Balance Of Air Power In South Asia

[waz]

We can't be an arms importer like India, Pakistan will be forced to build its aircraft at home.

If the get a good deal and can build domestically then so be it. There is currently no nation making such an offer. Pakistan can team up with the Turks and Chinese, but both nations have significantly better industrial capabilities. This is what I mean about the economy. Building a jet with power outages? It doesn't look great.

 

[YeBeWarned]

you are wrong a strong enemy always fights a WAR on his terms and not on your terms or your strong points and its not that only you have cruise or air launched cruise missiles or AWACS or other such anty missile defnces

i'd will be more concerned if you say " your Enemy is Intelligent " , but i guess that some how justify my point , Indians Fan boys always see things in term on Quantity which is described by their Govt without realizing the Fact that No Country can put his entire AF in to the border under any conflict .. that is why we keep seeing chest thumping on these 250+ MKI will be pitched against 80+ F-16's ...and other BS.
Please remind me if i miss that Nirbhay is Operational?

and i never wrote that India did not have a SAM coverage ... let me copy paste something for you from my Previous post . "PAF will be invading Indian Air Space only when they find a lose Opportunity to bomb Air Field and SAM location , that too can be done by Stand off weapons "

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/balance-of-air-power-in-south-asia.457387/page-7#ixzz4Nuw6BkHe

 

[waz]

Sir with due respect , i disagree with you .. Actually if you imagine a Full Scale War Scenario , majority of the Air Battles will be fought over either Pakistani Air space, or on the border Area .. PAF will be invading Indian Air Space only when they find a lose Opportunity to bomb Air Field and SAM location , that too can be done by Stand off weapons like Raad .. if you see the Scenario all together , PAF is very well capable of Defending its skies against India ... but they do have Numerical Superiority which means very little if you consider the above situation + the very well Protected Net Centric Environment with 3 level Air Defense Systems ..

Yes, I agree with you on many points, and penetrating Pakistani air space will be tough, but do remember there is no naval arm, so how far do you think the PAF will be stretched. India will hit Pakistan, in a limited conventional exchange at its weakest point i.e. the navy and Karachi. Will the PAF be diverted to aid in the defence of Pakistan's most populous city, whilst flankers prod and probe near the LOC and Punjab border?

 

[Hassan Guy]

If the get a good deal and can build domestically then so be it. There is currently no nation making such an offer. Pakistan can team up with the Turks and Chinese, but both nations have significantly better industrial capabilities. This is what I mean about the economy. Building a jet with power outages? It doesn't look great.

Maybe Ukraine, I heard they plan on building a domestic fighter.

 

[Preacher]

addition of J20 will give PAF the much needed edge

F-22 will give the PAF a much better edge - but is it possible to procure ?

 

[$@rJen]

Precisely. From a dogfight POV probably not. Which is why Pakistan has a very advanced and comprehensive missle system to shoot down advanced fighter jets to deny indian superiority over Pakistani airspace. If we didn't then india would have attacked Pakistan after mumbai 2008. That ratio you state has been well and truly nullified.

No... We didn't attack you in 2008 because we're a responsible state.. our priority was economy not war... even after the terror attack it was pakistan who moved the forces first not india... india was putting political pressure not military one.

Now leaving that aside...'' comprehensive missile'' r u talking about bvr or sams.... because in both catagory india will lead..

No one will fight the Chinese, that's one idea people need to get out of their heads.

Why... because they're invisible! !!!!? What makes you think Chinese will fight India because of Pakistan??? Like i said.. india facing 2 frontal war will be a ww3 that's when china will face 4 front...

 

[waz]

Maybe Ukraine, I heard they plan on building a domestic fighter.

They're poor as hell bro and want the EU. The Eastern part wants Russia. It's not even viable.

 

[Khan_21]

What happened kiddo no more answers.... go learn about what we did to ur navy and karachi port in 71.



25% in pakistan is called nearly finished!!!
Kid u achieved that rate because our planes were much inferior to that of paf at that time.... now with the quality and quantity.. you'll be whooped... what happened to the glories paf in 99?? Why did they watched the onslaught of northern light infantry without doing anything

Just like we got whooped in 2001 and 2008? oh wait you had to run away .

In 2002

In 2008

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/why-india-didnt-strike-pakistan-after-26-11/1/498952.html

You lacked the balls on both occasions . Indians are masters in only talking . Very much like your media you can give people migraine just by talking all day long.

 

[$@rJen]

When did I say Pakistan get need help???

And when did i say india need help from someone else

Just like we got whooped in 2001 and 2008? oh wait you run to run away .

In 2002

In 2008

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/why-india-didnt-strike-pakistan-after-26-11/1/498952.html

You lacked the balls on both occasions . Indians are masters in only talking . Very much like your media you can give people migraine just by talking all day long.

Lol... you're bringing me a video of a coward who captured the empty indian posts in kargil.. and the guy who didn't want to accept the brave soldiers who paid the price for his poor planning! !! That's indeed funny

 

[waz]

Why... because they're invisible! !!!!? What makes you think Chinese will fight India because of Pakistan??? Like i said.. india facing 2 frontal war will be a ww3 that's when china will face 4 front...

They are not invincible, but they have massive conventional superiority over their foes. That makes nations nervous and very hesitant to engage them. I didn't say the Chinese will fight for Pakistan . I said the India will "worry" about them, the extent of that depends on many things.
By the way, the four front you talk of, which nations will they derive from?

 

[YeBeWarned]

Yes, I agree with you on many points, and penetrating Pakistani air space will be tough, but do remember there is no naval arm, so how far do you think the PAF will be stretched. India will hit Pakistan, in a limited conventional exchange at its weakest point i.e. the navy and Karachi. Will the PAF be diverted to aid in the defence of Pakistan's most populous city, whilst flankers prod and probe near the LOC and Punjab border?

There is no disagreement that we are short of some Flankers or heavy weight fighters specifically for Anti-ship Role .. but even if we assume that PAF is far stretched, but if we see the Navy and their Recent Purchases they are more into building a potent Sub force , now what i am assuming here that once we start to get our Chinese AIP Subs than navy will not be on Defensive , they will be more of a threat to any Challenge presented by IN and its Naval arm ... i'd say without any Doubt that if the War stretched for more than 1 week we will be in trouble and Pakistan has to be lucky all the time on every front they will open ..

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

thats what they dont want to talk about and chinese skip that question aswell so for the valid reasons

thing is no one helps a weaker agressor when he is loosing a war with a winning or the bigger party and when two opposing giants have to make peace the usually the middleman or the courtjester or the waeker third party is always made the sacrifical lamb and it has always played over and over again in the history (since this thread is about air power and pakistanies think they have the best fighter pilots the in WW2 Polls were instrumental in winning battle of britain for britain but we all kbow what happened after the warto Poland... think about it)

EXACTLY. And our nuclear weapons will guarantee Pakistan's survival. Not to me

No... We didn't attack you in 2008 because we're a responsible state.. our priority was economy not war... even after the terror attack it was pakistan who moved the forces first not india... india was putting political pressure not military one.

Now leaving that aside...'' comprehensive missile'' r u talking about bvr or sams.... because in both catagory india will lead..

No you didn't attack because you can't. Anything else is just sugar coating to hide the painful fact that india does not have the ability to carry out a successful military attack against Pakistan. The Indian military high command are FULLY aware of Pakistan's SAM and our thermonuclear capabilities which is why they refuse to attack Pakistan despite being at least 7× bigger than Pakistan and having abundant access to all the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst being denied that privilege ourselves:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

 

[waz]

There is no disagreement that we are short of some Flankers or heavy weight fighters specifically for Anti-ship Role .. but even if we assume that PAF is far stretched, but if we see the Navy and their Recent Purchases they are more into building a potent Sub force , now what i am assuming here that once we start to get our Chinese AIP Subs than navy will not be on Defensive , they will be more of a threat to any Challenge presented by IN and its Naval arm ... i'd say without any Doubt that if the War stretched for more than 1 week we will be in trouble and Pakistan has to be lucky all the time on every front they will open ..

Pakistan needs sizeable acquisitions of surface ships, or of domestically built ships. Submarines will not cut it. Also being lucky on every front is a very precarious position to be in.

 

[GURU DUTT]

i'd will be more concerned if you say " your Enemy is Intelligent " , but i guess that some how justify my point , Indians Fan boys always see things in term on Quantity which is described by their Govt without realizing the Fact that No Country can put his entire AF in to the border under any conflict .. that is why we keep seeing chest thumping on these 250+ MKI will be pitched against 80+ F-16's ...and other BS.
Please remind me if i miss that Nirbhay is Operational?

and i never wrote that India did not have a SAM coverage ... let me copy paste something for you from my Previous post . "PAF will be invading Indian Air Space only when they find a lose Opportunity to bomb Air Field and SAM location , that too can be done by Stand off weapons "

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/balance-of-air-power-in-south-asia.457387/page-7#ixzz4Nuw6BkHe

so you think we are sitting ducks and not monitorring air traffic movements in pakistan when we have very long range multi band and multi layered PESA and AESA 2D&3D ground and Aerostat based radar coverage scanning your entire airspace 24X7X365

thing is smart and powerfull enemies always fight war inside its weaker enemies home so the colatorall dose not have effect on his home ground as for MKI or Nirbhay well they should be last of your worries

 

[Khan_21]

And when did i say india need help from someone else



Lol... you're bringing me a video of a coward who captured the empty indian posts in kargil.. and the guy who didn't want to accept the brave soldiers who paid the price for his poor planning! !! That's indeed funny

You mean the same guy that even crossed LOC and spend a night there while Indians were sleeping ?

The point is you lacked balls on both occasions .