Austria passes legislation banning use of face veils, distribution of Qur'an

[Flash_Ninja]

Democracy is sometimes referred to as "rule of the majority"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

Austria: “Very nice student” converts to Islam, now he calls on Muslims to “kill infidels” and join the Islamic State
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/...s-to-kill-infidels-and-join-the-islamic-state
http://nypost.com/2014/10/10/pregnant-teen-girls-who-joined-isis-weve-made-a-huge-mistake/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/expert-austrian-teen-girl-dead-joining-isis-article-1.2049826
https://www.rt.com/news/186536-austria-schoolgirls-join-isis/
etc...

There's your answer why ...

How is this relevant? im responding to this guy talking about why Muslims cant criticise this law. I dont personally care what restrictions are put down, but that doesn't mean that all Muslims should automatically have their opinions disregarded.

Democracy is after all "The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life"

So ?
That is one of the weakest argument you could have come up with ?

how does it explain your hypocrisy in questioning austria but not saudi or Iran.

The only plausible explanation for your hypocrisy is that they muslim countries, where as Austria is not.

It is very strange of Muslims they demand equal religious rights in other countries but they are never ready to give equal rights and respect to other religions in their own country.

Are you being serious?

Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy, which in case you forgot means that the state is run by a single ruler with supreme authority and absolute power.

Iran is a theocracy, which in case you forgot means a state which uses religion as the source of its legislature and religious courts to interpret all laws. Irans constitution states that: "all civil, penal, financial, economic, administrative, cultural, military, political, and other laws and regulations must be based on Islamic criteria."

Austria is a parliamentary republic, which in case you forgot is a state where the country is ruled by an elected legislative assembly, and which is accountable to its laws and people.

If Austria makes a law restricting the rights of Muslims, then they should be free to voice their concerns. Are Austrian Muslims not Austrian? are they also not allowed to criticise because a Muslim country on the other side of the world is doing the same thing?

Even Pakistan is democracy, have you ever questioned , why all religion do not have the same rights.

Why a non Muslim Pakistani citizen can not rule the country

Pakistan is an Islamic Republic, that's why. The state runs itself on the basis of Islam, and provides a bias towards the religion in all matters.

Using your own logic; its very strange an Indian questioning minority rights in other countries when mobs are destroying churches and mosques in your own.

why blasphemy laws only protects Islam and not other religions?

Blasphemy Laws apply to all religions. You defile a temple then you can get charged, you make derogatory remarks about Christianity then you can get charged.

 

[Arsalan 345]

vienna have a history of muslims christians wars.i am not surprised! they hate us because of what we did with them.ottoman empire did great during it's time.this is hate they are showing against muslims.muslims are not united otherwise a ban of any austrian inside ksa would be a good measure.

 

[That Guy]

Is there such a ban on other religious texts, including the bible?

Either way, it's still an effective ban.

I'm also curious as to how true this news is. I've not seen anything other than this one article.

Democracy is sometimes referred to as "rule of the majority"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

Austria: “Very nice student” converts to Islam, now he calls on Muslims to “kill infidels” and join the Islamic State
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/...s-to-kill-infidels-and-join-the-islamic-state
http://nypost.com/2014/10/10/pregnant-teen-girls-who-joined-isis-weve-made-a-huge-mistake/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/expert-austrian-teen-girl-dead-joining-isis-article-1.2049826
https://www.rt.com/news/186536-austria-schoolgirls-join-isis/
etc...

There's your answer why ...

Your other sources are fine, but I would advise never using Jihadwatch as a source.

 

[Super Falcon]

Yet they become. Champs of humanity and democracy they fear the truth they croos all lines

 

[Penguin]

Mein Kampf and the Quran are not the same type of book lol.

Ban the Quran and so ban the Bible - simple as that.

Tell you what, let's ban all religions and their artifacts: nothing but trouble.

 

[bobo6661]

How is this relevant? im responding to this guy talking about why Muslims cant criticise this law. I dont personally care what restrictions are put down, but that doesn't mean that all Muslims should automatically have their opinions disregarded.

Democracy is after all "The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life"

Bla bla bla Democracy got long history of banning things that people of the country or should i say the elected goverment of the country Bans or restricts... And the oldest and simplest justification for government is as protector: protecting citizens from violence...

Your other sources are fine, but I would advise never using Jihadwatch as a source.

Dont really know whats the site is was, just putting random sites.

 

[flamer84]

vienna have a history of muslims christians wars.i am not surprised! they hate us because of what we did with them.ottoman empire did great during it's time.this is hate they are showing against muslims.muslims are not united otherwise a ban of any austrian inside ksa would be a good measure.

You see,"Ottomans did great things"-as in,invaded, raped,conquered and pillaged Christian lands. ....but this is great to you....when Europeans fought back and brought the war to you they are evil invaders....this is muslim hypocrisy 1 on 1

 

[assassin123]

Why can't rich countries like UAE take in more refugees??

This will ensure that there are no problems like these occurring.
Europe has taken in too much refugees.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

1. What must we do to get rid of this human rights nonsense? I can stand this when people from asia say: but you always claim human rights bla bla. Face reality, majority of europeans dont care about human rights. We want security and prosperity. I would even support death penatly if needed and a large part of european see it that way.

2. We had this veil nonsense here again and again. You dont cover your face in Europe. It is that simple. Alot of countries in Europe already have that law. France, Austria, Italy (through regional decissions). Accept it or get out.

3. refugees are not citizens. They are not allowed to work first and even then most never work. They claim benefits. Money taken from tax paying citizens. Its just right that they are forced to work for the benefits of the nation. Cleaing streets and so on.

4. Distirbuting Quran angers alot of people here. It also happenes that those who hand it out are most often Wahabis. People dont want this here. It only creates tensions. This is democracy. People ban it and so be it.


Keep ony thing in mine. No one invited them. No one here wants them. They can leave when they dislike the situation.

 

[Penguin]

Face reality, majority of europeans dont care about human rights. We want security and prosperity. I would even support death penatly if needed and a large part of european see it that way.

Ah, you conducted another poll of all European countries that allows you to speak for all Europeans? Look, as kindly pointed out elsewhere by others, you don't speak for all Italians (let alone for all Europeans)

Best you speak only for yourself here. Less embarrassing for the other Europeans on this forum, you see.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Ah, you conducted another poll of all European countries that allows you to speak for all Europeans? Look, as kindly pointed out elsewhere by others, you don't speak for all Italians (let alone for all Europeans)

Best you speak only for yourself here. Less embarrassing for the other Europeans on this forum, you see.

No i have Not, but institutions habe

http://www.hoover.org/research/europe-and-death-penalty

Majority of europeans are pro death penalty.

 

[Penguin]

No i have Not, but institutions habe

http://www.hoover.org/research/europe-and-death-penalty

Majority of europeans are pro death penalty.

Except, we weren't discussing the death penalty, were we? You made claims about human rights versus prosperity ad security. Plus, your article only deals with respondents in France and the UK, which is hardly all of Europe. Any evidence you provide should be comparative in nature, and comprehensive, as one part of Europe isn't necessarily the same as another (and you claim it is).

UK abolished capital punishment in 1964, France only in 1981 (although practised only to 1977). In Germany, is has been forbidden since the new constitution of 1949 (for obvious reasons ;-). Indeed, most of Europe - indeed of the world - has abandoned capital punishment. 'We' did this of course because the majority of people in all our countries were in favor of capital punishment.

Capital punishment by country

Legend
RED: Retentionist countries: 58
ORANGE: Abolitionist-in-practice countries (have not executed anyone during the last 10 years and are believed to have a policy or established practice of not carrying out executions): 29
LIGHT GREEN: Abolitionist countries, except for crimes committed under exceptional circumstances (such as crimes committed in wartime): 7
DARK GREEN Abolitionist countries: 104
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country

 

[curious]

You see,"Ottomans did great things"-as in,invaded, raped,conquered and pillaged Christian lands. ....but this is great to you....when Europeans fought back and brought the war to you they are evil invaders....this is muslim hypocrisy 1 on 1

Yes Ottomans were an imperial empire and they did some bad things as you would expect from an imperial empire. While those things cannot be justified, and frankly some of their practices should be condemned, the Ottomans were not the first and certainly not the last imperial empire that did such things.

Going by your reasoning..
What about all those European based Christian and pre-Christian empires (Romans,Byzantines etc.) that are considered to have done "great things"-as in, invaded raped, conquered and pillaged Muslim(middle eastern,African) lands. ....but this is great to you....when middle easterners/central Asians fought back and brought the war to you they are evil invaders....this is christian(european) hypocrisy 1 on 1.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Yes Ottomans were an imperial empire and they did some bad things as you would expect from an imperial empire. While those things cannot be justified, and frankly some of their practices should be condemned, the Ottomans were not the first and certainly not the last imperial empire that did such things.

Going by your reasoning..
What about all those European based Christian and pre-Christian empires (Romans,Byzantines etc.) that are considered to have done "great things"-as in, invaded raped, conquered and pillaged Muslim(middle eastern,African) lands. ....but this is great to you....when middle easterners/central Asians fought back and brought the war to you they are evil invaders....this is christian(european) hypocrisy 1 on 1.

The difference is, that our empires were creative. While Ottoman was only destructive

 

[flamer84]

Yes Ottomans were an imperial empire and they did some bad things as you would expect from an imperial empire. While those things cannot be justified, and frankly some of their practices should be condemned, the Ottomans were not the first and certainly not the last imperial empire that did such things.

Going by your reasoning..
What about all those European based Christian and pre-Christian empires (Romans,Byzantines etc.) that are considered to have done "great things"-as in, invaded raped, conquered and pillaged Muslim(middle eastern,African) lands. ....but this is great to you....when middle easterners/central Asians fought back and brought the war to you they are evil invaders....this is christian(european) hypocrisy 1 on 1.

There were no muslims in Roman /Byzantine ascendency times.The lines between Europe /ME were not those of today.Neither do most European societies today gloryfi the colonial past.