Ayatollah Khamenei is preparing Iran for his death

[KaiserX]

90% of your economy is oil. Has been that way for the last 70 year and still is today. Even with sanctions your oil is sold in the black market throughout the world. Ask any balochi in pakistan/afghanistan. If pakistan had even 10% the oil iran has we would be 100x ahead...

Also what are you trying to prove with your thesis on genetics?? All that information is well known but the fact is humans and animals have migrations for hundreds of thousands of years... technically we are all out of africa does that make us africans?

Its truly a shame that Obama made a nuclear deal with Iran giving your nation so much opportunities to expand its oil export and reinvest in into the economy... instead the shia regime took the funds obama provided and gave it to its proxies in the middle east to fight foreign wars. I dont really understand how any sane human let alone an iranian can support such a evil regime

 

[drmeson]

You still have not answered my question.

IVC is more than 7000 years old. Name one civilization in Iranian plateau that's as old. If it's Iranians who came and built IVC, why is Iran so devoid of any signs of civilization that's contemporary to IVC?

Iranic cline is way older than Indus cline lol. Former created later.

Iranic Farmer Cline started at around 9000-10000 BC. It was well established before anything related to Indus emerged because of Iranian Migration into the region. Mehrgarh is the oldest of IVC site in Balochistan and it too emerged at around 7000 BC at earliest ... far later than Iranian Farmer cline.

If you dispute that then I have ammo (published research papers) which I will start posting.

No it's not. He's bull$hitting. A lot of what he says is totally wrong, like Anatolian farmers being same as Iran_N or Anatolians having less Iran_N because of IE ancestry. His knowledge on this topic is laughable. Go to forums like anthrogenica if you want to learn something.

Why do not you post some published research papers (Recognized one) to dispute the fact that IVC was created by Iranian migrants instead of trash talking. How about that ? I have presented two papers above (both are high impact factor western journals). You do same by posting research papers that say IVC did not come from Iranian farmers instead of hiding behind cheap trash talk.

 

[KaiserX]

Iranic cline is way older than Indus cline lol. Former created later.

Iranic Farmer Cline started at around 9000-10000 BC. It was well established before anything related to Indus emerged because of Iranian Migration into the region. Mehrgarh is the oldest of IVC site in Balochistan and it too emerged at around 7000 BC at earliest ... far later than Iranian Farmer cline.

If you dispute that then I have ammo (published research papers) which I will start posting.



Why do not you post some published research papers (Recognized one) to dispute the fact that IVC was created by Iranian migrants instead of trash talking. How about that ? I have presented two papers above (both are high impact factor western journals). You do same by posting research papers that say IVC did not come from Iranian farmers instead of hiding behind cheap trash talk.

Hey idiot, what is the point of this whole lesson? we all came from africa either way dont know what you are attempting to prove. Your nation is going hungry and all your leaders can talk of is praying at the grave of dead ayatollahs and fighting foreign wars with no $$$.

Lets keep this topic to the ayatollahs coming death..

 

[drmeson]

instead the shia regime took the funds obama provided and gave it to its proxies in the middle east to fight foreign wars. I dont really understand how any sane human let alone an iranian can support such a evil regime

Shia Sunni is a Middle eastern (MENA) political problem. It started as same like 1500 years ago. Any non MENA person talking about MENA political problems or getting emotional about it is like a Mexican or Brazilian person getting emotional about Democrats vs Republican Politics in Washington. You have no connection to it. You are shia or sunni based on who gave you Islam (Islam to you came from Iranian plateau through Turko Iranic invasions). We got ourselves from our own (my own in particular) Saffavid rule.

Interesting read. I guess the answer to your question would be that we're still trying to define what true "pakistaniat" is. For some it lies along the Islamic lines while for others it lies along ethnic lines. However, Islam shouldn't be the only uniting glue for us here, we need another unique uniting factor to justify the existence Pakistan aside from Islam. That comes in the form of IVC. From what i understand, IVC is a heritage that should be unique to only Pakistanis and only we should lay claim to it.

I have my own views as to what Pakistaniat should be, but i was just explaining what i think Pakistaniat means to my fellow countrymen.

IVC connects your country to Iranic cline but some of your countrymen are hardcore Indo lovers who would go to any extreme length like denying published research to prove that IVC was indic but not Iranic. Like the few ones in this thread. I never knew that because your country always seem to lock horns with India. What is the reason for this love for Indian genes ?

Funny enough, I have yet to meet any sensible indian who denies this IVC Iranian origin which is now a published fact. Many good Indians, Turkish, Arabs I have interacted on internet on anthro forums accept this Iran_N dominance in the region because of the research papers.

As for claim, only group that can now claim true descend from IVC is Baloch (Southern Iranic group). Even today they carry the largest portions of Iran_N in their DNA.

Hey idiot, what is the point of this whole lesson? we all came from africa either way dont know what you are attempting to prove. Your nation is going hungry and all your leaders can talk of is praying at the grave of dead ayatollahs and fighting foreign wars with no $$$.

Lets keep this topic to the ayatollahs coming death..

LOL what are you talking about ...


Our Education system (H-Index, Uni rankings, STEM output) is higher than you. I provided Links above.

Human development Index is higher than you as well (Dispute and I will provide 2019 results)

Hunger Index ranks you like 3 fold higher than Iran (Dispute and I will provide 2019 results)

Yes we have a Shia theocracy, it suits this era as it gave us the entire regional control. Politics change with time Mullahs will have done their part the best. I am also waiting for them to go back to Qom and IRGC takes over for a powerful Iran. Literally like the Saffavid, Afsharid remergence. Haters gonna hate.

 

[KaiserX]

Shia Sunni is a Middle eastern (MENA) political problem. It started as same like 1500 years ago. Any non MENA person talking about MENA political problems or getting emotional about it is like a Mexican or Brazilian person getting emotional about Democrats vs Republican Politics in Washington. You have no connection to it. You are shia or sunni based on who gave you Islam (Islam to you came from Iranian plateau through Turko Iranic invasions). We got ourselves from our own (my own in particular) Saffavid rule.



IVC connects your country to Iranic cline but some of your countrymen are hardcore Indo lovers who would go to any extreme length like denying published research to prove that IVC was indic but not Iranic. Like the few ones in this thread. I never knew that because your country always seem to lock horns with India. What is the reason for this love for Indian genes ?

Funny enough, I have yet to meet any sensible indian who denies this IVC Iranian origin which is now a published fact. Many good Indians, Turkish, Arabs I have interacted on internet on anthro forums accept this Iran_N dominance in the region because of the research papers.

As for claim, only group that can now claim true descend from IVC is Baloch (Southern Iranic group). Even today they carry the largest portions of Iran_N in their DNA.

What a joke! My pakistani brothers now we are seeing the true nature of iranians/arabs. How is islam only yours??? anyone can be a muslim regardless or race/ethnicity and shias are not even technically muslim...

Sunnia-Shiasm is a probem beyond the middle east esp when 20% of our population is brainwashed by your mullahs

 

[PakistaniJunior]

Shia Sunni is a Middle eastern (MENA) political problem. It started as same like 1500 years ago. Any non MENA person talking about MENA political problems or getting emotional about it is like a Mexican or Brazilian person getting emotional about Democrats vs Republican Politics in Washington. You have no connection to it. You are shia or sunni based on who gave you Islam (Islam to you came from Iranian plateau through Turko Iranic invasions). We got ourselves from our own (my own in particular) Saffavid rule.



IVC connects your country to Iranic cline but some of your countrymen are hardcore Indo lovers who would go to any extreme length like denying published research to prove that IVC was indic but not Iranic. Like the few ones in this thread. I never knew that because your country always seem to lock horns with India. What is the reason for this love for Indian genes ?

Funny enough, I have yet to meet any sensible indian who denies this IVC Iranian origin which is now a published fact. Many good Indians, Turkish, Arabs I have interacted on internet on anthro forums accept this Iran_N dominance in the region because of the research papers.

As for claim, only group that can now claim true descend from IVC is Baloch (Southern Iranic group). Even today they carry the largest portions of Iran_N in their DNA.




LOL what are you talking about ...


Our Education system (H-Index, Uni rankings, STEM output) is higher than you. I provided Links above.

Human development Index is higher than you as well (Dispute and I will provide 2019 results)

Hunger Index ranks you like 3 fold higher than Iran (Dispute and I will provide 2019 results)

Yes we have a Shia theocracy, it suits this era as it gave us the entire regional control. Politics change with time Mullahs will have done their part the best. I am also waiting for them to go back to Qom and IRGC takes over for a powerful Iran. Literally like the Saffavid, Afsharid remergence. Haters gonna hate.

I'm afraid i don't really agree with half of the things you've said (especially regarding the Shia-Sunni sect fiasco). For starters, The term "Indic" itself is derived from Indus, therefore even if those Iranic conponents helped in the formation of IVC, those Iranic components would still be called Indic.
Then by that logic, IVC belongs to all pakistanis, be they Sindhi, Balochi, Pashtun, Punjabi etc as all of these groups have both Indic ( Native + Iranic ) and Iranic blood.

Therefore, IVC isn't a full blown Iranic civilization, it's still an Indic civilization with influence from Iranic and indegenous bloodlines. If you want, you can call it a "related" civilization, but it's still Indic.

 

[Hack-Hook]

90% of your economy is oil. Has been that way for the last 70 year and still is today. Even with sanctions your oil is sold in the black market throughout the world. Ask any balochi in pakistan/afghanistan. If pakistan had even 10% the oil iran has we would be 100x ahead...

You simply don't want to see the fact . today's we sell 150000 barrel of oil or less per day and you claim it consists 90% of our economy while several year ago we sold 3000000 barrel per day and you claim then also it was 90% of our economy well unless our economy shrank by 95% you don't knew shit about economy..

 

[Basel]

One should always establish good relations with his neighbors. Iran sees no threat from Pakistan, Pakistan sees no threat from Iran. But then there are these sectarian morons that think just because Iran is Shia and there are Shias in Pakistan, Iran will try to take over Pakistan.

I dont see any problems with taking interest in another country whether it's religious, cultural or something else, as long as the interest is positively fueled. Sadly, our region is a breeding ground for sectarian terrorists.

Iran is a threat to Pakistan as it is using Shias in Pakistan to meddling in internal issues of Pakistan, it also support India and have allowed Indian agencies to operate freely against Pakistan, Kubhushan was allowed to had his network working against Pakistan from Iran, Chahbahar port is also about working together with India against Pakistan.

Its the Pakistan who have done nothing against Iran and still got blamed for supporting terror groups like Jindullah.

KSA and Iran are meddling in internal matter and this should be taken care of.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran is a threat to Pakistan as it is using Shias in Pakistan to meddling in internal issues of Pakistan, it also support India and have allowed Indian agencies to operate freely against Pakistan, Kubhushan was allowed to had his network working against Pakistan from Iran, Chahbahar port is also about working together with India against Pakistan.

Its the Pakistan who have done nothing against Iran and still got blamed for supporting terror groups like Jindullah.

KSA and Iran are meddling in internal matter and this should be taken care of.

Because those groups have safe haven there . your border with iran have virtually no security.

 

[Basel]

Because those groups have safe haven there . your border with iran have virtually no security.

What your security was doing with Indian agencies while allowing them free pass and even travel documents??

 

[yavar]

90% of your economy is oil.

usual
Go learn about Iranian economy before. You come here and right your nonsense.

Today Iran only sell 200,000 barel oil every day to India and China and some other small mount to other countries

Which India only pays .

 

[Hack-Hook]

What your security was doing with Indian agencies while allowing them free pass and even travel documents??

I don't see any Indian training base here . but I see Jundollah operation base there

 

[Timur]

What your security was doing with Indian agencies while allowing them free pass and even travel documents??

you see them obsessed with that persio indo ayran genetic things.. iranian persians have quite a snooty mind.. plus major sunni countries are also being victims by their secterianism..

so keep watching the show never trust them and drink enough ayran some day they might invite you in their ayran club than..

 

[Mamluk]

Iranic cline is way older than Indus cline lol. Former created later.

Iranic Farmer Cline started at around 9000-10000 BC. It was well established before anything related to Indus emerged because of Iranian Migration into the region. Mehrgarh is the oldest of IVC site in Balochistan and it too emerged at around 7000 BC at earliest ... far later than Iranian Farmer cline.

Mehrgarh is not in the Iranian plateau. You still could not answer my question. Furthermore you're trying to divert the topic.

Isn't it odd these "Iranians" who created the oldest civilizations like IVC and Egypt and what not didn't have one in their own homeland?

IVC connects your country to Iranic cline but some of your countrymen are hardcore Indo lovers who would go to any extreme length like denying published research to prove that IVC was indic but not Iranic. Like the few ones in this thread. I never knew that because your country always seem to lock horns with India. What is the reason for this love for Indian genes ?

To be honest even Indians next to the border have better claim to IVC than you do.

 

[El Sidd]

Means nothing.

Autosomal DNA proves that IVC and Aryan migrations wwere laced with two versions of Iranic DNA. IVC from Iranian neolithic and Aryans by Steppe and BMAC.

Rest does not matter.

Having some DNA traces in any valley does not give you the right to collect Khums and Zakaat from them.