Australia to buy up to 5 Virginia class submarines in landmark agreement between Washington, Canberra, and London

[ZeEa5KPul]

Asia is now firmly in line with US. The US is massively expanding its posture in the Indo Pacific.

I don't care what's happening in your delusional fantasies, spambot. I only care about reality.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

I don't care what's happening in your delusional fantasies, spambot. I only care about reality.

USA currently doing blockade around China using its allies and China are alone in that war

 

[F-22Raptor]

I don't care what's happening in your delusional fantasies, spambot. I only care about reality.

Apparently you’re blind to what’s been happening over the last 6 months.

Massive Japan rearmament, huge expansion of US fires capability on Japanese territory. 4 new bases for US forces in the Philippines. AUKUS sub deal with permanent US submarine deployment in Western Australia.

China is effectively getting encircled. US hegemony is expanding in the Indo Pacific.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Apparently you’re blind to what’s been happening over the last 6 months.

Massive Japan rearmament, huge expansion of US fires capability on Japanese territory. 4 new bases for US forces in the Philippines. AUKUS sub deal with permanent US submarine deployment in Western Australia.

China is effectively getting encircled. US hegemony is expanding in the Indo Pacific.

Nothing's happened over the past 6 months. Your buttboys remain your buttboys, nihil novi sub sole. Your bases won't last the first 20 minutes of a war with China today, let alone tomorrow.

Japan's "rearmament" is swamped by a single year of China's defense spending increases, your few shacks in the Philippines will be wiped off the face of the Earth along with everything else of yours in the western Pacific, and one year's production from China's new yard at Huludao will be greater than the totality of whatever American hand-me-down SSNs Arsetraya gets.

All you have is India-level delusional rhetoric. Take a good long look at India - that's your future.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Nothing's happened over the past 6 months. Your buttboys remain your buttboys, nihil novi sub sole. Your bases won't last the first 20 minutes of a war with China today, let alone tomorrow.

Japan's "rearmament" is swamped by a single year of China's defense spending increases, your few shacks in the Philippines will be wiped off the face of the Earth along with everything else of yours in the western Pacific, and one year's production from China's new yard at Huludao will be greater than the totality of whatever American hand-me-down SSNs Arsetraya gets.

All you have is India-level delusional rhetoric. Take a good long look at India - that's your future.

Complete and utter delusion.

US hegemony is growing and growing , and Chinas efforts to extract the US from the Indo Pacific has completely and utterly failed. Practically every nation that matters in the Western Pacific is firmly aligned with the US, and US defense posture is massively expanding in the region.

The US just keeps stacking wins

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Complete and utter delusion.

US hegemony is growing and growing , and Chinas efforts to extract the US from the Indo Pacific has completely and utterly failed. Practically every nation that matters in the Western Pacific is firmly aligned with the US, and US defense posture is massively expanding in the region.

The US just keeps stacking wins

You're a waste of my time, spambot. I'd have an easier time convincing a schizophrenic the voices in his head aren't real people.

 

[FuturePAF]

Summary of today’s announcement

Full announcement with analysis

Sub Brief Live! AUKUS Partnership Update

US, UK and Australian reps make official statements regarding what submarine class(es) will be involved with the new Australian Submarine Program

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[jhungary]

Australian nuclear submarine program to cost up to $368b as AUKUS details unveiled in the US

Australia’s nuclear submarine program will cost up to $368 billion over the next three decades, with confirmation that the federal government will buy at least three American-manufactured nuclear submarines and contribute "significant additional resources" to US shipyards.
The Australian government will take three, potentially second-hand Virginia-class submarines early next decade, pending the approval of the US Congress.


There will also be an option to purchase another two under the landmark AUKUS defence and security pact, announced in San Diego this morning.

In the meantime, design and development work will continue on a brand new submarine, known as the SSN-AUKUS, "leveraging” work the British have already been doing to replace their Astute-class submarines.
That submarine — which will form the AUKUS class — would eventually be operated by both the UK and Australia, using American combat systems.

One submarine will be built every two years from the early 2040s through to the late 2050s, with five SSN-AUKUS boats delivered to the Royal Australian Navy by the middle of the 2050s.
Eventually, the fleet would include eight Australian submarines built in Adelaide into the 2060s, but the federal government is leaving open the option of taking some from British shipyards if strategic circumstances change.
Meanwhile, the federal government estimates the cost of the submarine program will be between $268 billion and $368 billion over the next 30 years.
As part of that figure, $8 billion will be spent on upgrading the naval base HMAS Stirling in Western Australia.
From as early as 2027, four US and one UK submarine will start rotating through Western Australia, to be known as the Submarine Rotational Forces West.
No decision has been made on a future east coast base for submarines, although Port Kembla has firmed as the most likely location.
Standing alongside Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, US President Joe Biden spoke of the strength of the alliance already.
"Today, as we stand at the inflection point in history, where the hard work of announcing deterrence and enhancing stability is going to reflect peace and stability for decades to come, the United States can ask for no better partners in the Indo-Pacific where so much of our shared future will be written," Mr Biden said.

US subs to rotate off Australian coast​

During the announcement, President Biden flagged that, from this year, Australian navy personnel would embed with both US and UK crew on submarines and at their shipyards.
"In fact, as we speak, the nuclear-powered sub, is making a port call in Perth and later this year, there will be a rotational presence of nuclear-powered subs to Australia to help develop the workforce it will need to build," he said.

"AUKUS has one overriding objective: to enhance the stability of the Indo-Pacific amid rapidly shifting global dynamics."

Mr Albanese confirmed that Australian submariners were already undergoing nuclear power training in the US.
"I am proud to confirm that they are all in the top 30 per cent of their class," he said.
"This will be an Australian sovereign capability, commanded by the Royal Australian Navy and sustained by Australians in Australian shipyards, with construction to begin within this decade."
Mr Albanese reiterated that Australia purchasing nuclear submarines would not breach non-proliferation treaties ratified by the country.
Mr Sunak described the alliance as a "powerful partnership" that would see "truly interoperable" submarines.
"The Royal Navy will operate the same submarines as the Australian Navy and we'll both share components and parts with the US Navy," he said.
"Our submarine crews will train together, patrol together and maintain their boats together.
"They will communicate using the same terminology, and the same equipment."

Money for US shipyards​

Australia will also contribute $3 billion over the next four years to US and UK production lines, with the bulk of that money heading stateside.
White House officials insisted Australia was preparing to make a "substantial contribution" to US submarine production facilities.
The US government will also request an extra $US4.6 billion from Congress to upgrade the nation's submarine infrastructure, with a concession that the readiness of American production lines are "not where it should be".

"More will be needed, and the Australians will also contribute there, so this is a generational opportunity," a senior official said.

Included in its overall project budget, Australia will spend $2 billion over the next four years upgrading the Osborne shipyards in South Australia.
The purchase of Virginia-class submarines from the United States was described by American officials as "a potent nuclear powered submarine force in the 2030s, much earlier than many had expected".
US officials tried to allay concerns about restrictions on sharing its nuclear technology with Australia.
"Australia is one of our very closest allies. They have stood next to us in no shortage of events and we feel very confident that they will take this this unique capability in a responsible fashion," one official said.
The three AUKUS leaders made the announcement at Naval Base Point Loma, in front of the Virginia-class submarine USS Missouri, which arrived in San Diego Harbor late last week.
Opposition Leader Peter Dutton said the Coalition would support the submarine deal "come hell or high water".
"We were the authors of it. We give full credit to the government for continuing it and arriving at today," he said.
"Regardless of the next election, if the Coalition is successful or not, AUKUS will continue and it must because the times demand it."
Ashley Townshend from the Carnegie Endowment — an international affairs think tank — said Australia's move to acquire Virginia-class submarines in the 2030s was "far more than a stopgap measure".
"These are by far the most-capable submarines Australia has ever operated and the first to incorporate the capacity for long-range strike with vertically launched Tomahawk-land attack cruise missiles," he said.
He also said the announcement that the United States and the United Kingdom would build a rotational force of five submarines at HMAS Stirling in Western Australia would have profound implications.
"This is by far the most significant near-term contribution by AUKUS to strengthening deterrence in the Western Pacific," Mr Townsend told the ABC.
"It is also part of a seismic shift in the US-Australia alliance that will see Australia play an increasingly pivotal role in supporting and contributing to military operations in the region."
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Australia to buy 3 Virginia Class sub with 2 options. And then 12 UK Nuke sub, totalling 358 billions over the next 3 decade. If I heard this correctly.

 

[8888888888888]

Australia need to pay back $368 billion for the next 30 Years, that is like $12.27 billion per year without inflation that they have to pay to the US.

 

[kingQamaR]

Beijing will be furious and simultaneously worried. A handful of advanced nuclear attack submarines are better than a fleet of 20 diesels for Australia's needs. They can leave Australian port, submerge immediately, go into the South China Sea and hang around for months undetected without going within 100 metres of the surface the entire time. They can go anywhere and China will never spot them. This is really bad news for China. Australians in the near future might he even go nuclear ?

 

[mangochutney]

Good deal for U.K.
British design submarine 20 will be built by BAE systems and Rolls-Royce &
start to be rotated in 2027
Australian military embed in U.K. this year to start training
thousands of jobs created
Win win .

 

[jhungary]

Beijing will be furious and simultaneously worried. A handful of advanced nuclear attack submarines are better than a fleet of 20 diesels for Australia's needs. They can leave Australian port, submerge immediately, go into the South China Sea and hang around for months undetected without going within 100 metres of the surface the entire time. They can go anywhere and China will never spot them. This is really bad news for China. Australians in the near future might he even go nuclear ?

No nuclear weapon,

But Aussie do have plan to get Aircraft Carrier, not sure if it was nuclear powered tho, RAN is eyeing the F-35B and F-35C and there are already plan to convert the 2 Canberra Class LHD into jeep carrier, the RAN want to buy another 2 in the next 20 years.

Most likely after we have taken the 8 new Hunter Class "Frigate" that was bigger than the Hobart Class destroyer...RAN is going to have a nice competent fleet afterward.

 

[kingQamaR]

No nuclear weapon,

But Aussie do have plan to get Aircraft Carrier, not sure if it was nuclear powered tho, RAN is eyeing the F-35B and F-35C and there are already plan to convert the 2 Canberra Class LHD into jeep carrier, the RAN want to buy another 2 in the next 20 years.

Most likely after we have taken the 8 new Hunter Class "Frigate" that was bigger than the Hobart Class destroyer...RAN is going to have a nice competent fleet afterward.

The Canberra class would only fit one naval squadron of F-35s (8-10) , probably why the RAN is considering on using them as amphibious Assault/helicopter platforms , especially taking into consideration the price of a single fly away F-35 at 100 million +

 

[Abid123]

Maybe China should arm NK with a couple of nuke subs? Tit for tat?

 

[jhungary]

The Canberra class would only fit one naval squadron of F-35s (8-10) , probably why the RAN is considering on using them as amphibious Assault/helicopter platforms , especially taking into consideration the price of a single fly away F-35 at 100 million +

Think they were cleared for 12 F-35B, I could be wtong on this, so don't quote me on it.

The thing is, Canberra Class get the RAN people all talking about fix wing capability, they are eyeing a bigger LHD that can serve as a light carrier as well, most likely 30-40,000 ton class.