Assertive India behind frequent border stand-offs in Ladakh?

[Europa]

Assertive India behind frequent border stand-offs in Ladakh? - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: If instances of stand-offs between Indian and Chinese forces on the India-China border have increased in the past few months, it could be due to the newfound assertion on the Indian side. Government sources say the forces have been asked to be more proactive and assertive vis-a-vis China on the border, leading to daily patrolling along certain areas on the border and greater interception of Chinese soldiers when they move towards Indian side.

Home ministry sources said forces used to earlier go to certain areas such as Dhemchok and Chumar-- where a stand-off is on at this moment --once a week or on alternate days. This has now become a daily affair. "Also People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers used to earlier venture deep into Indian territory before being sent back. They are now being intercepted right at the border," said an official.

He said even the current military stand-off in Chumar is right on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) while the shepherds from the two sides come into conflict a few hundred metres in the Indian side. Sources said Army has also recently built a hut at Tibley near the border in Chumar. There have been more than 400 transgressions by PLA this year already.

"The new government is clear on letting go off too much restraint in dealing with China. All these developments have irritated PLA soldiers no end and in reply they are flexing their muscle in Chumar and Dhemchok where they are supporting the civilians on their side," said the official.

Sources said PLA pushed civilians to protest against construction of a 'nala' near Nilu Nallah in Dhemchok after these advances from the Indian side. On the other hand, Indian forces held off PLA soldiers on LAC in in Chumar while they were constructing a road. "At Dhemchok there are around 30 Indian soldiers behind the civilian face-off while PLA has deputed 40 soldiers. At Chumar, there are 200 ITBP and Army soldiers in face-off with 100 PLA troopers," said the official.

In April, 2013 a far severe stand-off arose following a construction by Army in Depsang Valley. The Army had to break it down for easing of tension that continued for over a fortnight.

Sources said while efforts would be made to ease tension once again, it would be done on equal footing, as is the message from the government. "Another flag meeting is scheduled four days later in Chishul where we hope to find a breakthrough if we do not ease the tension earlier," said the official.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I wonder if "India being more assertive on the border" means setting up military posts far beyond even their own claim lines, like with their previous Forward Policy?

But today, China is not in the middle of the worst famine in our history, like we were during 1962. Nor is it our economy weaker than India's, like it was in 1962.

In fact the positions have reversed, and magnified exponentially.

 

[noksss]

I wonder if "India being more assertive on the border" means setting up military posts far beyond even their own claim lines, like with their previous Forward Policy?

But today, China is not in the middle of the worst famine in our history, like we were during 1962. Nor is it our economy weaker than India's, like it was in 1962.

In fact the positions have reversed, and magnified exponentially.

Where have you seen the higlighted part in the article ?. And how many times are you going to repeat the same comments again and again also keep in mind india was not what it is in 1962 . And neither india nor china is going to war for some military post . But the larger question is you guys claim the whole Arunachal pradesh but all your activities are now around ladakh guess why?. The answer is in the below article

China Provoked over India securing Tawang, attack where it hurts the most—Kashmir

 

[Trawllu]

I wonder if "India being more assertive on the border" means setting up military posts far beyond even their own claim lines, like with their previous Forward Policy?

But today, China is not in the middle of the worst famine in our history, like we were during 1962. Nor is it our economy weaker than India's, like it was in 1962.

In fact the positions have reversed, and magnified exponentially.

so in effect it comes down who has more to loose

in 1962 it was china with not much more to loose situation
now it is india which dosent have much to loose

always be afraid of a person who dosent have much to loose and more to gain

 

[thesolar65]

I wonder if "India being more assertive on the border" means setting up military posts far beyond even their own claim lines, like with their previous Forward Policy?

But today, China is not in the middle of the worst famine in our history, like we were during 1962. Nor is it our economy weaker than India's, like it was in 1962.

In fact the positions have reversed, and magnified exponentially.

You are so busy in bashing India, that you couldn't find time for my invitation to street food in India?....
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[Chinese-Dragon]

You are so busy in bashing India, that you couldn't find time for my invitation to street food in India?....
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I'm simply responding to the topic at hand.

 

[third eye]

I wonder if "India being more assertive on the border" means setting up military posts far beyond even their own claim lines, like with their previous Forward Policy?

But today, China is not in the middle of the worst famine in our history, like we were during 1962. Nor is it our economy weaker than India's, like it was in 1962.

In fact the positions have reversed, and magnified exponentially.

No its not.

India does not seek more than its oft asserted & recorded claim line.

 

[Europa]

present indian government has repeatedly said and is saying that india shares 3,500-km (2,200-mile) long border with china, which by default means, aksai chin is considered as an integral part of india whereas chinese government says the border is 2000-km long, which means aksai chin is not part of india. now, if some people don't get it, its the lack of their comprehension skill and intelligence, indian government is not responsible for that.

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India said on Tuesday it would firmly defend its 3,500-km- (2,200-mile-) long border with China after domestic media reported a new face-off on the disputed frontier, just days ahead of a visit by President Xi Jinping.
India says to defend China border after standoff ahead of Xi visit| Reuters

now if some indians say aksai chin is not indian territory and wish it to remain under chinese control, they may face charges of treason because they are not acknowledging indian territorial integrity. india has every right to build military posts in aksai chin. and india is doing that because india shares 3,500-km (2,200-mile) long border with china.

I wonder if "India being more assertive on the border" means setting up military posts far beyond even their own claim lines, like with their previous Forward Policy?

But today, China is not in the middle of the worst famine in our history, like we were during 1962. Nor is it our economy weaker than India's, like it was in 1962.

In fact the positions have reversed, and magnified exponentially.

please see my post

 

[kurup]

I wonder if "India being more assertive on the border" means setting up military posts far beyond even their own claim lines, like with their previous Forward Policy?

But today, China is not in the middle of the worst famine in our history, like we were during 1962. Nor is it our economy weaker than India's, like it was in 1962.

In fact the positions have reversed, and magnified exponentially.

True .... the end result this time can also be reversed .

 

[dray]

You are not an Indian @Europa , I told you previously also, just come clean and reveal your true nationality.

present indian government has repeatedly said and is saying that india shares 3,500-km (2,200-mile) long border with china, which by default means, aksai chin is considered as an integral part of india whereas chinese government says the border is 2000-km long, which means aksai chin is not part of india. now, if some people don't get it, its the lack of their comprehension skill and intelligence, indian government is not responsible for that.



now if some indians say aksai chin is not indian territory and wish it to remain under chinese control, they may face charges of treason because they are not acknowledging indian territorial integrity. india has every right to build military posts in aksai chin. and india is doing that because india shares 3,500-km (2,200-mile) long border with china.



please see my post

 

[SrNair]

I wonder if "India being more assertive on the border" means setting up military posts far beyond even their own claim lines, like with their previous Forward Policy?

But today, China is not in the middle of the worst famine in our history, like we were during 1962. Nor is it our economy weaker than India's, like it was in 1962.

In fact the positions have reversed, and magnified exponentially.

Counting too much on the 1962 is a worst mistake.
In 1962 we both are poor nations.But now we both are fastest growing economies.
And even if reverse may happened end result would be not good for China.

 

[Europa]

And neither india nor china is going to war for some military post

it is not for military posts, it is for indian territory which includes aksai chin.

Indian government has clearly said

(Reuters) - India said on Tuesday it would firmly defend its 3,500-km- (2,200-mile-) long border with China after domestic media reported a new face-off on the disputed frontier, just days ahead of a visit by President Xi Jinping.

while 3,500-km means aksai chin as part of india, 'firmly defend' means firmly no matter if it is war or peace. but indian government expects china to follow peace and peacefully vacate aksai chin so that war does not take place. this is a diplomatic language and diplomats understand it well. india has mentioned the length of the border means india will never accept status quo bs and will not compromise aksai chin.

china says the border length is only 2000-km as china considers aksai chin as part of china.

interestingly, the former indian government claimed the border to be 3,488-km long whereas the present indian government claims it is 3,500-km long and that means more lands claimed if one goes technically.

this is why india is building posts right inside aksai chin. the toi article did not elaborate it. i guess all confusions are cleared by now.

Officials dismiss China's Kashmir border claims - The Hindu

 

[halupridol]

Assertive India behind frequent border stand-offs in Ladakh? - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: If instances of stand-offs between Indian and Chinese forces on the India-China border have increased in the past few months, it could be due to the newfound assertion on the Indian side. Government sources say the forces have been asked to be more proactive and assertive vis-a-vis China on the border, leading to daily patrolling along certain areas on the border and greater interception of Chinese soldiers when they move towards Indian side.

Home ministry sources said forces used to earlier go to certain areas such as Dhemchok and Chumar-- where a stand-off is on at this moment --once a week or on alternate days. This has now become a daily affair. "Also People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers used to earlier venture deep into Indian territory before being sent back. They are now being intercepted right at the border," said an official.

He said even the current military stand-off in Chumar is right on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) while the shepherds from the two sides come into conflict a few hundred metres in the Indian side. Sources said Army has also recently built a hut at Tibley near the border in Chumar. There have been more than 400 transgressions by PLA this year already.

"The new government is clear on letting go off too much restraint in dealing with China. All these developments have irritated PLA soldiers no end and in reply they are flexing their muscle in Chumar and Dhemchok where they are supporting the civilians on their side," said the official.

Sources said PLA pushed civilians to protest against construction of a 'nala' near Nilu Nallah in Dhemchok after these advances from the Indian side. On the other hand, Indian forces held off PLA soldiers on LAC in in Chumar while they were constructing a road. "At Dhemchok there are around 30 Indian soldiers behind the civilian face-off while PLA has deputed 40 soldiers. At Chumar, there are 200 ITBP and Army soldiers in face-off with 100 PLA troopers," said the official.

In April, 2013 a far severe stand-off arose following a construction by Army in Depsang Valley. The Army had to break it down for easing of tension that continued for over a fortnight.

Sources said while efforts would be made to ease tension once again, it would be done on equal footing, as is the message from the government. "Another flag meeting is scheduled four days later in Chishul where we hope to find a breakthrough if we do not ease the tension earlier," said the official.

home ministry 'sources' eventually had to come up with something to address the valid concerns of ppl,with the kind of media attention the incident is getting,it wud be difficult to brush it under d carpet.

 

[Europa]

home ministry 'sources' eventually had to come up with something to address the valid concerns of ppl,with the kind of media attention the incident is getting,it wud be difficult to brush it under d carpet.

nobody wants to brush it under the carpet, yes, because the chinese president is visiting india, it is natural for the indian government not to create public tension but this incident started days ago (see the reports) and it will continue unless india secures and firmly defends its 3,500-km long border with china. this present government is not like the former government, mark my words. those days are gone. forget it.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I wonder if "India being more assertive on the border" means setting up military posts far beyond even their own claim lines, like with their previous Forward Policy?

But today, China is not in the middle of the worst famine in our history, like we were during 1962. Nor is it our economy weaker than India's, like it was in 1962.

In fact the positions have reversed, and magnified exponentially.

Forward Policy? You mean Modi will follow Nehru's footsteps*? Not going to happen. These are tug of wars to extract concessions. Wait for 2 months and you will see The baniyas are ruling now, you can expect to get a harder bargain.

***If Modi sees Nehru on the same line as him, he will vomit himself.