Balance Of Air Power In South Asia

[ravi gupta]

the mki is a pesa radar, not aesa, therefore requiring far more maintenance and prone to breakdowns. Having said that, whatever ew the mki along with the phalcon and m2k and mig29s has to offer is not alien technology and is easily matched by the current combination of zdk03, erieye2000, jft and f16s (blk 52s and older) along with their own ew and ecw suites that they have. And btw, the sd10 aam can easily target the mki at 100km at high altitudes. We haven't even begun to talk about the havoc the aim120c can unleash. Face it, the mki mig29 and m2k combo is really not as dangerous as you have made yourself believe.

Also kindly inlight us how will you counter Rafale with meteor missile.
Your F-16,JFT does not have aesa either.

 

[GumNaam]

Also kindly inlight us how will you counter Rafale with meteor missile.
Your F-16,JFT does not have aesa either.

lets cross the rafale bridge when you actually get it. JFT blk3 will have aesa, that's also confirmed. The PAF saab 2000 and zdk03 use aesa radar and coupled with real time data link, the fighter plane pilots see what what they see and bear in mind that irst is somewhat of a game changer that heavily dampens any ew capabilities you may possess. Admittedly, not much is known about PAFs IRST capabilites on account of secrecy but needless to say, it is either already deployed or being actively pursued. I don't know which platforms exactly but here's a very indicative hint (look closely) :

 

[ravi gupta]

lets cross the rafale bridge when you actually get it. JFT blk3 will have aesa, that's also confirmed. The PAF saab 2000 and zdk03 use aesa radar and coupled with real time data link, the fighter plane pilots see what what they see and bear in mind that irst is somewhat of a game changer that heavily dampens any ew capabilities you may possess. Admittedly, not much is known about PAFs IRST capabilites on account of secrecy but needless to say, it is either already deployed or being actively pursued. I don't know which platforms exactly but here's a very indicative hint (look closely) :

Rafale deal is confirm and start arriving from 2019.
Can you confirm which AESA or IRST in block-3,no need to mention any speculation thread going in PDF.
PAF is still assembling blk-2 without that.Our first target in conflict will be your AWACS and to make PAF blind.apart
SEAD/DEAD operation.

 

[danger007]

Rafale deal is confirm and start arriving from 2019.
Can you confirm which AESA or IRST in block-3,no need to mention any speculation thread going in PDF.
PAF is still assembling blk-2 without that.Our first target in conflict will be your AWACS and to make PAF blind.apart
SEAD/DEAD operation.

He forgot Super standard upgrade program for Mki... lol these guys account speculation and boast capabilities by ignoring IAF birds..

 

[CorporateAffairs]

India looks to balance power in Asia, few people are still drooling over S.Asia ?

 

[aliyusuf]

Rafale deal is confirm and start arriving from 2019.
Can you confirm which AESA or IRST in block-3,no need to mention any speculation thread going in PDF.
PAF is still assembling blk-2 without that.Our first target in conflict will be your AWACS and to make PAF blind.apart
SEAD/DEAD operation.

Sir you have the right to your opinion. Just like everybody else has to theirs. My opinion is that by the end of next year, Block-II production should be completed and also overlapped with or soon afterwards the appearance of the first Block-III prototype. The components and subsystems list have been finalized or close to finalization for the Block-III. This has been revealed in the media recently (as usual in its bungling way). Although the list itself and the finalized design has not been revealed yet. There might be delays in achieving all this (which wouldn't be the first time). But the delays will certainly not be something like the LCA program or the MMRCA program.

There is a very strong likelihood that KLJ-7A would be installed on the Block-III. The HMD and & IRST selection has not been revealed yet. Your assertions about going after our AWACS makes sense. But how much would be achieved in that context as things stand today is something that can be debated (we Pakistanis certainly will) and I certainly hope that we all do not get to find that out for real.

 

[ravi gupta]

Sir you have the right to your opinion. Just like everybody else has to theirs. My opinion is that by the end of next year, Block-II production should be completed and also overlapped with or soon afterwards the appearance of the first Block-III prototype. The components and subsystems list have been finalized or close to finalization for the Block-III. This has been revealed in the media recently (as usual in its bungling way). Although the list itself and the finalized design has not been revealed yet. There might be delays in achieving all this (which wouldn't be the first time). But the delays will certainly not be something like the LCA program or the MMRCA program.

There is a very strong likelihood that KLJ-7A would be installed on the Block-III. The HMD and & IRST selection has not been revealed yet. Your assertions about going after our AWACS makes sense. But how much would be achieved in that context as things stand today is something that can be debated (we Pakistanis certainly will) and I certainly hope that we all do not get to find that out for real.

Definately block -III will take time since you want to improve JFT to 4-Gen aircraft by adding,AESA,IRST,HMD,HOBS missile then only it will make sense in future warfare,and if you have inducted all this JFT will be quiet potent platform in your PAF arsenal,Now since you added LCA let me tell you all this features i mention above is finalised in future make of LCA and will start inducting soon in IAF as LWT fighters and only be used as a interceptor or CAS mission not as a backbone of IAF.
Defending of AWACS will depend on who will have air superiority.

 

[volatile]

PAF JF17 is mainly used for back bone and replacing all other platforms (150 -200) BVR /AESA
PAF F16 will complement F17`s provided JF17 avionics in block 3 will be superior to F16`s but F16 payload carrying and A2G managements are excellent. AMRAAMS are killer

Mystery platform : Gen 5/ Flankers May be will be for offensive and deep strike

 

[aliyusuf]

LCA let me tell you all this features i mention above is finalised in future make of LCA and will

And now since you went a step further ahead with it ... allow me to just to mention ... how everything with the LCA is in the future tense ... and it has been always so since the better part of the 90s ... then the millennial decade and now even in the current decade.

 

[ravi gupta]

And now since you went a step further ahead with it ... allow me to just to mention ... how everything with the LCA is in the future tense ... and it has been always so since the better part of the 90s ... then the millennial decade and now even in the current decade.

Sir,this thread is not for LCA but for the balance of power.
The point i want to make is if JFT has to be potent and to make some difference need to be
4 gen and must include AESA.IRST,HMD and HOBS missile,role of LCA is interceptor,CAS.
If you want to discount LCA do it,as there is a very little chance of engage.
it is very difficult for PAF to counter S-400LR and Barak MR-SAM.

 

[MastanKhan]

lets cross the rafale bridge when you actually get it. JFT blk3 will have aesa, that's also confirmed. The PAF saab 2000 and zdk03 use aesa radar and coupled with real time data link, the fighter plane pilots see what what they see and bear in mind that irst is somewhat of a game changer that heavily dampens any ew capabilities you may possess. Admittedly, not much is known about PAFs IRST capabilites on account of secrecy but needless to say, it is either already deployed or being actively pursued. I don't know which platforms exactly but here's a very indicative hint (look closely) :

Hi,

I am surprised at your post---. You don't wait for the enemy to get the weapon in hand---. You have to plan ahead of time and then counter plan as well---.

When the start and duration of acquisition has a somewhat 10 years time frame---you cannot chase th tail---otherwise you will always be dragged behind---.

Like in this case---the Paf is running around like a chicken with its head chopped off---clueless where to go.

 

[Jammer]

Like in this case---the Paf is running around like a chicken with its head chopped off---clueless where to go.

Mastan, this is sad, you went from making interesting points and adding useful tidbits of information to the Uncle one hides in the attic because he makes absolutely absurd claims and makes completely ridiculous emotional statements. Were you rejected from PAF selection and are therefore extremely bitter? What is it? We want the rational Mastan back, the one without out of control emotional outbursts. Not too much to ask from a senior member, no?

 

[Asifkamal]

Now India is going for 90 Grippen C/D . Almost confirmed. Can anyone tell me what making hurdles for Pakistan to procure 50 J10 at 2 billion dollars??? Or to get 24 second hand Eurofighter from italy? How longer we will wait?

 

[GumNaam]

Hi,

I am surprised at your post---. You don't wait for the enemy to get the weapon in hand---. You have to plan ahead of time and then counter plan as well---.

When the start and duration of acquisition has a somewhat 10 years time frame---you cannot chase th tail---otherwise you will always be dragged behind---.

Like in this case---the Paf is running around like a chicken with its head chopped off---clueless where to go.

Thats what you don't understand. The PAF will hide what it is going to do, what it is going to procure and what it is going to make. If it can be hidden then it will be hidden. They normally announce the manufacture of or procurement of platforms like the F16s and JFTs since those can't be easily hidden. But when it comes to other capabilities like EW, ECM and/or ECCM and even AAMs, they prefer to keep things close to their chests. So your guess is as good as mine with regards to how will the counter the rafael but rest assured, they are not sleeping nor chasing a tail. PAF's electronic warfare capabilities are a very closely guarded secret and I can understand your frustration since their silence sends across the message that maybe these capabilites don't exist after all. Bear in mind, in 1998, the mere 3 week silence in conducting nuclear tests sent alarms thru the Pakistani people and joy thru the indian people that maybe Pakistan can't make nuclear weapons after all. Much to our joy and the dismay of the indians, that assumption proved to be erroneous. Also bear in mind that throughout the 90s, when the PAF supposedly did not possess and bvr capabilites, what stopped the indian air force from conducting air strikes in Pakistan during the kargil war in spite of supposedly enjoying an apparent qualitative and quantitative edge over the PAF? After all, they had the mkis, m2ks, mig29s, all with bvr capabilities, didn't they? None of our aircrafts had bvr so what stopped them from achieving air superiority in an environment where they desperately needed it? What stopped them? Yeah sure, they tried twice and were put in their place my shoulder fired sams but they could've easily used their bvr capabilites at high altitudes where the shoulder fired missiles couldn't reach them. So why didn't the iaf use that advantage? Needless to say, they would have IF that could have. The problem is that that could not. We may never know what did the PAF possess that stopped the iaf. So what can I say, the Pakistani military keeps things as secret as possible which sends across the wrong message of us not being prepared causing a lot frustration. But given the past history, I am confident that we are prepared. We will announce it when the time is right. Just have faith. Trust me on this, the PAF knows what it's doing.

 

[B2B]

None of our aircrafts had bvr so what stopped them from achieving air superiority in an environment where they desperately needed it? What stopped them? Yeah sure, they tried twice and were put in their place my shoulder fired sams but they could've easily used their bvr capabilites at high altitudes where the shoulder fired missiles couldn't reach them.

Sorry to selectively quote but its too much of b***s*** propaganda.
Air superiority over which environment ? Kargil war theater or Pakistani air space ? I believe the war happened over Indian controlled territory. ( God knows if that part of history is existent by now ). So you mean to say Indians did not have air superiority over their own area , because some lunatic , beard had a donkey's load on his shoulders.

Who stopped whom ? your soldiers were butchered in Kargil who did not even receive their last rights and honour to return to the soil they valiantly fought for.

IAF tried to achieve air-superiority twice and denied by shoulder fired missiles. Really man i would like to join your coaching classes, they are amazing.

IAF did not cross LOC officially nor was the operation aimed at crossing and starting a full scale war. Operation was targeted to relieve the Indian peaks of Pakistani occupants.

Who went where and begged for what all the world knows except the blinded ones.