Bangladesh advocates OIC reforms for India's entry as observer in group

[Black_cats]

Turkey joins hands with Bangladesh seeking OIC reforms for India's observer status

By Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, ET Bureau | May 09, 2018, 10.43 AM IST

https://m.economictimes.com/news/po...dias-observer-status/articleshow/64090174.cms

Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) as an observer has found support from Bangladesh and Turkey. The two countries have joined hands to seek reforms of the 57-nation grouping including a suggestion to concede the demand of India, which is home to the world’s third largest Muslim population.

At the OIC foreign ministers’ conference last weekend, Bangladesh succeeded in pushing a declaration to this effect with the help of Turkey, which has traditionally been an ally of Pakistan but has of late sought expansion of ties with India. Turkey’s decision to support OIC reforms, according to experts, should also be viewed in the context of fast-evolving geopolitics in West Asia.

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While Bangladesh has been categorical in seeking observer status for India in OIC, several other members have offered their tacit support. These member states are yet to openly voice support for India, but experts said these states have come a long way from 1960s to consider India’s inclusion in the grouping as an observer.

Several OIC member states have also expressed reservations against a strong OIC resolution on Kashmir. India’s ties with West Asian, North African and Southeast Asian Muslim majority states such as Indonesia and Malaysia are on the upswing and these nations have come forward to forge strong counter-terrorism and commercial partnerships during the past few years.

Addressing the OIC foreign ministers’ meet, Bangladesh foreign minister AH Mahmud Ali said last Saturday, “A number of countries – not OIC members – have a large number of Muslims as their citizens. Muslims may be a minority in those countries, but in terms of numbers they often exceed the total population of many OIC member countries.”

Advocating India’s entry into the grouping, he said, “There is a need to build bridges with those non-OIC countries, so that a large number of Muslim populations do not remain untouched by the good work of OIC. That is why, reforms and restructuring are critical for OIC.”

“As the world is changing in many ways, infringing upon every area of a peaceful society, life, development, we cannot do business as usual. We need to rethink our work, method and process of functioning to cater to the needs of the current era and beyond. Otherwise, we risk situating our organisation in redundancy,” he said.

 

[Centaur]

Really saddened to hear this @Centaur bhai. I guess in Bangladesh one cannot have a neutral opinion and outlook anymore. It is sad because as we progress in living standards (for some), we slide further down into rule by chetona demagogues and their lapdog sycophants who cannot stand or tolerate dissent in any form.

Exactly @Bilal9 bhai! However that trend was too strong by both chetona and others, but chetona intolerance is much more vicious.
The chetona wing is basically established by leftist ( since Chhatra League is too dumb to use their own brain) Chhatra union, who are basically the purest bha-da .
Chhatra League is more of a follower aka third kid of a goat , although they (CL) always have been the foot soldier,as they are good at making chaos .

Although I'm not really a fan of the current BNP leadership, President Zia being our first true leader (as compared to a rabble rouser), had the right practical ideas, forming the SAARC, getting a position of respect in OIC, initiating the formative early cocoon of Bangladeshi nationalism etc. He taught us how to have a backbone and negotiating from a position of strength with Indian bullies. I have seen footage on Youtube which showed him digging canals with workers with 'Kodal' in hand.

Of course bhai, zia is not only the true leader, but also the greatest administrator in the history of Bangladesh, IMHO .

(Then probably comes Erashad but only (as administrator , not as leader.He really don't have any better leading influence as he is an idiot play boy aka hedonistic type. )

And also Zia ( and Ershad) was a general so naturally highly qualified man too unlike our uneducated politicians.
Apart from this zia had a pure heart and feelings for common folks.

His begum (and her sons) of course managed to kick out all the technocrats and political thinkers from BNP itself putting us in a place where we belong now.

Yes bhai, only if begam zia would not be the leader of BNP,
BNP would be nearly invincible as the continuation of Muslim league.
He not only kicked good leaders but also made this party dynastic as she is the Queen and others are slaves.
She utterly destroyed every sector in BD, specially electricity sector .
As I said before, I leave in a small district town and in my area I myself suffer from 16/17 hours loadsheding in cruel summer. And many more you probably know other chaos made by them.
1991 BNP regime was good. But from 2001 it became hell, and also the robbed military budget . Now they are paying price. I just end the tyranny of this family in BNP.
And then not only BNP will survive , but it will be the cause of the doom of BAL, if BAL doesn't change its chetona business ( that's there main political tool).

Muktomona (a bunch of fifth-columnists) has but only a single objective, turn patriot Bangladeshis into blind India-followers....

Exactly bhai, and also BAL Govt is supplying chetona fuel to such thugs.
Unfortunately as a patriot Bangladeshi I can't oppose BAL now, as you see the development of BD under their regime.

So I want BAL in power for another time at any cost to continue their plan.

Honestly bhai , I seriously feel pain and also curse sometimes the unworthy family members of the great late president ziaur rahman, because they are not, only opposite to Mr ziaur rahman, but also they have drowned his name, and also utterly destroyed his ideology in , and cancelled his development model in Bangladesh.

And also if the development would happen under BNP, atleast we would not be in such identity problem of chetona pushing .
Who knows maybe it's an examination of almighty Allah to taste our faith ( it's only my personal opinion).

I seriously wish BNP will revive again under new leadership who will strictly follow the development model that Mr ziaur rahman started.

 

[Mage]

Of course bhai, zia is not only the true leader, but also the greatest administrator in the history of Bangladesh, IMHO .

(Then probably comes Erashad but only (as administrator , not as leader.He really don't have any better leading influence as he is an idiot play boy aka hedonistic type. )

And also Zia ( and Ershad) was a general so naturally highly qualified man too unlike our uneducated politicians.
Apart from this zia had a pure heart and feelings for common folks.

Ershad was the worst.........that's why he has such image....now he only has some support left in Rangpur.

Fakhruddin was probably the best after Zia...that time, although short was good...but people are too ignorent, they had to bring the two Begums back.....at least the better one came to power.

 

[Centaur]

Fakhruddin was probably the best after Zia

He was under semi military rule so basically army was in power. So I don't count him. But yes that time was really great.
And about Ershad it's just from our elders, all peoples (I know) who are old praise Ershad regime . So I admit I have no other sources about Ershad regime.
But also don't believe present days propaganda against him.

 

[Mage]

He was under semi military rule so basically army was in power. So I don't count him.

We have had good leadership.....but we couldn't keep them.....imagine if Mahathir was killed or thrown out after two years....would Malaysia be as advanced as today? Sometimes I feel Bangladesh as a nation has too much bad luck....l

 

[Centaur]

We have had good leadership.....but we couldn't keep them.....imagine if Mahathir was killed or thrown out after two years....would Malaysia be as advanced as today? Sometimes I feel Bangladesh as a nation has too much bad luck....l

Yes no disagreement.

 

[Kaniska]

Felani and others are being killed by BSF were smugglers, Also no civilians are killed by BSF ( and by BDR too,) except some smugglers! I am convinced.

#####Har kadam barhaye za , khushi geet gaye za, ye zindege hi hay quam ki, Tu kaum pe lutaye za .
Tu sher e hind age Barh, Marne se ab Tu na daar, urhake dushman ( Felani the smuggler) o ka Sar.......... Jay peyara Hindustan , keep shooting BD smugglers like Felani with the help of BDR ######

What other BD fellows think about this?
@Bilal9 , @UKBengali, @Homo Sapiens, @bluesky. @Skies , @The Last Jedi
Remember guys the are smugglers, and since BSF isn't police force
They will shoot trespassers at sight .
Sobai jaina rakhen kintu... . Ekkere bedbakko, kajei khub khial koira kintu bhai sob.

The best part of India and BD relation is about the goodwil and respect for BD as a nation that is in India..Chinies poster will not understand it as they always go by cost benifit analysis with their all relationship with friends.

India and BD border is prone to illegal tresspassing by both nations..If someone is illegal, he is ought to be punished...Pakistan and Chines posters see the few illegals that are killed by BSF but they do not see, the amount of normal people from both nations visit both nations every year...We might have difference in opinion in certain areas..Certainly, BD is not seen as a enemey nations by Indian people nor Indian people wish any -ve things for them...Rather most of us, are feeling happy about the progress and development of BD in economic front....

BSF is the face of the savage Hindu India.
Only the Barman's are more savages.

Come up with a rational logic when some sensible discussion is going on...Any illegals will be treated in the same way by both countries...We do not prevent you to kill illegals from India too...So why there is so much of fuss about punishing illegal people across the border.

 

[Centaur]

he is ought to be punished

Punish them , catch them imprison them ,
just don't shoot them at sight .

 

[Bilal9]

We do not prevent you to kill illegals from India too

I do not believe you understand the gravity of the situation. I am not going to make personal conjecture on yourself, but how would you feel if this was one of your family members that was forced to cross the border illegally like this - for whatever strange reason? How strong could the reason be to perform this illegal act, to brave bullets and pay the ultimate price?

Would you still advocate killing them? What about your own parents or offspring in that situation?

Have you thought this through?

No matter what label - you want to treat people as subjects of lethal target practice? These are still human beings, with families and relationships, just like you and me regardless of any label (Indian/Bangladeshi) put on them. What difference does it make what label these poor people have? Would they do this if they had another option?

Only an unprofessional army or paramilitary force shoots on sight. And that too in wartime. Although I think the time is soon coming when Indians will be crossing illegally some day too - I doubt the BGB will shoot on sight. They have some professionalism left.

Please take this OT discussion somewhere else if you want to continue.

 

[prashantazazel]

Yes but our sea God @Neptune_ believes that BSF don't shoot commoners ,but they only shoot some smugglers as their duty.
Ahaha Ahaha alhamdulillah.



Jay peyara Hindustan ..... Jay righteous BSF, keep killing smugglers of BD joy ho. ...

@UKBengali

What are these people doing at the border?
A lot of countries will shoot you if you try to illegally cross borders.

 

[Centaur]

A lot of countries will shoot you if you try to illegally cross borders.

Unfortunately you are wrong.

What are these people doing at the border?

Atleast they are not at war with India, so you can't shoot them at site.

 

[prashantazazel]

@The Last Jedi
If Two Nation Theory is false why Bangladesh exists? Its already ruled by its proxy, it can merge into India and help millions of discriminated bangla migrants in India become citizens.

You have no idea of the problems Muslims face in nations where they are minorities. From Europe to North America thy are invisible and targeted by the media. FRom India to MYanmar, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Phillipines they face a different discrimination. In Russia and Balkans they face another kind of persecution. If a person equates a Muslim of his country to a Muslim thousands of miles away because of his religion and tries to create a narrative based on the person miles away to impose on him/her then that nation is not treating muslims well. Communities with Muslim religion are more vulnerable in minority than majority. In India they can't buy a flat, In Myanmar they can't get an ID or be called citizens. FRom Phillipines to India to Bulgaria to Russia, communities with Muslim faith have faced ethnic cleansing and displacement in worst forms.

Both Phillipines and India have been adjudged of committing war crimes and ethnic cleansing in their territory. India persecuted against Muslims in Punjab, Hyderabad state, Bengal [1947] and now Occupied Kashmir. Phillipines has a Muslim population [Moros] on its southern island Mindanao and small islands Pahlawan and Sulu where it has subjected them to massacres, displacements, rapes, killings, etc.... Both India and Phillipines have been trying for observer status in OIC with help from opportunist allies, initially Iran now Bangladesh. Both want to join OIC to quell voices about their ctions and history against Muslims. India has become a Hindu Taliban state under Modi, it kills Bangladeshis, Nepalis on the border and UP and Kashmiri Muslims in custody. It wishes an Akhand Bharat to reconvert Muslims from Afghanistan to Bangladesh to Sanatan Dharma for which it does deception, as learnt in Art of War by Sun Tzu.

If muslims are friendly with the population of the country they are in, they will not get discriminated against. If you fight the majority, the majority will likely fight you back.
Aside from this, the community needs to follow the laws of the country they are in ..

Unfortunately you are wrong.


Atleast they are not at war with India, so you can't shoot them at site.

The kind of people that cross borders illegally aren't welcome in India.
Some will be caught and deported , some may end up getting shot( probably if they refuse to turn back/surrender).
There are normal channels available to cross the border. Use them.

 

[Bilal9]

If muslims are friendly with the population of the country they are in, they will not get discriminated against. If you fight the majority, the majority will likely fight you back.
Aside from this, the community needs to follow the laws of the country they are in ..

I don't think you should look at it with a Hindu/Muslim lens, as you are right now.

Here is an article from Human Rights watch from 2010, see how many dead are Hindus as well.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2010/12/...ive-use-force-indian-troops-bangladesh-border

"The Indian Border Security Force (BSF) justifies the killing of suspects by claiming that they were evading arrest, or that they had to fire in self-defense. However, in the cases investigated by Human Rights Watch, the alleged criminals were armed with nothing but sickles, sticks, and knives, commonly carried by villagers in the area. The police reports filed by the BSF seldom mention injuries received by the BSF’s own personnel which suggest that the border guards may have used lethal force instead of attempting arrest. In a number of cases, the victims were shot in the back, indicating that they may have been shot while running away. In others, injuries indicating victims were shot at close range, support allegations that they may have been killed while in custody.

Section 46 of India’s Code of Criminal Procedure states that it is permissible to use “all means necessary” when a person attempts forcibly to resist arrest, but it also clearly forbids causing the death of a person who is not accused of an offence punishable by death or a life term.[49] Cattle-rustling is not such an offense. In other words, under domestic law, while authorities may use force to detain such a suspect, they cannot use lethal force to do so. However, no international law or standard permits the use of lethal force on the grounds that a person is suspected of a crime that carries life imprisonment or the death penalty. BSF members violate domestic and international laws when killing Indian and Bangladeshi nationals."

I believe we are still engaged in OT conversation - let's take this somewhere else.

The kind of people that cross borders illegally aren't welcome in India.
Some will be caught and deported , some may end up getting shot( probably if they refuse to turn back/surrender).
There are normal channels available to cross the border. Use them.

I don't think Indians or Bangladeshi poor people of that poverty level realize your analysis - and not a heck of a lot are going for 'better opportunities' in India. They have other things in mind (cattle rustling which is profitable).

People of either side will cross border illegally - that is a given. Especially when borders are as populated as they are in those areas.

You cannot however have a policy of shooting to kill unless there is a threat to lives and property. Suppose we tell our BGB to shoot BSF members who routinely cross border to steal livestock and produce (which they do because of low pay). Where does it all end?

 

[prashantazazel]

I don't think you should look at it with a Hindu/Muslim lens, as you are right now.

Here is an article from Human Rights watch from 2010, see how many dead are Hindus as well.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2010/12/...ive-use-force-indian-troops-bangladesh-border

"The Indian Border Security Force (BSF) justifies the killing of suspects by claiming that they were evading arrest, or that they had to fire in self-defense. However, in the cases investigated by Human Rights Watch, the alleged criminals were armed with nothing but sickles, sticks, and knives, commonly carried by villagers in the area. The police reports filed by the BSF seldom mention injuries received by the BSF’s own personnel which suggest that the border guards may have used lethal force instead of attempting arrest. In a number of cases, the victims were shot in the back, indicating that they may have been shot while running away. In others, injuries indicating victims were shot at close range, support allegations that they may have been killed while in custody.

Section 46 of India’s Code of Criminal Procedure states that it is permissible to use “all means necessary” when a person attempts forcibly to resist arrest, but it also clearly forbids causing the death of a person who is not accused of an offence punishable by death or a life term.[49] Cattle-rustling is not such an offense. In other words, under domestic law, while authorities may use force to detain such a suspect, they cannot use lethal force to do so. However, no international law or standard permits the use of lethal force on the grounds that a person is suspected of a crime that carries life imprisonment or the death penalty. BSF members violate domestic and international laws when killing Indian and Bangladeshi nationals."

I believe we are still engaged in OT conversation - let's take this somewhere else.



I don't think Indians or Bangladeshi poor people of that poverty level realize your analysis - and not a heck of a lot are going for 'better opportunities'. They have other things in mind (cattle rustling which is profitable).

People of either side will cross border illegally - that is a given. Especially when borders are as populated as they are in those areas.

You cannot however have a policy of shooting to kill unless there is a threat to lives and property. Suppose we tell our BGB to shoot BSF members who routinely cross border to steal livestock and produce (which they do because of low pay). Where does it all end?

That reply was for someone else who was talking about the problems Muslims face in other countries.

Yeah, there are probably some unwarranted killings. Army/security forces aren't the nicest folk around.

 

[A.A. Khan]

If muslims are friendly with the population of the country they are in, they will not get discriminated against. If you fight the majority, the majority will likely fight you back.
Aside from this, the community needs to follow the laws of the country they are in ..

I can speak about one community as I've lived there for few years. In Malaysia, Indonesia, Southern Thailand and Southern Phillipines there are around 7-8.5 million Hindus living amongst majority Muslims. Also add in 2.5 million Hindus in Pakistan and 3.1 million living in GCC []UAE, Saudi Arab, Kuwait,etc..] Compare there situation to Indian Muslims. As per UN Charter a religous is defined as a group that practices its religion freely away from religious or social dogma. Most 'practicing Indian Muslims' are on or below poverty line, lesser in middle class. The 'successful Indian Muslims' are all minority in Muslims are Agnostic, Atheist, Bohri and Ismaili. It means if that person name is persian or arabi, Hindu will adjudge him/her a Muslim, and if its against Islam than Hindu will call him a secualr Muslim many who don't call themselves muslim like Tasleema Nasreen. Most Indian Muslims are employed in Middle East and foreign countries. Most are based in ghettoes [Segregated colonies] in Jamianagar [DElhi]. Thane-Mumbra[Mumbai], Juhapura[Ahmedabad]. All these places are called 'little Pakistan' by BJP Ministers and local Hindu populace, so rofl Indian way of integration. Hindus living in above mentioned countries live in neighbourhoods swarmed with majority community whereas an Indian Muslim can't even rent/buy a place in a Hindu apartment or residential area. Not only this homicides, lynchings, rape, mob violence for issue like eating beef [whether its cow or not]. Millions of Bangladeshi Muslim migrants for 40+ years have been living in slums without being provided any facility or ID.
India tops Social Hostility index for last few years better than many Muslim countries , a PEw Forum sta that deals with religous violence and other restrictions. India is officially a Hindu Taliban state for its minorities,