Australia is at a point where it has to choose between its ally America and its economic backer Chin

[Beast]

Yeah, since you said it, then IT MUST BE TRUE.... lol, then DFAT, FIRB and Australian Bureau of Statistic must be wrong.

lol, do not indulge yourself as Chinese are the lifeline of Australian Economy, we have rejected more of Chinese deal than any other country in the world. And since the residential properties reform, we are going to reject more. So please, ask the Australian who they rather choose?

Stop being delusional.

They are rejecting is just some home pleasing policy. The hard fact is China trade is critical to Australia. Your mighty USA only contributed 5% to Australia annual trade. Do you want to know the percentage of China trade with Australia?

 

[jhungary]

They are rejecting is just some home pleasing policy. The hard fact is China trade is critical to Australia. Your mighty USA only contributed 5% to Australia annual trade. Do you want to know the percentage of China trade with Australia?

lol, you do know we can trade with ANYONE right? What did China have and the world do not? Electronic? Rare Earth? We trade with China because they are CHEAP, not because they are not replaceable. Go ahead, don't sell anything to Australia, we can get what you sell from Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia anyway.

On the other hand, if Australian did not sell you dairy, iron ore and coal, who are China going to turn to? North Korea??

 

[grey boy 2]

LOL, 月九 mouth cannon VS facts, no matter how much twisting facts and spinning around, it doesn't change the fact that Australia's economy heavily depended on the trading with China, we're talking about "ONE THIRD OF AUSTRALIA'S EXPORT GOES TO CHINA" period
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/great-chinese-slowdown-how-affects-world-ishank-sagar

 

[Mista]

lol, you do know we can trade with ANYONE right? What did China have and the world do not? Electronic? Rare Earth? We trade with China because they are CHEAP, not because they are not replaceable. Go ahead, don't sell anything to Australia, we can get what you sell from Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia anyway.

On the other hand, if Australian did not sell you dairy, iron ore and coal, who are China going to turn to? North Korea??

He's talking about the trade surplus Australia is enjoying with China, which is a pretty silly argument. There are many countries which have trade deficits and is still doing fine. Yet he talks as if without China buying your minerals, your economy will collapse and Australians will starve to death in the streets.

 

[beijingwalker]

China's recent THAAD retaliation against SK just backfired and is really an unwise move..

South Korea's tourism is crashed and their front runner in the election says will renegotiated THAAD deployment with China if elected.

 

[jhungary]

Lol. Australia has a trade deficit of $44 billion last year and they are nowhere near starving to death. Same goes to the dozens of countries which have huge trade deficits.

lol that guy is really delusional.....

Australian-Chinese import is at 24% or 44.24 Billions dollars.
Australian-US import is at 12.7% or 21.70 Billions dollars
Australian-Japan Import is at 7.9% or 14.59 Billions dollars

Australian-Chinese Export is at 34% or 59.99 billions
Australian-US Export is at 8.76% or 4.9 Billions
Australian-Japan Export is at 15% or 26.34 Billions

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/imports-by-country
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/exports-by-country

It's kind of stupid to say Australia will collapse if and when China stop both trade. China can try, but figure show it does not look good.

He's talking about the trade surplus Australia is enjoying with China, which is a pretty silly argument. There are many countries which have trade deficits and is still doing fine. Yet he talks as if without China buying your minerals, your economy will collapse and Australians will starve to death in the streets.

To be honest, I did not look at his post much, so he is saying Aussie will go hungry for the 14.9 billions trade deficits? LOL...

 

[Blue Marlin]

how about both.

 

[beijingwalker]

Gareth Evans: China now ‘rule-maker’, Australia should say no to US more

• The Australian
• 12:00AM April 13, 2017
• 

Former Labor Foreign Minister Gareth Evans will urge Australia to say ‘no’ to the United States more and recognise that China is now a “global rule-maker”.

The arguments will be laid out in a speech to the National Press Club on Thursday where he will speak alongside former Paul Keating adviser Allan Gyngell who has recently written a book on Australia’s ‘fear of abandonment’.

While Australia should not walk away from the alliance, the country should demonstrate “less reflexive support” for the United States’ foreign policy, Mr Evans will argue.

“My own experience strongly suggests that periodically saying ‘no’ to the US when our national interests are manifestly different, makes for a much healthier and productive relationship,” he will say.

He said the Coalition’s support for the Trump administration’s missile strikes was defensible but had “problematic dimensions”.

Last Friday both the Coalition and the Labor Party supported US President Donald Trump’s move to launch cruise-missiles on a Syrian air base.

Mr Evans will accuse the Turnbull government of “absolute capitulation to US pressure” over nuclear disarmament after Australia joined the United States and Britain in skipping March talks on a nuclear weapons ban treaty at the United Nations.

He will say that the ANZUS guarantee may prove to be “flimsy” but it offers “notional deterrent protection”.

Mr Evans will say that in order to take a more independent stance Australia will need to build up its military and “keep an open mind” about nuclear submarines.

“In military terms, this certainly means building defence capability that involves not only more bucks than we are usually comfortable spending but getting a bigger bang for each of them,” he will tell National Press Club.

While Australia should not become “Beijing’s patsy”, he will argue that Australia should recognise China is now a “global rule-maker and not just rule-taker” and allow the superpower to have “some strategic space”.

Mr Evans will say he agreed with former China Ambassador Stephen Fitzgerald who recently said Australia should consider that the country could only have influence over China’s actions in the region if Australia was closer to China.

“It means getting close enough to the Chinese leadership to be seen, as Stephen Fitzgerald puts it, as a genuine ‘friend at court’, influencing positively their bilateral and multilateral behaviour,” he will say.

China had “overreached” in the South China Sea and Australia should be prepared to push back when it came to this issue, he will caution.

Mr Evans has recently raised concerns with the Coalition’s approach to foreign investment after two Chinese majority bids for infrastructure and agricultural land were blocked by Treasurer Scott Morrison.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...e/news-story/facae8e243f14cf94c1ab5188016b17a

 

[Mista]

LOL, 月九 mouth cannon VS facts, no matter how much twisting facts and spinning around, it doesn't change the fact that Australia's economy heavily depended on the trading with China, we're talking about "ONE THIRD OF AUSTRALIA'S EXPORT GOES TO CHINA" period
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/great-chinese-slowdown-how-affects-world-ishank-sagar

Let's put it in perspective. Australia's trade surplus with China is around $15 billion and her nominal GDP is around $1.3 trillion. This means that the trade surplus with China contributes only around 0.01% to her GDP.

 

[beijingwalker]

Why Australian government, news channels and politicians start talking about choosing sides at all . What's all this fuss about?

 

[jhungary]

Let's put it in perspective. Australia's trade surplus with China is around $15 billion and her nominal GDP is around $1.3 trillion. This means that the trade surplus with China contributes only around 0.01% to her GDP.

Australia is not a Secondary Industrial country which remained to depend on import/export based economy, Australia is a market economy, which majority of their income come from service industry. Trade deficit is not actually represent the whole Australian Economy.

15 billions trade deficit would probably put some company out of business ( A great deal of those are Chinese company too) but certainly not enough to topple Australian Economy.

Why Australian government, news channels and politicians start talking about choosing sides at all . What's all this fuss about?

literally nobody is talking about choosing side........

And if it does, the answer is quite clear, we will choose US Over China. Period..

 

[beijingwalker]

literally nobody is talking about choosing side........

Gareth Evans, Is this someone.. . google to find more, not doubt you are still with US now, but no one knows for sure in the future when US further draws back due to its fading strength.

 

[grey boy 2]

Yeah, i should trust some bias narrow mind haters rather than real economy data LOL please use "Facts" instead of some self-made "Trash" numbers to support any further arguments

http://www.worldstopexports.com/australias-top-10-exports/

 

[Mista]

South Korea's tourism is crashed and their front runner in the election says will renegotiated THAAD deployment with China if elected.

Yeah but it's all pre-election talk. Trump promised healthcare coverage for all including those with pre-existing conditions but what happened now? Fact is THAAD has already been deployed and NK is getting increasingly unstable. He would need to overcome huge obstacles and opposition to remove THAAD. Succumbing to foreign political pressure is also unpopular with the Korean electorate.

 

[Shajida Khan]

They are rejecting is just some home pleasing policy. The hard fact is China trade is critical to Australia. Your mighty USA only contributed 5% to Australia annual trade. Do you want to know the percentage of China trade with Australia?

Australia's biggest export to China is Iron Ore and Coal. China will certainly not like to stop its furnaces from producing Iron and cause massive un-employment. Will it? BTW, apart from China herself, Australia is the second biggest producer of Iron ore in the world. Iron ore is like 1.3-5 billion tons is China's own production and 830-40 million tons is Australia's production. Next is brazil at 430 million. If China ditches Australia, where will it get all the iron ore to keep her Iron steel plants running employing all those chinese? And you cannot start and stop Iron Steel plants at will nor you can suddenly ask a mine to increase their production at will. On coal, China is moving away from coal and Australia's exports are already showing down turn to china. China cannot suddenly move away from coal and shut down her electric supply.

Your industry and power sector is dependent on Australia for their intake and there is no one who can feed them in short time. If China is world's factory, Australia is world's mine. You cannot produce things out of nothing. Your imports and exports are mutual.