Wait Indians are involved In this, the Indian gov, or private Indian equity firm?
Even if bdesh did not have the expertise to participate in the R&D process, just mere observers. However given the facilty to produce the frame and panels and various other parts whilst the getting the rest from Indonesians- Korean partie. Would have been a boost in internal capacity.
Not to forget gaining access to some of its technologies.
There was talk about UAE picking up some of Indonesians financial obligations. For the project
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Duh, read again my statement.
I try to compare development cost of Korean-Indonesian KF21 program vs Indian AMCA program vs Indonesian R80 program.
I dont think Indonesia will allow UAE to pick our share. Our stance is clear is that we will continue the program as there is already President decision since early 2021 that precede the completion of renegotiation in November 2021
The debate whether Indonesia should leave or stay (after we have some technology restriction during EMD phase by both USA and Korea) had already been completed in 2018. During that time the decision is to continue and start to renegotiate.
Renegotiation is completed in November 2021. We started paying again since 2022 November. This year we double the amount (the payment is in February). For 2024, the payment will be doubled again. I have posted Indonesian media and Indonesian sources in IFX thread.
Korean media who has good knowledge on the program is Yonhap. This is why regarding to KF21 program, my foreign sources are only Yonhap and Jane Defense. Many foreign media, even South Korean media has mislead the fact maybe due to the reporter dont have good knowledge on the program.
Here is Indonesian payment + some information
Development program is started TD phase (2011-2012 December)
Complete Payment. Only ADD Korea and Indonesian Aerospace who participate (some KAI engineers were also inserted there but as institution they are not yet involved)
2013-2018 (internal research in Indonesia) we paid it ourselves, outside the program cost
EMD phase (2016-2026)
2016 : Yep complete payment
2017 : Not being paid, the Mindef said he forget to send the budget to Minister of Finance (administration failure- but I guess maybe some mafia has a hand there). Need to inform you guys that KF21 program will likely wipe out any foreign plane order so many people dont like it due to their private interest (corrupt guy)
2018 : Our engineers show some restriction on several technology like flight control system, sofware development, etc during development (violating previous deal)- The restriction is more due to USA side since the technology are US technology
2018 : Start to negotiate but still part of the program. Our engineers in Korea around 114 (reported by Yonhap based on ADD information) staying until CDR complete (design completion and meet the customers requirement (SK and Indo Air Force)
We dont pay in 2018
2019 : We paid again in full
2020 : We dont pay and all of enginners come back home in 2020 May after CDR completion in September 2019 (single seat design completion)
2020 May forward : Some work package of Indonesian engineers are being done in Indonesia for double seats design and some structural analysist (airframe) and plus some airframe manufacturing in Indonesia (alluminium and metal component only since we havent had the composite manufacturing for CFRP (composite material like F35)
2021 : We dont pay but in August 39 engineers come back (mostly production engineers)
2022: We paid again in November (small amount)
2023 : We paid again, much greater than November 2022 payment
2024 : The budget has been prepared and ready to be disbursed in 2024 (more than double 2023 payment)
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Gov cannot make payment plan until completion since 2024 is final year for Jokowi. Cost share payment is paid gradually until 2026 based on the contract. 2025 payment is made in 2024 August, so I think our gov will try to look on how we can pay in that year much bigger than in 2024. While 2026 payment will be decided and made by new President as the result of 2024 election.