BAE System is hiring Engineers for the TF-X program

[UKBengali]

The bold part is coming from the mentality, contrary to you I believe Turkish can compete with the west in engine technology, it might not soon, but they will reach that level inshaAllah. Dont forget Qatar financial backing as well in Turkish engine project.

There is proposal from Kale and RR to develop TFX engine but Turkey rather chose F 110 that is currently mass produced under license (although critical parts are produced in US). Maybe to develop new engine by using F 110 as a base will give Turkish better path to reach independency in the future. I dont know why they reject Kale-RR proposal but it may be because of that.

I think it was due to tech transfer that RR was not willing to provide.

 

[eagleeye]

I am not sure but it is not tech transfer rather export restriction

 

[damm1t]

Erdogan pushing Islamism there isn't a lot of Turkish students willing to study science and technology in university.

Ironically, head designer of Turkish drone program is a good patriot and Erdogan's son in law, also "islamist". Moreover he organizes annual "Teknofest" technology fair to encourage Turkish students to join with their projects for competitions in the field of robotics, AI, drones, rockets, software, model satellites etc. Winners get prizes and funding for the projects.

%90 of your assumptions are based on incorrect prejudice.

 

[cabatli_53]

Sorry but I do not think Turkey has any chance of using it’s own engine in TFX.
It will always be reliant on foreign engines.

Bro, Turkish engine institutes are working on most advanced US and European engine programs as manufacturing partner. They have been manufacturing most difficult dynamic engine components for not only US fighters but also airliners so Don’t be pessimistic for Turkish engine programs.

Besides, When SSB issued tender for Tf-X engines, Two contender participated for it. RR/Kale JV (TAEC) and TEI. TAEC promised advanced know-how transfered from RR but TEI promised to develop an F-110 equivalent turbofan having a thrust level around 30000lbf within 14 years (from scratch). Can you see the the confidence level TEI has reached ? TEI didn’t make fun with this offer. They have tech and maturity coming from old experiences that they have been still working.

TEI is manufacturing the most critical sections of revolutionary LEAP engine. TEI has around 4 billion $ work volume in LEAP engines as being the best supplier of the World (selected by GE and Safran)

TEI is manufacturing very important sections of GNex engines as being the biggest engine component supplier (for this engine) of the World. They have a workshare worth billions $.

A400M TP-400-D6 engine TEI manufactured engine components

TEI is manufacturing GE T700 turboshaft engines under the licence. Around %70 of this engines are being produced in Turkey and TEI is the sole source of turbine components including blades. TEI produces this engine under the name of T700-TEI-701D at export markets.

TEI is manufacturing F110-GE-129 enginea under the licence. The sections manufactured by TEI ia listed below!

 

[UKBengali]

Bro, Turkish engine institutes are working on most advanced US and European engine programs as manufacturing partner. They have been manufacturing most difficult dynamic engine components for not only US fighters but also airliners so Don’t be pessimistic for Turkish engine programs.

Besides, When SSB issued tender for Tf-X engines, Two contender participated for it. RR/Kale JV (TAEC) and TEI. TAEC promised advanced know-how transfered from RR but TEI promised to develop an F-110 equivalent turbofan having a thrust level around 30000lbf within 14 years (from scratch). Can you see the the confidence level TEI has reached ? TEI didn’t make fun with this offer. They have tech and maturity coming from old experiences that they have been still working.

TEI is manufacturing the most critical sections of revolutionary LEAP engine. TEI has around 4 billion $ work volume in LEAP engines as being the best supplier of the World (selected by GE and Safran)
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TEI is manufacturing very important sections of GNex engines as being the biggest engine component supplier (for this engine) of the World. They have a workshare worth billions $.
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A400M TP-400-D6 engine TEI manufactured engine components
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TEI is manufacturing GE T700 turboshaft engines under the licence. Around %70 of this engines are being produced in Turkey and TEI is the sole source of turbine components including blades. TEI produces this engine under the name of T700-TEI-701D at export markets.
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TEI is manufacturing F110-GE-129 enginea under the licence. The sections manufactured by TEI ia listed below!
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F110 equivalent possible within 15 years.

F119 equivalent possible within 20-25 years.

The problem is that the USA and UK will have better than F119 within 15 years. TFX would need better than F119 performance to be competitive for it’s time.

By all means Turkey should pursue it’s own F110 equivalent to slowly over many many decades catch up with the leaders, but it should also work with the current leaders to co-develop a world class engine to make TFX a competitive fighter when it comes into service.

 

[cabatli_53]

F110 equivalent possible within 15 years.

F119 equivalent possible within 20-25 years.

The problem is that the USA and UK will have better than F119 within 15 years. TFX would need better than F119 performance to be competitive for it’s time.

By all means Turkey should pursue it’s own F110 equivalent to slowly over many many decades catch up with the leaders, but it should also work with the current leaders to co-develop a world class engine to make TFX a competitive fighter when it comes into service.

Bro, Indeed they will develop engines that will fit their new concepts but “Better” is a relative describtion. Turkey is going to develop an engine which is going to meet all requirements of current aerial warfare environment;

-Low by-pass ratio for super cruise ability
-Stealth nozzle characteristics for 5th generation aircrafts
-Relatively powerful thrust ratio at 118cm diameter engine class
-5000h overhaul period ( It was reported that TEI-TS-1400 turboshaft has 2500h at present)

In this aspect, When TurAF required new features within 20 years, Turkish institutes will proceed to add more features on existing engine platforms and continue to provide their best. I mean We should start somewhere instead of sitting on our chairs and telling How great West is doing and How advanced they are in this field.

 

[UKBengali]

Bro, Indeed they will develop engines that will fit their new concepts but “Better” is a relative describtion. Turkey is going to develop an engine which is going to meet all requirements of current aerial warfare environment;

-Low by-pass ratio for super cruise ability
-Stealth nozzle characteristics for 5th generation aircrafts
-Relatively powerful thrust ratio at 118cm diameter engine class
-5000h overhaul period ( It was reported that TEI-TS-1400 turboshaft has 2500h at present)

In this aspect, When TurAF required new features within 20 years, Turkish institutes will proceed to add more features on existing engine platforms and continue to provide their best. I mean We should start somewhere instead of sitting on our chairs and telling How great West is doing and How advanced they are in this field.

The issue is that TFX will be coming into service at a time when next gen fighters from USA/UK are likely to be imminently put into service.

If RR are willing to work with Turkey to co-develop the 6th gen engine, then Turkey should go for it. In parallel Turkey develops the F110 and later on a F119 class engines with of course some of the features of 6th gen engines if that is at all possible.

The right balance needs to be struck between indigenous fighter aircraft development and not compromising performance.

 

[Indos]

Ironically, head designer of Turkish drone program is a good patriot and Erdogan's son in law, also "islamist". Moreover he organizes annual "Teknofest" technology fair to encourage Turkish students to join with their projects for competitions in the field of robotics, AI, drones, rockets, software, model satellites etc. Winners get prizes and funding for the projects.

%90 of your assumptions are based on incorrect prejudice.

Yup, Habibie from Indonesia who is the one behind all of the state owned strategic industry and research agencies is also a hard core Islamist, what a coincident

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The Indonesian Association of Muslim Intellectuals (Indonesian: Ikatan Cendekiawan Muslim Indonesia, ICMI) is a Muslim organization in Indonesia. Founded in 1990 by Indonesian Secretary of Research and Technology B. J. Habibie, the organisation is committed to fight against poverty and improve education in Indonesia.

History
While most Indonesia Muslim politicians had supported the deposing of the Sukarno regime and the suppression of the Communist Party of Indonesia by Indonesian army chief Suharto between 1965 and 1968, Suharto soon began to suppress Indonesia Muslim political activities. Suharto pursued a secular system of government, which along with the high-level appointment of Catholics and patronage of the ethnic Chinese community, led to some Indonesia Muslim political groups becoming opposed to the Suharto regime.

In the early 1990s, Suharto moved his public identity and government considerably towards Islam. Adopting the name Haji Mohammed Suharto, he undertook a hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, Saudi Arabia in 1991. In the prior year, Suharto had permitted the formation of the Indonesian Association of Indonesia Muslim Intellectuals under the influence of Bacharuddin Jusuf Habibie, a close adviser and then-minister of technology and research. As opposed to traditional Islamic organizations in Indonesia such as the Nahdatul Ulama (NU), ICMI supported Suharto's regime in turn for considerable influence in policy-making and administration.

By 1994, ICMI had grown considerably, boasting as many as 20,000 members, who were largely Indonesia Muslim professionals, scientists, economists, educators and scholars. Habibie (who sbecame Suharto's vice-president in 1998) served as ICMI's president while Indonesia Muslim scholars and political activists such as Imaduddin (who had been imprisoned by the Suharto regime in 1979) helped organize the body. Another prominent member was Amien Rais who would later become a major opponent of the Suharto regime and chief of Muhammadiyah, reputedly the largest Islamic organization in the world. While highly-influential during the Suharto era, ICMI lacked a grassroots organisation, public appeal or popular support. Consisting of elite intellectuals, ICMI's influence grew mainly with the patronage of Suharto and his political party, Golkar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_Association_of_Muslim_Intellectuals

 

[damm1t]

Sorry but I do not think Turkey has any chance of using it’s own engine in TFX.
It will always be reliant on foreign engines.

F110 equivalent possible within 15 years.
F119 equivalent possible within 20-25 years.

We came to possible from impossible... Good progress for you

Yup, Habibie from Indonesia who is the one behind all of the state owned strategic industry and research agencies is also a hard core Islamist, what a coincident

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The Indonesian Association of Muslim Intellectuals (Indonesian: Ikatan Cendekiawan Muslim Indonesia, ICMI) is a Muslim organization in Indonesia. Founded in 1990 by Indonesian Secretary of Research and Technology B. J. Habibie, the organisation is committed to fight against poverty and improve education in Indonesia.

History
While most Indonesia Muslim politicians had supported the deposing of the Sukarno regime and the suppression of the Communist Party of Indonesia by Indonesian army chief Suharto between 1965 and 1968, Suharto soon began to suppress Indonesia Muslim political activities. Suharto pursued a secular system of government, which along with the high-level appointment of Catholics and patronage of the ethnic Chinese community, led to some Indonesia Muslim political groups becoming opposed to the Suharto regime.

In the early 1990s, Suharto moved his public identity and government considerably towards Islam. Adopting the name Haji Mohammed Suharto, he undertook a hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, Saudi Arabia in 1991. In the prior year, Suharto had permitted the formation of the Indonesian Association of Indonesia Muslim Intellectuals under the influence of Bacharuddin Jusuf Habibie, a close adviser and then-minister of technology and research. As opposed to traditional Islamic organizations in Indonesia such as the Nahdatul Ulama (NU), ICMI supported Suharto's regime in turn for considerable influence in policy-making and administration.

By 1994, ICMI had grown considerably, boasting as many as 20,000 members, who were largely Indonesia Muslim professionals, scientists, economists, educators and scholars. Habibie (who sbecame Suharto's vice-president in 1998) served as ICMI's president while Indonesia Muslim scholars and political activists such as Imaduddin (who had been imprisoned by the Suharto regime in 1979) helped organize the body. Another prominent member was Amien Rais who would later become a major opponent of the Suharto regime and chief of Muhammadiyah, reputedly the largest Islamic organization in the world. While highly-influential during the Suharto era, ICMI lacked a grassroots organisation, public appeal or popular support. Consisting of elite intellectuals, ICMI's influence grew mainly with the patronage of Suharto and his political party, Golkar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_Association_of_Muslim_Intellectuals

Bro it's mainly about the Muslim concept in white man's mind. They generalise every Muslim nation and state thanks to most Arab countries but countries like Indonesia, Turkey, Pakistan, Malaysia are the progressive Muslim countries. Islam is not against science on the contrary Prophet SAW said "Seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim"

 

[Indos]

In 1965, Habibie delivered his dissertation in aerospace engineering and received the grade of "very good," giving him the title Doktoringenieur (Dr.-Ing.). The same year, he accepted Hans Ebner's offer to continue his research on Thermoelastisitas and work toward his Habilitation, but he declined the offer to join RWTH as a professor. His thesis about light construction for supersonic or hypersonic states also attracted offers of employment from companies such as Boeing and Airbus, which Habibie again declined.[14]

Habibie did accept a position with Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm in Hamburg. There, he developed theories on thermodynamics, construction, and aerodynamics known as the Habibie Factor, Habibie Theorem, and Habibie Method, respectively. He worked for Messerschmitt on the development of the Airbus A-300B aircraft. In 1974, he was promoted to vice president of the company.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._J._Habibie

 

[Mamajama]

Bro it's mainly about the Muslim concept in white man's mind. They generalise every Muslim nation and state thanks to most Arab countries but countries like Indonesia, Turkey, Pakistan, Malaysia are the progressive Muslim countries. Islam is not against science on the contrary Prophet SAW said "Seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim"

Didnt an arab man invent the semi conductor?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_M._Atalla

 

[Oublious]

We came to possible from impossible... Good progress for you



Bro it's mainly about the Muslim concept in white man's mind. They generalise every Muslim nation and state thanks to most Arab countries but countries like Indonesia, Turkey, Pakistan, Malaysia are the progressive Muslim countries. Islam is not against science on the contrary Prophet SAW said "Seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim"

we should stop with the projects and listen to that smart guy. In the end we will have nothing....

 

[damm1t]

Didnt an arab man invent the semi conductor?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_M._Atalla

Mohamed Atalla is a great scientist but do you see Egypt a progressive country right now?

There were many brilliant Arab scientists during history. They mostly lost that light.

 

[Mamajama]

Mohamed Atalla is a great scientist but do you see Egypt a progressive country right now?

No money there Turkey is proto western and in NATO.

 

[damm1t]

No money there Turkey is proto western and in NATO.

What about the ones with money? UAE, SA? Are they progressive ?