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Avalanche traps about 150 Pakistani soldiers

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ISLAMABAD: The American team of experts could not leave for Gayari sector to take part in the rescue operation at Siachen Glacier on Monday due to heavy and continuous snowfall, Geo News reported.

The US has sent a team of experts Sunday to help Pakistan search for 135 people buried a day earlier by a massive avalanche that engulfed a military complex in Gayari sector.

Due to extreme weather conditions, the team could not leave for Gayari where the temperature has dropped to –15 degrees during daytime.

At least 240 Pakistani troops and civilians worked at the site of the disaster at the entrance to the Siachen Glacier with the aid of sniffer dogs and heavy machinery, said the army. But they struggled to dig through some 25 meters (80 feet) of snow spreaded over an area of about one kilometer.

Pakistani army spokesman Gen Athar Abbas said Sunday evening that it was unclear whether any of the people who were buried are still alive. At least 124 soldiers from the 6th Northern Light Infantry Battalion and 11 civilian contractors are missing.

Pakistani army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani visited the site Sunday to supervise rescue operations.

Earlier, the US administration had announced they were sent a team of eight experts to Islamabad to provide technical assistance, said the Pakistani army. Pakistan will consult with the team to determine what help is needed to expedite the rescue operation.

The thousands of soldiers from both nations stationed there brave viciously cold temperatures, altitude sickness, high winds and isolation for months at a time. Troops have been posted at elevations of up to 6,700 meters (22,000 feet) and have skirmished intermittently since 1984, though the area has been quiet since a cease-fire in 2003. The glacier is known as the world's highest battlefield.

Gen Abbas said the headquarters that was buried was located in an area previously believed to be safe. At an altitude of around 4,500 meters (15,000 feet), it is the main gateway through which troops and supplies pass on their way to more remote outposts.

More soldiers have died from the weather than combat on the glacier, which was uninhabited before troops moved there.
 
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So, what is the latest on the search operation? What progress has been made? Have they got to the ground yet?
 
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What if the glacier cracked from inside? It would go tumbling down right?
 
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Over 8,000 Indo-Pak soldiers killed in Siachen


Amir Mir
Monday, April 09, 2012


LAHORE: The deadly avalanche that struck the battalion headquarters of the Northern Light Infantry (NLI) on the Siachen Glacier has brought to light the human and economic costs of sustaining the two-decade-long bloody conflict over the possession of the geographically remote and climatically inhospitable area, which has claimed the lives of over 8,000 Indian and Pakistani soldiers between April 1984 and April 2012.

The Saturday's avalanche at the highest and costliest battlefield in the world buried alive at least 125 people, most of them Pakistani soldiers from the Northern Light Infantry. Although, rescue efforts are underway at the tragedy site to find signs of life in the deep snow, the rescuers have yet to find a single body or survivor in the remote area even 48 hours after the disaster.

The catastrophe has once again highlighted the risks of deploying troops to one of the most unfriendly places on earth, reminding decision-makers on both sides of the Indo-Pak border that the longest-running armed conflict between two regular armies in the Twentieth Century continues to bleed Pakistan and India dry for almost three decades now.

The Siachen dispute has resulted in thousands of casualties from both sides, mainly because of adverse climatic conditions and harsh terrain. This is despite the fact that leaders in Islamabad and New Delhi keep acknowledging the human and economic costs of the conflict. According to careful estimates by defence analysts, Pakistan spends approximately Rs15 million a day to maintain three battalions at the Siachen Glacier, which makes Rs450 million a month and Rs5.4 billion a year. On the other hand, the deployment of seven battalions at the Glacier costs India Rs50 million a day, Rs1.5 billion a month and Rs30 billion a year.

On an average, defence experts say, one Pakistani soldier is killed every third day on the Siachen Glacier, showing approximately 100 casualties every year on an average. Similarly, one Indian soldier is killed every other day on the Siachen Glacier, at an annual average of 180 casualties. According to unofficial figures, over 3,000 Pakistani soldiers have lost their lives on the bloody Siachen Glacier between April 1984 and April 2012 as against over 5,000 Indian casualties. At present, there are approximately 7,000 Indian Army troops and about 4,000 Pakistani troops stationed at the Siachen Glacier.

The two neighbours maintain a permanent military presence at a height of over 20,000 feet, which has led to more deaths due to the extreme weather conditions than to each other's military might. In fact, human endurance is severely tested at altitudes above 26,000 feet because no human being can acclimatise himself to such harsh weather conditions. Pakistan had been in control of the Siachen death zone till 1984 when India sneakily occupied it.

Since April 1984, when the Indian Army carried out a covert operation code-named "Meghdoot" and established permanent posts at the Siachen Glacier, the two nuclear-armed neighbours have confronted each other militarily for control over the highest battlefield in the world and its approaches in the eastern Karakorum mountain range, adjacent to the borders of India, Pakistan and China.

Originally known as Saicher Gharni, the Siachen means the place of roses (Sia-rose, chen-place of). The fight for the Siachen Glacier involves territory claimed by both states but not controlled by either until the mid-1980s.

In 20 years of fighting, India and Pakistan have chosen to keep the war almost entirely out of the press. It is a war neither side wants to fight. Yet, it has lasted for almost three decades now. Thousands of soldiers from Pakistan and India stand muzzle to muzzle all along the glacier, the disputed ice chunk between two hostile neighbours.

India controls about two-thirds of the glacier besides commanding two of the three passes while Pakistan occupies the Gyong La Pass, which overlooks Shyok and Nubra river valleys and India's access to the glacier from the Leh district in Ladakh.

At 5,472 meters above sea level, the Siachen Glacier is located in the Karakorum mountain region, which has some of the highest peaks in the world. The northern mountains of the glacier mark the watershed between the Central Asia and the Indian Subcontinent. Bereft of vegetation, the glacier happens to be one of the world's most inhospitable regions where temperature hovers around minus 40 degree Centigrade. If bare skin touches metal, it binds as if with glue and can be torn off. In winters, strong winds from Central Asia can further bring down the temperature to minus 50 degrees. The glacier receives 6-7 meters of the annual total of 10 meters of snow in winter alone. Snowstorms can reach speeds up to 150 knots (nearly 300 kilometres per hour).

The Indian Army controls Siachen heights, holding on to the tactical advantage of high ground. But the Pakistan Army is slightly better off since it occupies smaller portion of the glacier, and its road-head is only 20 km away from the farthest post. The Indian troops on the other hand are stationed about 80 km away from the road-head and have to be maintained entirely by air, which is not only cost prohibitive but also risky because of the adverse weather conditions most of the times. Interestingly, the Pakistani soldiers cannot get up to the glacier and the Indian forces cannot come down. Soldiers brought down to base camp often suffer hearing, eyesight and memory loss because of prolonged use of oxygen masks. Many lose eyes, hands or feet to frostbite.

While Pakistani troops stationed on the glacier are confronted with a less forbidding terrain as compared to their Indian adversaries, their military presence forces the Indian troops to retain their troops on the more elevated and hazardous mountain passes, resulting in higher attrition rates because of the dangerous altitude, weather and terrain.

Daily existence at the glacier is simply agonising due to frostbiting and other such tribulations. Therefore, over 95 percent of the casualties at the glacier are because of extremely cold weather and forbidding terrain while only five percent fall in combat. The Indian casualty rate is a staggering 63 percent -- of every two soldiers sent up to the glacier, one will be a casualty.

The Pakistanis are no better off since they lose fewer men to the hostile elements and more to the Indian firing. The Pakistani authorities had admitted in 1994 that their non-combat casualties since 1984 accounted for over 80 percent of total attrition. The Pakistani positions are, for the most part, at a lower altitude in the glacier area, ranging between 9,000 to 15,000 feet (some are at a much higher altitude such as Conway Saddle, at 17,200 feet, which controls doorway to the glacier). Over the last two decades, Pakistan has tried many times to displace the Indian forces, but had to retreat each time. The Indian troops have to do nothing but sit tight and periodically repel a Pakistani assault.

Keeping in view all these facts, defence experts suggest that Pakistan and India should find a way to demilitarise the Siachen Glacier by withdrawing their troops from this futile war of attrition.
 
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This might explain:-

Creation of Glacial Ice and Glacier Movement - YouTube

And WTF's with the stupid music?

Please note that in our case the terminal moraine was well away from the BHQ (atleast 1 km - as shown in my post # 645), even if the glacier had to screw up, the firn and in this case the glacial ice shouldnt have traveled over a kilometer and crush the BHQ. Now that's strange!
 
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Reports have it that the weather has deteriorated. The US team has not been able to get on the site.
 
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This incident is the worst of its kind. The rescue operation will become more complex if weather isn't suitable. May God have mercy on these souls.

ISLAMABAD: The American team of experts could not leave for Gayari sector to take part in the rescue operation at Siachen Glacier on Monday due to heavy and continuous snowfall, Geo News reported.

Why it took us one day to call for such assistance?

It should have been called the moment the dimension of avalanche was measured. Engg Corps and FWO have some great machinery, but US and Chinese are way ahead of us.
 
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Ok guys, this is how a glacier is suppose to move:-

Exit Glacier Moving, Kenai Fjords National Park and Preserve - YouTube

But it didnt happen, did it?!

The above video shows how it was supposed to happen, but this is what had happened:-

The Collapse of a Glacier - YouTube

Like i said, there was no Arctic Ocean or for that matter any other water body touching the glacier in our case (as it does in the above video), no earth quack either, this was NOT supposed to happen!
 
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Image from GE (late 2011):-

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Another view of the area:-

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ISPR has also released some ref. pics from google earth to the media which help understand the loc and movement of the avalanche. I have the pics but somehow not been able to upload em.
 
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And then surprisingly there was no earthquake that could have shifted it either. It's like, one fine morning a mountain gets up and sits on you without any reason!

Is there any tunneling going on or heavy equipment operating in the region? Those can trigger avalanche or even localized earthquakes.
 
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Is there any tunneling going on or heavy equipment operating in the region? Those can trigger avalanche or even localized earthquakes.
No. The area is inaccessible to heavy machinery, the max that can reach there are jeeps, even now the track has to be expanded so that trucks could reach there. And even if any such thing was being operated there, it would have been known that such an action could create avalanches.
 
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No. The area is inaccessible to heavy machinery, the max that can reach there are jeeps, even now the track has to be expanded so that trucks could reach there. And even if any such thing was being operated there, it would have been known that such an action could create avalanches.

The US Army manual says one of the triggers is helicopter sound and vibrations?
 
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