (MBTs) and armored vehicles by evolving them from existing platforms which was necessitated by apartheid embargoes. As an example, the initial Mk.1 Olifant (Elephant) MBT was developed from using Centurion tank hulls and powertrains that the Indian Army had scrapped.

The picture below from a few months ago shows the older version Mk.1A on the left and the completely revised hull of the Mk.2A on the right, modeled after a later model German Leopard, but much smaller in size. The Mk.2 tank weighs in the 60 ton range and uses a smooth-bore 120 mm gun, they reportedly have two squadrons (14X2 units).

British Army Orbat
3 tanks per Troop
4 troops per Squadron
2 tanks in Squadron Headquarters
Total 14 Main Battle Tanks per Squadron

It is quite admirable what the SAA has accomplished with very limited funds, options and usable technology.

This is the latest version - Olifant Mk.2B

As can be seen above, it has a latest shallow Leopard type turret and a thermal imager upgrade.

this looks so tall, it seems this will be really easy to hit

 

[Bilal9]

this looks so tall, it seems this will be really easy to hit

Well underneath the electronics and the super modern turret, these are still vintage 1960s Indian Centurions rescued from scrapyards. In the bush and the hard packed clay and sandy South African terrain, a little bit of retro tallboy stance with narrow tracks may not be such a trade-off.

A common tactic in tank battles is to fire from behind berms which is called 'hull down position'. It really does not matter how tall your tank is at that point because you are hiding the hull and only exposing the turret.

The cool thing about these Olifants are how much SAA saved by NOT manufacturing new hulls/armor . They now have three squadrons of these things built indigenously and with not a lot of cash outlay.

In our situation, we can refurbish our Bijoy tanks (MBT2000) with newer lower profile turrets fifteen/twenty years down the line, just like we did with our re-turreted Type 59s (Durjoy) now.

One could design new tank hulls spread low to the ground like the latest Leopard/Abrams/T90/Merkava platforms and the South Africans (Denel and subcontractors) were certainly capable of this, but the cost to do so is rather astronomical compared to the advantages gained, especially in the South African scenario, considering their low tech adversaries like Lesotho etc.

This is not an endorsement of an apartheid regime but the quantitative advantages gained for these have analogs to our situations.

 

[Michael Corleone]

'hull down position'.

pretty sure anything will punch through them in that position too

In our situation, we can refurbish our Bijoy tanks (MBT2000) with newer lower profile turrets fifteen/twenty years down the line, just like we did with our re-turreted Type 59s (Durjoy) now.

the durjoys have the old turret but with added slabs of composite armor in a welded/modular manner... the 2000s would not require such drastic changes... you could just get those upgrade packages from china and slap them on. but then, hopefully 15/20 years from now... we get rid off the old timers and get everything new and better

 

[Bilal9]

pretty sure anything will punch through them in that position too

the durjoys have the old turret but with added slabs of composite armor in a welded/modular manner... the 2000s would not require such drastic changes... you could just get those upgrade packages from china and slap them on. but then, hopefully 15/20 years from now... we get rid off the old timers and get everything new and better

I thought the type 59G modified in Bangladesh with locally assembled Type 96 turret is called a Durjoy...AFAIK it is our version of Pakistan's Al-Zarrar, though - I'd argue, with a more modern/lighter welded turret.

I could be wrong however. Both Bangladesh an Tanzania refurbished their old type 59's in this manner - Bangladesh Durjoy count reportedly is around 300 now, but the real count is of course classified.

Durjoy Type 59G images (showing the new type 96 welded turret/gun and hull mods in the back of the hull as well as rear bustle storage)

The reason I am saying that this is type 96 turret is because of the placement of cupolas. BTW I wonder if that is a Chinese equivalent of the Browning Ma Deuce (M2) .50 caliber MG near the commander's cupola. Has an IR target illuminator on top.

Here is a real Type 96. Note the cupola (as well as smoke grenade launcher) placement in the turret and compare to 59G above.

The brackets are there but rear fuel drums are missing (two). Don't know if the tracks were changed out as well (spare tracks look to be new design).

Tanzania's Type 59G version, incidentally Sudan operates the actual Type 96

 

[Michael Corleone]

I thought the type 59G modified in Bangladesh with locally assembled Type 96 turret is called a Durjoy...AFAIK it is our version of Pakistan's Al-Zarrar, though - I'd argue, with a more modern/lighter welded turret.

I could be wrong however. Both Bangladesh an Tanzania refurbished their old type 59's in this manner - Bangladesh Durjoy count reportedly is around 300 now, but the real count is of course classified.

Durjoy Type 59G images (showing the new type 96 welded turret/gun and hull mods in the back of the hull as well as rear bustle storage)

The reason I am saying that this is type 96 turret is because of the placement of cupolas. BTW I wonder if that is a Chinese equivalent of the Browning Ma Deuce (M2) .50 caliber MG near the commander's cupola. Has an IR target illuminator on top.

Here is a real Type 96. Note the cupola (as well as smoke grenade launcher) placement in the turret and compare to 59G above.

The brackets are there but rear fuel drums are missing (two). Don't know if the tracks were changed out as well (spare tracks look to be new design).

Tanzania's Type 59G version, incidentally Sudan operates the actual Type 96

Tanzanian version isn't equipped with the actual t96 turret, it was tested out in bd with one tank equipped as such, the current turret was chosen in favor of a better center of gravity

 

[The Ronin]

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[ghost250]

A tank from the 6 Bengal Cavalry Regiment enamoured with anti-IR camouflage skin is seen manouvreing during exercises.

credit-BDMIL

 

[The Ronin]

So if the news is true then Bangladesh Army will receive 300 Type 59 tank chassis free of charge from China. They will upgrade these to Durjoy variant. The each upgrade kit will cost $ 1 million which includes:-

1: 125mm main gun
2: Suspension system
3. Thermal Imagery System
4. ERA Jacket
5. Ballistic Computer
6. NBC Kit
7. Target Data Management Suit
8. Smoke screen grenade
9. Anti armor and AD package
10. Extended armor protection

The news first popped up in BD Military and now confirmed by an army official. There's also talk about it in Chinese Defense Forum. @LKJ86 @Chinese-Dragon do you know anything about this? And what's this Chinese writing says in this picture?

These will come beside the new VT-5 or Kaplan tank. (Or both tank might be procured).

Source- DTB

https://twitter.com/x/status/963655098240028672