AWAKEN The Ideology of Pakistan - Allama Iqbal's Philosophy and Modern Pakistan

[Xtremeownage]

Allama Iqbal (rah) is one of Pakistan's founding fathers, and as Pakistanis we should understand his philosophy and read his works and implement them.

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[EjazR]

Please,
go to the source and READ what Iqbal wrote and spoke instead of relying on such shows that twist everything for a set agenda.

 

[Xtremeownage]

Please,
go to the source and READ what Iqbal wrote and spoke instead of relying on such shows that twist everything for a set agenda.

You posted this 3 minutes after I posted the video.

You are obviously not sincere with your words, and this video does indeed goes indept about the philosophy of Allama Iqbal (rah) and Pakistan. I have read Asrar-E-Khudi (the english translation), and I have studied Allama Iqbal (rah) and his works, and I know what this man is saying is the truth!

So don't spew nonsense, when you obviously didn't even watch the video.

 

[Hammy007]

Please,
go to the source and READ what Iqbal wrote and spoke instead of relying on such shows that twist everything for a set agenda.

see the first video, its clearly writtenwritten "mir khalil ur rehman memorial society", u r one uneducated one. this is the forum of famous jung group!!, if its pakistani every damn thing is unreliable haan bharati??

 

[Kompromat]

You posted this 3 minutes after I posted the video.

You are obviously not sincere with your words, and this video does indeed go indept about the philosophy of Allama Iqbal (rah) and Pakistan. I have read Asrar-E-Khudi, and I have studied Allama Iqbal (rah) and his works, and I know what this man is saying is the truth!

So don't spew nonsense, when you obviously didn't even watch the video.

He is in a bit of hurry to take the lead of spreading Indian propaganda

 

[qsaark]

Ejaz Bhai,

Sun to lein, agar ikhtalaf ho to zaroor behes karein. Mein ney suna, aur mein ney Iqbal ko bhi khoob parha hey, aisi koi ghalat baat to mujhey nazar nahin aai is nashast mein.

 

[ya'seenhamza]

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Thursday, 12 Safar 1431

Introductory comment

Time is running out for the republican State of Pakistan. Only those who see with one eye will fail to recognize the evil reality that clients of Israel now control strategic decision-making both in Pakistan’s government as well as in the Armed Forces. The writing appears to be on the wall for Pakistan – unless Pakistani Muslims can rid themselves of those clients of Israel. The best way to do so appears to be through massive peaceful public demonstrations similar to those which brought down the USSR with narry a nuclear risk, rather than civil war which will automatically invite external military intervention that will eventually dismember Pakistan.

Scholars of Islam have a duty to prepare Muslims for destructive attacks that are soon to be launched which will target not only Pakistan but perhaps, Turkey and Iran as well. The situation is not entirely hopeless since at least the Iranian Armed Forces do not appear to be under the control of Israel’s clients. In fact Iran seems to have already succeeded in building a strategic alliance with Russia. It is interesting to note that an authentic Hadīth has prophesied an end-time Muslim alliance with Rūm (i.e., Byzantine Christianity that was based in Constantinople), and Russia is part of Rūm. The Saudi and Pakistani governments and Armed Forces on the other hand, are allied with the Anglo-American-Israeli alliance which does not form part of Rūm.

Those who control power in Britain, USA, and Israel, and who now have a strategic ally in India, are already waging unjust war on Islam and Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and elsewhere, but most of all in the Holy Land (otherwise known as Palestine). Their ruthlessness is such that they would wage war even upon their own people if such were deemed to be necessary for achieving their messianic goal. The 9/11 terrorist attack on America which killed thousands of innocent people was an ominous example of what they are capable of doing. The recent US military occupation of Haiti in consequence of a massive earthquake for which the US Armed Forces seem to have been mysteriously prepared (right down to drills conducted on the very eve of the earthquake), displays for the umpteenth time the extent to which they would commit monstrously evil deeds in dogmatic pursuit of goals such as the overthrow of Venezuela’s courageous government. Earthquakes have now become their mysterious new weapon of war. Will Caracas and Islamabad soon be targeted with massive earthquakes? Or will a nuclear device be exploded in USA or a very prominent American assassinated, and Pakistani or Iranian Muslims be held responsible, so that causus bellum can be created?

Their messianic goal is to deliver to Israel the rule over the whole world so that a false Messiah can rule the world from Jerusalem with a fraudulent claim to be the true Messiah. That goal cannot be achieved so long as Pakistan possesses nuclear military power. Hence the most important attack that must now be anticipated is on Pakistan’s nuclear installations.



When Muslims had the freedom to choose their own rulers, the violation of the person of a single Muslim woman would have been sufficient to rouse the whole world of Islam to wage war in order to not only punish those guilty of such a despicable crime, but also to uphold the honor of women. But at a time when Pakistan’s political and military rulers are anointed by the enemies in London, Washington and Jerusalem, a Pakistani Dr Aafia Siddiqui could be subjected to barbaric utterly shameless violation of her body and freedom for years (in a manner unheard of in the entire history of the Ummah), and the clients of Israel who control power in Pakistan do absolutely nothing in response – other than to seek, shamelessly so, to cover-up the extent of the crime. Indeed Pakistan’s Armed Forces under its present pro-American/Israeli command will certainly brutally suppress any popular peaceful Aafia Siddiqui protests in Pakistan that threaten Israel’s Pakistani clients.

There are one-eyed Muslims who dare to suggest that Pakistan’s Armed Forces can somehow conquer India and the Holy Land! Then there are others, equally one-eyed, who would dare to wage bloody civil war in order to extricate Pakistan’s government and Armed Forces from the control of Israel’s clients. In the process of doing so they walk into a trap set for them by those who hunger for causus bellum with which to attack and dismember Pakistan.

In order to prepare Muslims for the coming days of unprecedented and unimaginable trials and tribulations, Islamic scholarship must acquire a clear and firm grasp of the reality of the modern age and of the ‘end of history’. It is lamentable that no less a scholar than the intellectual and spiritual father of Pakistan, Dr Muhammad Iqbal, appears to have been negatively influenced in his views on the subject by secular European scholarship and, as a consequence, failed to embrace authentic Ahadīth which combine with the Qur’ān to clearly establish an Islamic conception of the ‘end of history’. Iqbal’s failure to understand this subject has had enormous negative consequences for legions of Iqbalian Pakistani intelligentsia as well as for many others in the larger Muslim world. In some respects it is now impossible to repair the damage done and we may just have to accept to move on without them in our struggle to restore the authentic Islamic public order.

There are many obstacles which will have to be surmounted if contemporary Islamic scholarship is to explain the grand evil design with which history now appears to be ending. Not least of these are obstacles in respect of methodology for recognizing and understanding the Quranic guidance (i.e., Usūl al-Tafsīr) that explains the reality of the modern age, as well as for assessing the authenticity of Ahadīth and of visions in relation to the end times. Maulānā Dr Muhammad Fadlur Rahman Ansari’s greatest intellectual achievement appears to be his exposition of the methodology for a ‘probe-level’ study of the Qur’ān (see chapter two on ‘methodology’ in An Islamic View of Gog and Magog in the Modern World).

I have made a very humble effort (while using that methodology) to address that subject in books such as Jerusalem in the Qur’ān, the first three books in my Surah al-Kahf quartet (the fourth is now being written) and my booklet entitled The Gold Dinar and Silver Dirham – Islam and the Future of Money, as well as in lectures such as ‘Islam and the End of History’. Critics should note that events are already unfolding in the world confirming my interpretation and explanation of the Qur’ān and Ahadīth as they establish Islam’s conception of the end of history. Our analysis of Pakistan’s moment of truth promises to further confirm that explanation.

What methodology did Ibn Khaldūn and Iqbāl use with which to reject the Ahadīth concerning the advent of Imām a-Mahdi? The authenticity of these Ahadīth has not only been universally accepted all through our history, but they are also crucially important for recognizing (in Islam’s conception of the end of history) the fate which awaits western political secularism and its modern model of a state that spawned the States of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, etc. The Ahadīth concerning the advent of Imām al-Mahdi are inseparably linked to the release of Gog and Magog into the world, the advent of Dajjāl the false Messiah, the return of Jesus the son of Mary (‘alaihi al-Salām), and the consequent restoration of both the Islamic Caliphate and Dār al-Islām. Iqbal’s rejection of these Ahadīth made him incapable of reading and understanding the reality of the world that had emerged before his very eyes.

Was the Prophet’s prophecy that “you will conquer Constantinople” fulfilled in 1453, or has he also prophesied an end-time conquest of that city that will result in its liberation from the present NATO (hence Anglo-American-Israeli) military control? It seems fairly clear that a Russian-Islamic alliance will inevitably have to challenge NATO control over Constantinople (now renamed Istanbul in order to divert attention from this prophecy) if the Russian navy is to gain access to the Mediterranean Sea. But Russia may have other objectives as well in mind, such as the restoration of Constantinople as the seat of Byzantine Christianity.

What is the authenticity of Ghazwah-e-Hind Ahadīth prophesying an end-time Muslim conquest of India? In my previous essay on Obama’s Afghan Surge I warned that the long-planned attack on Pakistan will soon occur. In A Muslim Response to the 9/11 Attack on America written in 2001 I suggested that if the enemies do not succeed in provoking civil war in Pakistan they will search for some other causus bellum. I have not made a study that would allow me to determine the authenticity of these Ghazwah-e-Hind Ahadīth, but it is already clear to me that there is a sinister plan at work, exploiting these Ahadīth, to create causus bellum; and that will be a very interesting subject of legal inquiry in The Hague or the UN Security Council if and when an attack to truncate Pakistan is launched and India seeks post facto justification for launching the attack.

Dreamy Pakistani Muslims who are now sleep-walking to their round-the-corner prophesied conquest of Hind must be awakened to reality. In Jerusalem in the Qur’an I have interpreted the Hadīth of Tamīm al-Dāri in such wise that I expect Israel to soon replace USA as the ruling State in the world, and that Israel will then rule the world overtly for 'a day like a week' (Israel is already ruling the world by virtue of the Zionist control of the US Government and Armed Forces). When that rule for a day like a week is accomplished, Dajjāl will then appear in person to proclaim himself the Messiah. His mission of impersonation of the true Messiah would then be completed. It is at that time (and not a moment before) that Imam al-Mahdi will emerge, Nabi 'Isa ('alaihi al-Salaam) will return, and a Muslim army coming out of Khorasan will liberate the Holy Land. That army has already begun its struggle and, Alhamdu lillah, has survived despite nine years of murderous attacks from an Anglo-American-Israeli alliance that has been (and still is) disgracefully and treasonously supported by the Pakistani Armed Forces.

My only other response to the present preoccupation with the Hadīth prophesying an alleged round-the-corner Muslim conquest of Hind is to suggest that those who see with two eyes and who also understand Islam’s conception of the end of history would recognize a skillfully contrived ISI-blessed round-the-corner diversion when they see one.

Finally, how do we respond to the news which has been widely spread that someone saw Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) in a dream warning that Pakistan’s end was near – but that the recitation of Sūrah al-Shams of the Qur’ān can in some mysterious way, save Pakistan? To which Pakistan did the dream direct attention? Was it the ‘American’ republic of Pakistan whose political and military leaders have been shamelessly dancing for the longest while (and are still dancing to this day) to every fraudulent tune that came out of Washington? Was it the Pakistan which has consistently deceived the devoted Pakistani Muslim masses with its claim to be an Islamic Republic, while sinfully banning at Washington’s behest non-Pakistani Muslim students from studying Islam in Pakistan? (This writer, who is non-Pakistani, got his Islamic education at the Aleemiyah Institute of Islamic Studies in Karachi, Pakistan.) Or was it the other Pakistan which, since 1947, has remained but a distant dream in the hearts of the sincere followers of Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) and will continue to remain a dream until Islamic scholarship succeeds in grasping the reality of the modern age and in responding to its challenges appropriately.

This essay asks: can the recitation of Surah al-Shams of the blessed Qur’ān, or the ISI-blessed passionate beating of Iqbalian drums, save that ‘American’ Republic of Pakistan from a fate that was long-scripted for it in London, Washington, Jerusalem and New Delhi? But most importantly of all, this essay asks whether the modern republican State as envisaged by Iqbal can ever be a substitute for the Islamic Caliphate (Khilāfah)?

 

[Kompromat]

Ejaz Bhai,

Sun to lein, agar ikhtalaf ho to zaroor behes karein. Mein ney suna, aur mein ney Iqbal ko bhi khoob parha hey, aisi koi ghalat baat to mujhey nazar nahin aai is nashast mein.

Ejaz sahib ko masla Hazrat Allma se nhi unkay 2 qoumi nazria say hai.

Aray bhai agar app ko ghalat lagta hai to baat karen title dekh kar comment bachay kartay hain.

Or app kay khyalat se koi farq nhi parta yehi waja hai kay app wahan hain or ham yahan..

Shukria

 

[EjazR]

I saw the second video and listened to a few minutes where he mention that Iqbal wanted a sharia state i.e. a political Islam ideology, he also mentions about Iqbal talking about "Establishing Pakistan" and that was enough to know that Mr. Qadri is also under the same misconception as many people are.

Seeing Qazi Hussain and Hamid gul didn't help in making me feel this is going to be a balanced speech but directed to use Iqbal to prove that he wanted political Islam ideology.

After Qsaark's comments, I realized that i should listen patiently. But after listening fully to the speech, it reinforced my view although some sections of his speech I have no problems with.

A few comments. Jinnah did not know Urdu, he could hardly speak Urdu and all his communication with Iqbal was in English. His 1930 address was also in English. Read the sources in English to know what Iqbal said. Iqbal also wrote letters where he explicitly said that he was against the Pakistan scheme. He did not maintain a neutral position, he said he was against it.
Asrar-e-khudi is a work aimed at Muslims and infact people in general. To read his views on Pakistan scheme or Independance you have to read his political works like his 1930 speech in Allahabad. How many of you have read it in its entirety? If you haven't then check it out here and tell me where does what Mr Qadri say match up in the speech about "nifase-shariat" as a top down approach.
Presidential Address, annual session of the All-India Muslim League, Allahabad, December 1930, by Sir Muhammad Iqbal

Again Chaudry Rahmat Ali was the first person, he should actually be given more importance if you talk about founding Pakistan.

I am not saying everything he said is wrong. The part where he talks about madrassas and firqawariyat supported by Pakistani govt. and its intelligence agencies for political purposes is understandable. Let me point out that in India it is not as bad as in Pakistan. For eg. the Dar-ul-uloom Deoband even though they express reservations on other school of thoughts they have never given a fatwa on any group like shias e.t.c. I don't recall any sort of riots within sects among Muslims in India. One reason is most likely that being a minority they are more close together despite their differences and secondly, there are no govt. agencies trying to manipulate those differences. However, the madrassa situation is also bad in India although improving. Bu they haven't been turned in madrassas like in the FATA region in Pakistan.

But his agenda in this speech was quite clear. Since Iqbal is well respected across the Muslim world. Use his work and say that he approved this political Islam ideology where Islam is implemented top down. And if it doesn't work through elections and people don't vote for you, just declare "This nizam is unIslamic, we have to overthrow this nizam and bring sharee nizam(i.e. where I will have political power even though people don't support me)"

Later he mixes legitimate political grievances in Pakistan that no nation should suffer from and uses Iqbal's poetry and Islamic imagery to press his point. But the solution is not to have a revolution to "establish" a so called Islamic state. Does Turkey and the ruling AKP party does not have to harp about implementing so called Islamic sharia, but the laws they have passed and brought about are based on Islamic principles. In fact, a lot of welfare state in western countries are all very close to Islamic principles.

We have the hindsight of 50-60 years of political Islam ideology (yes it only started in the 1940s-50s with Syed Qutb and Maududi). Then we have the perversion of this ideology in the last 2-3 decades (by the likes of Abdullah Azzam, and later UBM and Zawahiri). We should be able to see more easily the failures of this ideology.

Iqbal never advocated such a top down approach either. He was a strong proponent of democracy. But he was insistent on clear Muslim majorities in provinces that would be fully autonomous. These provinces because of being Muslim majority would naturally in a democratic environment make laws in accordance with Islamic principles. But in hindsight we see that if majority of Muslims are not following Islam in their daily lives this will not happen as in the case with Pakistan.

The solution is to inculcate Islamic values at a grassroots level. This is something that Iqbal had assumed Muslims will eventually have. But unfortunately that is not the case.
Qadri's PAT political party suffered electoral defeat after 4 years between 91-94. JI was the favored political party of the establishment because of the conduit it became between Jihadi groups and ME money. Qadri did not have this and hence he was marginalized. He is basically berating the political system as part of this experience towards. Hence, any political party that runs on the platform of shariat or Islam in danger should be infact banned but at the very at least challenged because their political Islam view has caused immense damage to Muslims.




I was going to say something about those who respond only by looking at my nationality and comments about "Indian propaganda" or some fantasy of "Iqbal supported TWT" but I guess I will be wasting my time so I will pass.

 

[EjazR]

Iqbāl and Pakistan's Moment of Truth - FULL ESSAY

Is there a link for this? Who is the author?

 

[s90]

I saw the second video and listened to a few minutes where he mention that Iqbal wanted a sharia state i.e. a political Islam ideology, he also mentions about Iqbal talking about "Establishing Pakistan" and that was enough to know that Mr. Qadri is also under the same misconception as many people are.

Seeing Qazi Hussain and Hamid gul didn't help in making me feel this is going to be a balanced speech but directed to use Iqbal to prove that he wanted political Islam ideology.

After Qsaark's comments, I realized that i should listen patiently. But after listening fully to the speech, it reinforced my view although some sections of his speech I have no problems with.

A few comments. Jinnah did not know Urdu, he could hardly speak Urdu and all his communication with Iqbal was in English. His 1930 address was also in English. Read the sources in English to know what Iqbal said. Iqbal also wrote letters where he explicitly said that he was against the Pakistan scheme. He did not maintain a neutral position, he said he was against it.
Asrar-e-khudi is a work aimed at Muslims and infact people in general. To read his views on Pakistan scheme or Independance you have to read his political works like his 1930 speech in Allahabad. How many of you have read it in its entirety? If you haven't then check it out here and tell me where does what Mr Qadri say match up in the speech about "nifase-shariat" as a top down approach.
Presidential Address, annual session of the All-India Muslim League, Allahabad, December 1930, by Sir Muhammad Iqbal

Again Chaudry Rahmat Ali was the first person, he should actually be given more importance if you talk about founding Pakistan.

I am not saying everything he said is wrong. The part where he talks about madrassas and firqawariyat supported by Pakistani govt. and its intelligence agencies for political purposes is understandable. Let me point out that in India it is not as bad as in Pakistan. For eg. the Dar-ul-uloom Deoband even though they express reservations on other school of thoughts they have never given a fatwa on any group like shias e.t.c. I don't recall any sort of riots within sects among Muslims in India. One reason is most likely that being a minority they are more close together despite their differences and secondly, there are no govt. agencies trying to manipulate those differences. However, the madrassa situation is also bad in India although improving. Bu they haven't been turned in madrassas like in the FATA region in Pakistan.

But his agenda in this speech was quite clear. Since Iqbal is well respected across the Muslim world. Use his work and say that he approved this political Islam ideology where Islam is implemented top down. And if it doesn't work through elections and people don't vote for you, just declare "This nizam is unIslamic, we have to overthrow this nizam and bring sharee nizam(i.e. where I will have political power even though people don't support me)"

Later he mixes legitimate political grievances in Pakistan that no nation should suffer from and uses Iqbal's poetry and Islamic imagery to press his point. But the solution is not to have a revolution to "establish" a so called Islamic state. Does Turkey and the ruling AKP party does not have to harp about implementing so called Islamic sharia, but the laws they have passed and brought about are based on Islamic principles. In fact, a lot of welfare state in western countries are all very close to Islamic principles.

We have the hindsight of 50-60 years of political Islam ideology (yes it only started in the 1940s-50s with Syed Qutb and Maududi). Then we have the perversion of this ideology in the last 2-3 decades (by the likes of Abdullah Azzam, and later UBM and Zawahiri). We should be able to see more easily the failures of this ideology.

Iqbal never advocated such a top down approach either. He was a strong proponent of democracy. But he was insistent on clear Muslim majorities in provinces that would be fully autonomous. These provinces because of being Muslim majority would naturally in a democratic environment make laws in accordance with Islamic principles. But in hindsight we see that if majority of Muslims are not following Islam in their daily lives this will not happen as in the case with Pakistan.

The solution is to inculcate Islamic values at a grassroots level. This is something that Iqbal had assumed Muslims will eventually have. But unfortunately that is not the case.
Qadri's PAT political party suffered electoral defeat after 4 years between 91-94. JI was the favored political party of the establishment because of the conduit it became between Jihadi groups and ME money. Qadri did not have this and hence he was marginalized. He is basically berating the political system as part of this experience towards. Hence, any political party that runs on the platform of shariat or Islam in danger should be infact banned but at the very at least challenged because their political Islam view has caused immense damage to Muslims.




I was going to say something about those who respond only by looking at my nationality and comments about "Indian propaganda" or some fantasy of "Iqbal supported TWT" but I guess I will be wasting my time so I will pass.

True, his letter to The Times UK enforces your statement.

 

[ya'seenhamza]

Is there a link for this? Who is the author?

Iqb?l and Pakistan's Moment of Truth - FULL ESSAY - True scholarship must subject all knowledge - including Iqb?l?s thought - to critical evaluation

 

[Xtremeownage]

I saw the second video and listened to a few minutes where he mention that Iqbal wanted a sharia state i.e. a political Islam ideology, he also mentions about Iqbal talking about "Establishing Pakistan" and that was enough to know that Mr. Qadri is also under the same misconception as many people are.

Seeing Qazi Hussain and Hamid gul didn't help in making me feel this is going to be a balanced speech but directed to use Iqbal to prove that he wanted political Islam ideology.

After Qsaark's comments, I realized that i should listen patiently. But after listening fully to the speech, it reinforced my view although some sections of his speech I have no problems with.

A few comments. Jinnah did not know Urdu, he could hardly speak Urdu and all his communication with Iqbal was in English. His 1930 address was also in English. Read the sources in English to know what Iqbal said. Iqbal also wrote letters where he explicitly said that he was against the Pakistan scheme. He did not maintain a neutral position, he said he was against it.
Asrar-e-khudi is a work aimed at Muslims and infact people in general. To read his views on Pakistan scheme or Independance you have to read his political works like his 1930 speech in Allahabad. How many of you have read it in its entirety? If you haven't then check it out here and tell me where does what Mr Qadri say match up in the speech about "nifase-shariat" as a top down approach.
Presidential Address, annual session of the All-India Muslim League, Allahabad, December 1930, by Sir Muhammad Iqbal

Again Chaudry Rahmat Ali was the first person, he should actually be given more importance if you talk about founding Pakistan.

I am not saying everything he said is wrong. The part where he talks about madrassas and firqawariyat supported by Pakistani govt. and its intelligence agencies for political purposes is understandable. Let me point out that in India it is not as bad as in Pakistan. For eg. the Dar-ul-uloom Deoband even though they express reservations on other school of thoughts they have never given a fatwa on any group like shias e.t.c. I don't recall any sort of riots within sects among Muslims in India. One reason is most likely that being a minority they are more close together despite their differences and secondly, there are no govt. agencies trying to manipulate those differences. However, the madrassa situation is also bad in India although improving. Bu they haven't been turned in madrassas like in the FATA region in Pakistan.

But his agenda in this speech was quite clear. Since Iqbal is well respected across the Muslim world. Use his work and say that he approved this political Islam ideology where Islam is implemented top down. And if it doesn't work through elections and people don't vote for you, just declare "This nizam is unIslamic, we have to overthrow this nizam and bring sharee nizam(i.e. where I will have political power even though people don't support me)"

Later he mixes legitimate political grievances in Pakistan that no nation should suffer from and uses Iqbal's poetry and Islamic imagery to press his point. But the solution is not to have a revolution to "establish" a so called Islamic state. Does Turkey and the ruling AKP party does not have to harp about implementing so called Islamic sharia, but the laws they have passed and brought about are based on Islamic principles. In fact, a lot of welfare state in western countries are all very close to Islamic principles.

We have the hindsight of 50-60 years of political Islam ideology (yes it only started in the 1940s-50s with Syed Qutb and Maududi). Then we have the perversion of this ideology in the last 2-3 decades (by the likes of Abdullah Azzam, and later UBM and Zawahiri). We should be able to see more easily the failures of this ideology.

Iqbal never advocated such a top down approach either. He was a strong proponent of democracy. But he was insistent on clear Muslim majorities in provinces that would be fully autonomous. These provinces because of being Muslim majority would naturally in a democratic environment make laws in accordance with Islamic principles. But in hindsight we see that if majority of Muslims are not following Islam in their daily lives this will not happen as in the case with Pakistan.

The solution is to inculcate Islamic values at a grassroots level. This is something that Iqbal had assumed Muslims will eventually have. But unfortunately that is not the case.
Qadri's PAT political party suffered electoral defeat after 4 years between 91-94. JI was the favored political party of the establishment because of the conduit it became between Jihadi groups and ME money. Qadri did not have this and hence he was marginalized. He is basically berating the political system as part of this experience towards. Hence, any political party that runs on the platform of shariat or Islam in danger should be infact banned but at the very at least challenged because their political Islam view has caused immense damage to Muslims.




I was going to say something about those who respond only by looking at my nationality and comments about "Indian propaganda" or some fantasy of "Iqbal supported TWT" but I guess I will be wasting my time so I will pass.

Absolutely ridiculous, fallacious, and outright FALSE accusations here.

Allama Iqbal was a pan-Islamist, to deny this is like denying Karl Marx as a communist or Adam Smith as a capitalist.

Your perception of Sharia is completely wrong, and judging by the way you write, your perception of Islamic law is probably based around western media which portrays Saudi/Taliban Wahabism as Sharia, which it is NOT!

Shariah = Islamic law based on the Quran and teachings and life of the holy Prophet (SAW).

Allama Iqbal was a big time proponent of Sharia and of bringing the Muslims back to their Islamic roots, this is clearly evident in his famous writings... Writings I doubt you have any knowledge (or atleast very limited knowledge) about.

Your long and useless post lost all credibility when you said that Allama Iqbal was against the creation of Pakistan. Allama Iqbal (rah) came up with the concept of Pakistan and the two-nation theory. He was a Muslim nationalist, and is one of Pakistan's founding fathers. He spent his life fighting for this nation, and his efforts made it possible for Pakistan to come into existance. Your ludacris statement would be equivalently incongruous with the truth as if someone were to say that Abraham Lincoln was a supporter of slavery and the confederate states, or George Washington was against the American Revolution and in support of British dominance over America.

It was Allama Iqbal that convinced Jinnah to support him in bringing about an independant Muslim state in Northwest South-Asia, and through their deep-rooted friendship Jinnah and Allama Iqbal strived long and hard to make the dream of the millions of Muslims of South-Asia to come true. That dream would eventually become a reality when Pakistan came into existence on August 14th, 1947.

Through my research of Iqbal's writings and works I can confidently say that what Tahir Ul Qadri is saying is accurate, and your very cynical and deceptive approach on the subject in turn only lowers your credibility. These videos have nothing to do with political parties, it was a conference to commemorate the greatness of one of Pakistan's founding fathers, and to implement his ideas in modern day Pakistan. People like you who can not counter the veracity of what is being said in this video, simply result in using ad-hominem attacks.

In his speech, Iqbal emphasised that unlike Christianity, Islam came with "legal concepts" with "civic significance," with its "religious ideals" considered as inseparable from social order: "therefore, the construction of a policy on national lines, if it means a displacement of the Islamic principle of solidarity, is simply unthinkable to a Muslim."

This above reference proves the fallacy in your arguement.

One of Allama Iqbal's (rah) very popular poem, Tulu-E-Islam as well exposes your lies and deceptive tactics:

As I have clearly described in my earlier post, you are not sincere with your words, and the absurdity of many of your ridiculous points is blatantly a distortion of the truth. Your knowledge of Allama Iqbal (rah) is either very limited or you are simply distorting the truth in order to serve some sort of sick agenda you have.

Any person who has studies the poet of the east, one of Pakistan's great founding fathers, Allama Iqbal, would cringe at the sheer ignorance of your statements, or laugh at the absurdity of it all.

 

[Xtremeownage]

see the first video, its clearly writtenwritten "mir khalil ur rehman memorial society", u r one uneducated one. this is the forum of famous jung group!!, if its pakistani every damn thing is unreliable haan bharati??

And even after you posted this, this delusional Bharathi still implied it was some political stunt

PS: I am going to print off the English Translation of The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam, the book as described by Tahir Ul Qadri in the video... It seems like an amazing read!

Asrar-E-Khudi was an extremely powerful book (since I read the english translation I am assuming the original Persian would be even more powerful), and opened my eyes to many degrees.

Hopefully Allama Iqbal's book The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam, will be a great read too, Insha Allah!

 

[Hammy007]

if allama iqbal was pan islamist how can he be against the creation of pakistan, ridiculous indeed, and his poetries show his support to pan islamism.