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Attempted IAF incursion - A Failed operation

Should we retaliate?

  • Yes

    Votes: 154 87.5%
  • No

    Votes: 22 12.5%

  • Total voters
    176
Yes, it's their bread and butter, but you can't change the ground realities:

1. Detection on radar.
2. Assessment of whether CAP is needed
3. CAP orders issued
4. Time to get CAP airborne
5. Time for CAP to get within engagement range

Were those steps followed? Yes, and the fact that the incursion was limited to a few minutes would indicate that the response time was good. Any further improvements would require an LR SAM battery to engage while CAP was getting within engagement range.

CAP missions are routine. Scrambles are not.
 
Yes, it's their bread and butter, but you can't change the ground realities:

1. Detection on radar.
2. Assessment of whether scramble is needed
3. Scramble orders issued
4. Time to get Scramble airborne
5. Time for Scramble to get within engagement range

Were those steps followed? Yes, and the fact that the incursion was limited to a few minutes would indicate that the response time was good. Any further improvements would require an LR SAM battery to engage while CAP was getting within engagement range.

Fair play bro I’ll wait for more news.
 
"Last night, our radars were observing them. They had earlier come closer to our border but did not cross it. Last night, their first visibility was observed near the Sialkot and Lahore border. They were seen approaching the border. Our Combat Air Patrol (CAP) team approached and challenged them. They did not cross.

"As per the SOP (standard operating procedure), when the first team got committed there, the next CAP team automatically was airborne. During this, another one of their formation was picked in Bahawalpur sector. The second standby team went down south and challenged it. We then observed that the more heavier of their teams was approaching Muzaffarabad sector from Kiran Valley. When our third CAP team challenged them, they had crossed the LoC.

"Their approaching of the border, the challenge and their return took four minutes," said the ISPR DG.
Even if I consider this explanation to be true it still says that IAF crossed over at Muzzafarabad. From there how can they "drop their payload" (your DG ISPR words) 60-70 KM Southwest rather than 10-20 KM north?

Isn't it more likely that Balakot is the city in KPK rather than a small village on LoC which would take much longer to reach from Muzzafarabad
 
You are burning up inside lolz and all you could do is just troll haha pathetic nation and a coward armed forces :P



Careful what you wish for it just might come true ;)
I fully understand not enough reaction time to engage intruders, but CAP reached, why weren't they chased? Pak have BVR! Is it in SOP's not to chase invading crafts?

Now if Pak responds as they say at our choosing, that's more escalation.
 
You are honestly asking stupid questions. Is that my fault? Ask a pertinent question, and I can respond. As for the Indians, what do monkeys do?

No they’re honest questions you couldn’t answer, someone else just did.
No need to respond now.
Why you keep bringing Indians in here I don’t know.
 
ISPR Briefing Details
(further updates as they're published)

Early on Tuesday, the army spokesperson had said that Indian military planes violated the LoC, intruding from the Muzaffarabad sector, following which "Pakistan Air Force immediately scrambled" and Indian aircraft went back.

The ISPR DG started with a presentation, debunking claims made by India that the country's air force had "struck the biggest training camp of Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) in Balakot". "They are claiming that they remained in the Pakistani airspace for 21 minutes and killed 350 terrorists. They claim that the second strike was in Muzaffarabad and the third in Chakothi.

"Allah almighty is the greatest and we should not make tall claims, but come and try to spend 21 minutes in Pakistani airspace."

"According to war methodology, our entire Air Force could not have stayed airborne. Our safeguards on land were in place. So if they had tried an on-ground incursion, they would have met the response that we had planned.

"Last night, our radars were observing them. They had earlier come closer to our border but did not cross it. Last night, their first visibility was observed near the Sialkot and Lahore border. They were seen approaching the border. Our Combat Air Patrol (CAP) team approached and challenged them. They did not cross.

"As per the SOP (standard operating procedure), when the first team got committed there, the next CAP team automatically was airborne. During this, another one of their formation was picked in Bahawalpur sector. The second standby team went down south and challenged it. We then observed that the more heavier of their teams was approaching Muzaffarabad sector from Kiran Valley. When our third CAP team challenged them, they had crossed the LoC.

"Their approaching of the border, the challenge and their return took four minutes," said the ISPR DG.


"If they had struck any military position, then an engagement would have happened. But they did not do that because if they had done so, our soldiers were ready.

"India's purpose is not that — Modi's government, even when it violates ceasefire violations in Azad Kashmir, deliberately targets civil population. Had they struck the military last night, then uniformed personnel would have been martyred and it would not have served their purpose.

"They wanted to target a place where civilians could have died, so they could claim that they targeted a terrorist camp.

"This would have benefited their war mongering and politics. They entered from Kashmir's Tangdhar — they were timely and effectively challenged, and repulsed by the Air Force. On their way back, they jettisoned their payload. Four of their bombs fell in [Balakot's] Jabba and they went back.

"The ground troops' job is to ascertain if anything has fallen or not. When they [Indian aircraft] went back, we checked through our line of communication and found that there were no strikes."
https://www.dawn.com/news/1466161/ispr-dg-debunks-indias-claims-on-loc-violation
This suits both india n pakistan..
Modi. Re elections.
Imrans failures..compromises on corrupt people..
His graph was very low on popularity...
Now everyone is cheering..

No one wants a open war.. politicians are the most cowardly animals in pak..n indian..

Just vultures eating dead meats..

Next.. it suits both armies to up the ante a littel..
Short of boiling point..

India has capability to launch short range missels..

Why mirages... ???empty mountain..
Pay loades??
Dropped just for fun and charade begin from both sides..
 
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fail...ssed-jaish-run-madrasa-by-a-kilometre.604141/

International media is already reporting using local journalists and sources. Barely any damage

Let it be like that .
We dont want to pressure Pak Govt more .
Days of preparation ,dry run and most advanced satellite to pick everything .

Everyone knows what happen.
But our sides also want to diffuse tension.
That is why during their press statement ,Indian Secretary said Balakot only , Press tries to question him but he didnt allow let them confuse with that the empty camp Balakot near LoC .
GoI already handed over full evidence and details to P 5 and other nations.
So let it be that way
 
If the DG ISPR was silent about attack ,this much humilation wouldnt have happen.
They themselves released the picture and confirmed Indian strikes.
Anyway they will begin to release proofs and pictures eventually.

Our fight is against terrorism not Pakistan or her innocent citizens
They played this tactis very well when our commando operation happened previous time.
 
They played this tactis very well when our commando operation happened previous time.

We were always clear .We dont want fight Pakistan.This was the Pakistan responsibility to kill all of them.
Seems they are not interested and we dont have any choice.
Not a Pak civilian or soldier died because of this attack but only terrorists.
They are curse of humanity
 
Love to see you indians cry. Thank you for giving us chance for win situation. Now if we attack it will be response and if we don't it will be for keeping peace in the region. In both ways things will be in favor for Pakistan for World.

so you dont feel bad when your jawans die ?? great. as expected from you. As far as win is concerned then please let Kashmiris fight while we keep embarrassing you so that you feel like winning all the time. Don't cry about the intursion then.
 
Yes, it's their bread and butter, but you can't change the ground realities:

1. Detection on radar.
2. Assessment of whether scramble is needed
3. Scramble orders issued
4. Time to get Scramble airborne
5. Time for Scramble to get within engagement range

Were those steps followed? Yes, and the fact that the incursion was limited to a few minutes would indicate that the response time was good. Any further improvements would require an LR SAM battery to engage while CAP was getting within engagement range.
What about Medium range SAMs ,,,,,, what about short range ,,,,,, what about MANPADs and what about AA Guns...… not a single shoot had been fire from our side...…This very fact make me more worry …....
Ofcourse PAF need time to reach target place if Jets are not in Air already...… But for this very reason , to cover this time gap Armies around the world have Airdefence systems ……
Here I am not taking about PAF crossing over IOK and chasseing and shooting those mirages ..
 
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