Australia is at a point where it has to choose between its ally America and its economic backer Chin

[nang2]

It's a Chinese tricks, it's when you add 月 and 九 together. it's along the same line as in 門 + 小, that way you can spell a foul word.

月九 = Penis in Cantonese.

ha, I don't know that. you learn everyday.

 

[jhungary]

ha, I don't know that. you learn everyday.

Yeah, this is how people in Hong Kong Swear

That word is the alternative spelling of this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonese_profanity#Gau

Notice the word sound the same, but spell differently.

Not to mention investments has a longer term effect on the economy than trade. It indicates a certain level of transfer of skills, knowledge and technology, so it upgrades your economy to be more competitive in the long run.

Yeah, trade is trade, yes, but investment contribute more to local economy, every developed world have moved from trade base economy to service base economy.

 

[Shajida Khan]

As ridiculous as it may sound, your statement has a certain element of truth unfortunately.

At times I have said on this forum, some Chinese nationalists have a Nouve Riche mentality. It is the most obnoxious one.

 

[grey boy 2]

It's a Chinese tricks you use when you want to by-pass filter in Chinese Website, it's when you add 月 and 九 together. it's along the same line as in 門 + 小, that way you can spell the following foul word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonese_profanity#Diu

月九 = Alternative writing of Penis in Cantonese.

Wow, some so-called Hongkonger LOL, @Chinese-Dragon will be laughing at your fake accusation, probably will be feeling too stupid to even give you a response
Perhaps you thought by doing your usual twisting, spinning conspiracy theory covered up by a meaningless long post would proved you right? NO it won't, i'm not willing to continue debate with a dishonest economic illiterate
PS, sorry to disappoint you, nobody has any conversation regarding your groundless accusation with me, because you need "proof" Do you? or just because you said so?

 

[terranMarine]

Wow, some so-called Hongkonger LOL, @Chinese-Dragon will be laughing at your fake accusation, probably will be feeling too stupid to even give you a response
Perhaps you thought by doing your usual twisting, spinning conspiracy theory covered up by a meaningless long post would proved you right? NO it won't, i'm not willing to continue debate with a dishonest economic illiterate
PS, sorry to disappoint you, nobody has any conversation regarding your groundless accusation with me, because you need "proof" Do you? or just because you said so?

gau mut lan yeah ah ko diu lan?

 

[grey boy 2]

gau mut lan yeah ah ko diu lan?

I've no clue bro, you've to ask him

 

[武成王]

The media is always exaggerating on some obvious facts. AU intends to benefit from growth of China economy, however AU is the third anchor of US whenever you assess the diplomatic relationship. UK, JP, AU are three anchors of US global power projection, its location is unique compared with UK and JP because AU is a strategic location connecting the Pacific and Indian Ocean, US can monitor China and India simultaneously. Meanwhile, location of AU is somewhat awkward, because AU is a white dominant nation, half surrounded by Asian nations, AU has to rely on US regarding national security in long term. AU historically supported every major war waged or participated by US.

However, AU can not stop evolving into a melting pot of Asians, a small version US in the long run. Asianization is the final fate of AU.

 

[Viet]

Well, I think they are confused us with some backward African Nation. Or simply gone red for us rejecting a bunch of their deal lately, not sure.

But if these people think Australian Economic will collapse because China stop trading with us, let them think lol, I have no problem people living in their dream world, just don't shove those dream to me and keep it to themselves is alright with me.

Chinese are very good at doing business but if coming to good neighborhood, strategy and military sphere they only create chaos. Look at the mess right now in East Asia with escalating Korean crisis, the south sea claim since the Han alienating all countries in the region. I won't wonder if their confrontation to India will soon begin to escalate.

Australia has been rich before the Chinese came. Rediculous to demand the Aussie to abandon long trusted military alliance just because the Chinese now have more money and more trade figures. National security has nothing to do with trade.

 

[Oldman1]

Chinese are very good at doing business but if coming to good neighborhood, strategy and military sphere they only create chaos. Look at the mess right now in East Asia with escalating Korean crisis, the south sea claim since the Han alienating all countries in the region. I won't wonder if their confrontation to India will soon begin to escalate.

Australia has been rich before the Chinese came. Rediculous to demand the Aussie to abandon long trusted military alliance just because the Chinese now have more money and more trade figures. National security has nothing to do with trade.

Indeed alliance and economic relations are different. That be like saying Vietnam needs to choose, South China Sea or Chinese investments. Its like NATO, it has nothing to do with economic relations and more emphasis on military relationship.

 

[Viet]

As ridiculous as it may sound, your statement has a certain element of truth unfortunately.

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I once said the Chinese mindset has not changed since the Han. I can say it again. Chinese believe still being the center of universe, all other nations are either vassals or slaves. The babarians should feel happy for being allowed to trade with zhongguo. the new son of heaven Xi Jinping expects the same treatment like his ancestors.

 

[jhungary]

The media is always exaggerating on some obvious facts. AU intends to benefit from growth of China economy, however AU is the third anchor of US whenever you assess the diplomatic relationship. UK, JP, AU are three anchors of US global power projection, its location is unique compared with UK and JP because AU is a strategic location connecting the Pacific and Indian Ocean, US can monitor China and India simultaneously. Meanwhile, location of AU is somewhat awkward, because AU is a white dominant nation, half surrounded by Asian nations, AU has to rely on US regarding national security in long term. AU historically supported every major war waged or participated by US.

However, AU can not stop evolving into a melting pot of Asians, a small version US in the long run. Asianization is the final fate of AU.

While I agree on the first part. Where as Australia is a strategic cross road for US. However, I do not agree the second part.

Australia is, and always will be Anti-Immigration. The problem with Australia is that unlike other European or American nation. Australia is a self contained island and also a welfare nation. Immigration Policy is irked on for both political party. Australian sees immigration as an baggage for the Australian development.

In short, med to long term, Asianization of Australia is not going to happen

Chinese are very good at doing business but if coming to good neighborhood, strategy and military sphere they only create chaos. Look at the mess right now in East Asia with escalating Korean crisis, the south sea claim since the Han alienating all countries in the region. I won't wonder if their confrontation to India will soon begin to escalate.

Australia has been rich before the Chinese came. Rediculous to demand the Aussie to abandon long trusted military alliance just because the Chinese now have more money and more trade figures. National security has nothing to do with trade.

Trade is a double edged sword. You can't really use it as some sort of weapon to dominate or coerce someone into your camp. If it does, we would all be speaking Japanese for decays.

China is a developing nation, when their secondary industry is still bare the main frontage of their economy, so, it would make sense if trade was used as a weapon in or for China, Chinese damage is going to be great. However, Australia is not manufacturer or I/E based economy, a trade war would damage Australian economy, but the damage is limited.

 

[PeaceGen]

Australia is at a point where it has to choose between its ally America and its economic backer China

May 02, 2017

With America’s commitment to Asia-Pacific security looking shaky and China’s economic—and military—might rising, a peculiarly Australian question is at the forefront: Are we Asian or Western? It’s a dilemma not just of cultural identity—but about which major power Australia’s future hinges on.

“We haven’t had to choose in the past,” said Hugh White, a former official in Australia’s defense department who now teaches at Australian National University (ANU). But with a more isolationist Trump administration in power in the US, “Australia now has to think for the first time in its history what kind of place it wants to make for itself when Asia is not dominated by an Anglo-Saxon power.”

As a former British colony with a majority white population, Australia has for much of its history viewed itself as an Anglosphere country despite its proximity to rising Asian powers like Indonesia and China. Australia has a long-standing alliance with the US, and is arguably America’s most loyal ally on the battlefield. The country also hosts a number of US bases, including over a thousand marines stationed in the northern city of Darwin, as part of president Barack Obama’s “pivot to Asia. (paywall)”

Australia started to consider its place in Asia in a more serious way in the early 1990s, as the country, mired in recession, looked with trepidation (paywall) at Asia’s rapidly growing economies. Then prime minister Paul Keating warned in a speech in 1992 that Australia should no longer be dragged down by “Anglophilia and torpor.” The height of Australia’s cultural embrace of China arguably came during the administration of Kevin Rudd, a fluent Mandarin speaker. And Australia has also, in the past decade, become a much more multicultural country, with Chinese now the second-most common language spoken in Australian homes.

But Australia is still far too passive when it comes to China’s ascendancy, according to Linda Jakobson, founder of China Matters, a public-policy initiative based in Sydney.

“Australia has had a pretty easy equation for several decades now. Prosperity has continued in Australia as it ships resources to China, which has also contributed to prosperity in China. One hasn’t had to try very hard,” said Jakobson. “Australians need to much more deeply think about how they are going to navigate the region as China becomes more dominant.”

Location, location, location
While America dithers over its commitment to Asia, Australians know how their economic bread is buttered.

China wants everything from minerals to steaks to education from Australia, and is now Australia’s biggest trading partner in terms of imports and exports. According to a recent KPMG report, Chinese investment in Australia in 2016 hit a new record (pdf) since the financial crisis, with a record amount going into agriculture, as China’s middle class seeks safer food sources in ever-growing numbers. China is also the biggest source of foreign students to the country.

Attitudes toward China among Australia are also warming—particularly among the younger generation—as disenchantment toward the US grows, according to polling conducted by the Lowy Institute, a Sydney-based think tank. Trump, after all, did kick off his presidency by insulting a number of nations around the world, including Australia, and reportedly held an unfriendly phone call with prime minister Malcolm Turnbull.

“In America now we have Donald Trump, and that is the biggest wake-up call for clear thinking about America at least since the Vietnam War years,” said Stephen FitzGerald, Australia’s first ambassador to the People’s Republic of China, in a March speech. “This is not to say there hasn’t been cause in the years between; there just hasn’t been the scale of shock.”

Gift horse
Letting go of Australia’s Anglo-Saxon past, however, is neither easy, nor imminent.

While China’s gargantuan appetite for Australian products has shielded the country from the worst effects of the global financial crisis, Australians also recognize that this has come at a cost. Many blame the influx of Chinese money for fueling a property boom that has put home ownership out of reach for most Australians in major cities. And while Chinese demand for goods like wool and health supplements seems innocuous, there are growing concerns that China is able to transform its economic power over Australia into political leverage. Last year, a series of political donations scandals linked to Chinese donors raised questions over whether Australian politicians were vulnerable to security risks. Investments into more sensitive areas like farmland and infrastructure are also a source of worry—Australia last year rejected a Chinese bidder from buying a stake in power network Ausgrid.

Rory Medcalf, a professor at ANU, warned in a recent paper that Australia is overstating China’s economic leverage and should be ready to push back if China attempts to use its economic power as a form of coercion—a recommendation that has particular resonance at a time when China has applied that tactic to try and force Taiwan and South Korea into political submission.

“The risk is that Australia will buy the story that their economy is so comprehensively dependent on China that Australia cannot afford to cause China much difficulty on security and political issues, even when our interests diverge,” he wrote, adding that in terms of foreign direct investment in Australia, China still stands far behind the US, UK, and Japan. There are also no easy substitutes for goods like Australia’s iron ore if China wanted to reduce its reliance on Australian resources, he added, and exports of coal, tourism, and education to China make up less than 1% of Australia’s GDP.

Australia has pushed back. Canberra decided to shelve an extradition treaty with China as politicians expressed concerns over China’s human rights record—three Australian employees of gaming company Crown are currently being detained in China, while in March, China also prevented Feng Chongyi, a Chinese professor teaching at a Sydney university, from leaving the country. China in 2009 arrested employees of mining giant Rio Tinto, including an Australian national.

Canberra is due to release a foreign policy white paper this year, which lays out Australia’s vision for its foreign relations for the next decade, for the first time since 2003. A recent speech by foreign minister Julie Bishop—which came just ahead of a visit to Australia by Chinese premier Li Keqiang—suggests that at least for the near future, Australia will hold the line on China. Speaking in Singapore, Bishop called on the US to assert its leadership role in the region in the face of rising tensions in the South China Sea, and warned that undemocratic powers like China could undermine Australia’s “preferred” democracy-led order.

White, the former Australian defense official, criticized Bishop’s speech as “a ringing call for yesterday.”

“We can’t not accept China playing a bigger leadership role in the region because it’s not a democracy. It’s just wildly unrealistic,” he said. “We’re not comfortable with it but China will play a bigger role and we have to learn how to deal with that.”
https://qz.com/971330/australia-is-...s-ally-america-and-its-economic-backer-china/

my 2cts worth of advice : build up a strong defensive force, including 'turrets' along your entire northern coast (turrets to protect your naval and airforce assets with)..

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