Bangladesh Air Force

[applesauce]

Bold statement: can you please give us a source confirming that?

I think it will not be a good option.
Out bordering countries armed themselves with Su-30, Mig-29 and Mirage 2000. J-10 is not a good platform for dog-fighting. In a BVR range even the Mig-21Bison would do the job but who fires at BVR range? 80% of the AA missiles fired till date are fired from WVR range in a dogfight.

To tackle Su-30, Mig-29, Mirage-2000 we need Mig-29SMT or upper-hands like Su-27SM2 or Su-30MK or Mig-29MRCA or F-16EF which are equally good in both BVR and WVR AA fighting.

what are you talking about?
in PLAAF, the j-10 routinely spanks the j-11 and su-30 in air to air combat, j-10A is said by PLAAF to be close to early f-16 models but slighter better in electronics, while the j-10B is suppose to match or exceed late model f-16s

 

[Bamboo Castle]

Whatever may be the numbers of battalion, but how many units of missiles are there in one battalion? By seeing the picture I understand there are four number of missiles in one SHORAD System. Can someone explain this?

Usually one battalion stands for 6 launch vehicles and a radar unit. But I do not know the system of Bangladesh air force.

 

[Bamboo Castle]

what are you talking about?
in PLAAF, the j-10 routinely spanks the j-11 and su-30 in air to air combat, j-10A is said by PLAAF to be close to early f-16 models but slighter better in electronics, while the j-10B is suppose to match or exceed late model f-16s

Well, if your J-10 spanks your J-11 and Su-30 then, we can understand the quality of Chines made Su-27 variants.. However, what you are saying is not true. J-10A/B are good platform in BVR range but is not any match for Su-27/J-11/Su-30. Because, When it comes to quality, super-maneuverability, Electronic capability, weapons technology and dog-fighting ability then the ranking goes very much like the following:

Best: F-22, PAK-FA, Su-35BM

Better: Su-27SM, Su-30MK, Su-35, Mig-35, EF-2000, Deausalt Rafale, F-15SE

Very Good: F/A-18EF, F-16EF, F-15C, Mig-29SMT/M/M2/K, Su-27SK, Su-30, Mirage 2000-5 Mark 2, JAS-39NG

Great: Mirage-2000N/D/-5, Mig-29S/SE/SM, Su-27, F/A-18C/D, F-16C/D, J-10B, JAS-39

Good: Mirage-2000, Mig-29B, F/A-18A/B, F-16A/B, J-10A, F-15, Tornado GR-4

Average: JF-17, HAL TEJAS, AV-8B, Tornado, Mirage F-1, AIDC *****-1

Trying to keep up: J-7BGI/BG/G/G2, Mig-21Bison, Mirage-3/5 Rose

 

[british_bengali]

Well, if your J-10 spanks your J-11 and Su-30 then, we can understand the quality of Chines made Su-27 variants.. However, what you are saying is not true. J-10A/B are good platform in BVR range but is not any match for Su-27/J-11/Su-30. Because, When it comes to quality, super-maneuverability, Electronic capability, weapons technology and dog-fighting ability then the ranking goes very much like the following:

Best: F-22, PAK-FA, Su-35BM

Better: Su-27SM, Su-30MK, Su-35, Mig-35, EF-2000, Deausalt Rafale, F-15SE

Very Good: F/A-18EF, F-16EF, F-15C, Mig-29SMT/M/M2/K, Su-27SK, Su-30, Mirage 2000-5 Mark 2, JAS-39NG

Great: Mirage-2000N/D/-5, Mig-29S/SE/SM, Su-27, F/A-18C/D, F-16C/D, J-10B, JAS-39

Good: Mirage-2000, Mig-29B, F/A-18A/B, F-16A/B, J-10A, F-15, Tornado GR-4

Average: JF-17, HAL TEJAS, AV-8B, Tornado, Mirage F-1, AIDC *****-1

Trying to keep up: J-7BGI/BG/G/G2, Mig-21Bison, Mirage-3/5 Rose

A would not say Su-27 is greater in terms of maneverability,a chinese senior general has said a J-10 has been able to perform maneuvers such as the pugachevs cobra due to the fact that the J-10 isn't restricted by speed as much as the su-27 due to the J-10 FBW FCS(Fly By Wire Flight Control Sytem)
Also as far as quality of chinese su-27s goes, there are very little defects as of now and this has been quoted by russian arms manufacturers as being the reason for tough competition in the arms industry to to chinese arms being the same quality as russians by cheaper.

 

[Mattrixx]

yes we have 2 battalions

But BAF 1 and BD army 1. Isnt it ?

 

[BDforever]

But BAF 1 and BD army 1. Isnt it ?

no, both for BAF

 

[Zabaniyah]

Well, if your J-10 spanks your J-11 and Su-30 then, we can understand the quality of Chines made Su-27 variants..

From where did you come up with such a conclusion?

 

[Zabaniyah]

PLAAF's 1st aerobatics team:

 

[Bamboo Castle]

From where did you come up with such a conclusion?

Just check out both the aircraft's TOW, T/W ration, engine capability, max g tolerance, min radius turn @ max speed ratio, FBW systems, electronics on board, radar, endurance, max range, max had-points, weapons mix, avionics mix, top speed, acceleration, deceleration, trans-sonic shock resistance etc... and you will know why I said so....

 

[Bamboo Castle]

 

[hurt]

Well, if your J-10 spanks your J-11 and Su-30 then, we can understand the quality of Chines made Su-27 variants.. However, what you are saying is not true. J-10A/B are good platform in BVR range but is not any match for Su-27/J-11/Su-30. Because, When it comes to quality, super-maneuverability, Electronic capability, weapons technology and dog-fighting ability then the ranking goes very much like the following:

Best: F-22, PAK-FA, Su-35BM

Better: Su-27SM, Su-30MK, Su-35, Mig-35, EF-2000, Deausalt Rafale, F-15SE

Very Good: F/A-18EF, F-16EF, F-15C, Mig-29SMT/M/M2/K, Su-27SK, Su-30, Mirage 2000-5 Mark 2, JAS-39NG

Great: Mirage-2000N/D/-5, Mig-29S/SE/SM, Su-27, F/A-18C/D, F-16C/D, J-10B, JAS-39

Good: Mirage-2000, Mig-29B, F/A-18A/B, F-16A/B, J-10A, F-15, Tornado GR-4

Average: JF-17, HAL TEJAS, AV-8B, Tornado, Mirage F-1, AIDC *****-1

Trying to keep up: J-7BGI/BG/G/G2, Mig-21Bison, Mirage-3/5 Rose

I only tell you that all of PLAAFs su-30s are made by Russian.

 

[Bamboo Castle]

I only tell you that PLAAFs su-30s are made by Russian.

According to an official US report, Mig-21Bison on IAF had a 60% kill ratio against US F-16 in a joint exercise between USA and India. That doesn't make the Mig-21bison superior to F-16... So, J-10 having some kill against some simulated war scenario does not make j-10 superior over su-27/30... J-10 needs much more upgrade to come in par with Su-27

 

[hurt]

According to an official US report, Mig-21Bison on IAF had a 60% kill ratio against US F-16 in a joint exercise between USA and India. That doesn't make the Mig-21bison superior to F-16... So, J-10 having some kill against some simulated war scenario does not make j-10 superior over su-27/30... J-10 needs much more upgrade to come in par with Su-27

J-10As weak point is armament capabilities.
At least J-10A is better than Su-27Sk in quality,Electronic capability and weapons technology.
As dog-fighting ability , J-10A can do Pugachev's Cobra too.

 

[hurt]

According to an official US report, Mig-21Bison on IAF had a 60% kill ratio against US F-16 in a joint exercise between USA and India. That doesn't make the Mig-21bison superior to F-16... So, J-10 having some kill against some simulated war scenario does not make j-10 superior over su-27/30... J-10 needs much more upgrade to come in par with Su-27

In exercise between USA and India. There only dog-fight for fair play.
But There is really competition in PLAAF Between J-10 and others. I only tell your J-10A better than Original Su-27sk in air fight.

 

[hurt]

According to an official US report, Mig-21Bison on IAF had a 60% kill ratio against US F-16 in a joint exercise between USA and India. That doesn't make the Mig-21bison superior to F-16... So, J-10 having some kill against some simulated war scenario does not make j-10 superior over su-27/30... J-10 needs much more upgrade to come in par with Su-27

In early exercise between J-10A and J-11（Su-27Sk made by rassian and china） ,J-10A always is the winner.
Now J-11B and J-11A（Su-27Sk made by china update version） is better ,because with better Electronic capability than J-10A.