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Asia’s Rise Is Rooted in Confucian Values

In Chinese, any religions are below Confucianism. It's the framework of society.
Btw. Liubang? Do u know he was the founder of Han Dynasty. A major appeal during 1911 revolution was to revitalize Han Dynasty and Han identity.


Yes I do know, if Xiang Yu had won or if Qin Shi Huangdi's successor had survived Zhao Gao, then China would be a different country today. But that isn't why I picked Liu Bang as my nicknamed. Liu Bang is the ultimate underdog. Not necessary the brightest nor the strongest but he ultimately win everything at the end. Liu Bang did back stabbed people so what (he isn't rare in that history in that regard). Xiang Yu burried 200,000 surrender troops alive and still consider as a tragic hero. Meh, I like Liu Bang. The last high budget Chu Han contention drama. The actor was very very very good.

Confucianism is almost a non religion in my eye. Which I really like as a secular and an atheist. This is why China sometimes don't have non sense debates or controversy like people accusing Obama as a muslims or war on Christmas. There are real shit to be worry about and not backward debate on whether condom work in prevention of HIV, or female priesthood, or whatever.

Because Confucianism is not monopolized morality, any chinese citizens could stray from it or modified it as they see fit without having to think they are sin or bullshit like that.

On the other hand, this articles deals with capitalism, economic growth with Confusions values, yet we had none of that and still not only made it, but we are still leading the world.

Very true. But I think, the point here is what work for the USA is different than what work for Asia. India and China don't need to go down the same path as the USA. Which is good diversify and learn from each other as a human race.
 
This is a nice example of Confucian values in display and used for the betterment for the country at the time of a crisis.

Koreans give up their gold to help their country

South Korea has exported the first shipment of 300 kilograms of gold collected in a public campaign to help the country out of its economic crisis. The nationwide campaign - led by large business groups including Daewoo, Samsung and Hyundai - began on January 5, and involved ordinary Koreans donating personal gold treasures, which have been melted down into ingots ready for sale on the international markets. Kate Liang looks at the phenomenon of public self-sacrifice to save an economy in trouble:

It's an extraordinary sight: South Koreans queuing for hours to donate their best-loved treasures in a gesture of support for their beleaguered economy.

Housewives gave up their wedding rings; athletes donated medals and trophies; many gave away gold "luck" keys, a traditional present on the opening of a new business or a 60th birthday.

The campaign has exceeded the organisers' expectations, with people from all walks of life rallying around in a spirit of self-sacrifice. According to the organisers ten tons of gold were collected in the first two days of the campaign.

But perhaps the most extraordinary aspect of the campaign is not the sums involved, but the willingness of the Korean people to make personal sacrifices to help save their economy. The managing director of the IMF, Michel Camdessus, who has just completed a visit to Seoul, was clearly moved by the campaign, calling it "admirable".

BBC News | Analysis | Koreans give up their gold to help their country
 
This is a nice example of Confucian values in display and used for the betterment for the country at the time of a crisis.

Koreans give up their gold to help their country

South Korea has exported the first shipment of 300 kilograms of gold collected in a public campaign to help the country out of its economic crisis. The nationwide campaign - led by large business groups including Daewoo, Samsung and Hyundai - began on January 5, and involved ordinary Koreans donating personal gold treasures, which have been melted down into ingots ready for sale on the international markets. Kate Liang looks at the phenomenon of public self-sacrifice to save an economy in trouble

It's an extraordinary sight: South Koreans queuing for hours to donate their best-loved treasures in a gesture of support for their beleaguered economy.

Housewives gave up their wedding rings; athletes donated medals and trophies; many gave away gold "luck" keys, a traditional present on the opening of a new business or a 60th birthday.

The campaign has exceeded the organisers' expectations, with people from all walks of life rallying around in a spirit of self-sacrifice. According to the organisers ten tons of gold were collected in the first two days of the campaign.

But perhaps the most extraordinary aspect of the campaign is not the sums involved, but the willingness of the Korean people to make personal sacrifices to help save their economy. The managing director of the IMF, Michel Camdessus, who has just completed a visit to Seoul, was clearly moved by the campaign, calling it "admirable".

BBC News | Analysis | Koreans give up their gold to help their country

Well said bro!

This is a very vivid example of Confucian value - 仁义. Maybe @Nihonjin1051 @Yizhi @AndrewJin can better explain it.

We were puzzled when seeing how Greek and French public reacted by strikes or even riots when their very own country, their very own elected public servants are trying the saving the whole country from debt crisis. We were equally puzzled to see looting and fully armed police in Katrina devastated New Orleans.

Also, along with Confucian value, 身土不二 is a practical way of life deep rooted in Korea. Is hard to explain, just found a Japanese link for it:

身土不二 - Wikipedia
身土不二
出典: フリー百科事典『ウィキペディア(Wikipedia)』
移動: 案内検索
仏教

基本教義
縁起 四諦 八正道
三法印 四法印
諸行無常 諸法無我
涅槃寂静 一切皆苦
中道 波羅蜜 正覚
人物
釈迦
 十大弟子 龍樹
信仰対象
仏の一覧
分類
原始仏教 部派仏教
大乗仏教 密教
神仏習合 修験道
宗派
仏教の宗派
地域別仏教
インド スリランカ
ネパール チベット
中国 台湾 朝鮮 日本
ビルマ タイ 越南
東南アジア
聖典
経蔵 律蔵 論蔵
聖地
八大聖地
歴史
原始 部派
上座部 大乗
ウィキポータル 仏教
身土不二

  • (しんどふに)仏教用語。「身」(今までの行為の結果=正報)と、「土」(身がよりどころにしている環境=依報)は切り離せない、という意味。
  • (しんどふじ)食養運動のスローガン。「地元のの食品や伝統食が身体に良い。」という意味で、大正時代に「食養会」が創作した。
目次
仏教用語での「身土不二」[編集]
「因果応報」「世は人を映す鏡、人は世を写す鏡」と説明されることもある。 の僧 妙楽大師湛然の『維摩疏記』、北宋の僧智円の『維摩經略疏垂裕記』(「二法身下顯身土不二 由依正不二故便現身即表國土 離身無土者荊溪云 此是法身身土不二之明文也」 )、日蓮の『三世諸仏総勘文教相廃立』、無住道暁の『雑談集』(1305年(嘉元3年)頃)、親鸞の『教行信証』にもこの用語がみられる。

山下惣一や韓国農協は『廬山蓮宗寶鑑』(普度法師、1305年)が初出であるとしている[1]

食運動での「身土不二」[編集]
日本における発祥と展開[編集]
1907年(明治40年)、陸軍薬剤監の石塚左玄を会長として発足した食養会は、食事で健康を養うための独自の理論を展開した。その中に、その土地、その季節の食物がいいという考えがあった。

1912年(明治45年)、食養会理事で陸軍騎兵大佐の西端学が、この考え方を表すために提唱した[2]。石塚の考えを一般化するために「地元の食品を食べると身体に良く、他の地域の食品を食べると身体に悪い。」と解説したところ、京都の僧侶が「仏典に身土不二という言葉がある。」と教えた。仏典とは意味が違うが、西端は以降この説を「身土不二(じ)」と呼び、食養会独自の大原則として広めた。

昭和に入ると、「地元の食品が身体に良いという考えは、仏教に基づく日本の伝統。」との説が、有機農業・自然食販売業・生協運動・一部農業団体・代替医療などの分野で広まった。例えば、食養思想を元にマクロビオティックを創始したことで知られる桜沢如一が、身土不二は法華経に基づくと記している。マクロビオティックの一部に対しては疑似科学という批判もある。

身土不二と地産地消[編集]
国産農産物の有利販売や食糧自給率の向上につながると考えて、身土不二を掲げる農家・農業団体も多い。しかし近年は、食養会が提唱した趣旨とは若干距離がある「地産地消」のスローガンとしてこの言葉が使われることが多くなっている。

1990年代以前に身土不二を唱えた者は、地産地消に批判的だった[要出典]。

地産地消事業は、伝統食を改善しつつ、農家女性や高齢者の生き甲斐と所得を向上させる目的で1981年(昭 和56年)に始まった。指導にあたった生活改良普及員は、以前から特産物の栽培を勧め、栄養値の高い味噌の作り方を指導したり、伝統文化の保全に尽力して いたため、地産地消でも、伝統の良いところを残しつつ、塩分過剰やビタミンの不足などの欠点があれば改善する、というスタンスを取った。

一方、身土不二に従えば、伝統食は完璧だから手を加える必要がない。このため1980 - 90年代から身土不二を唱えていた論者は、「生活改良普及員が、伝統食を破壊して洋食を指導した結果、若者が早死にしている。」と非難した。この説は「逆 さ仏」説などの名称で一部に浸透し、たとえば沖縄県はそのような傾向が顕著である[3]。また、ビニールハウス栽培による(本来の季節では収穫出来ない)農作物の摂取について、これも有害なモノとして批判的な立場を取っている。

しかし、スローフード運動が高まった2000年代以降、新聞・雑誌のスローフード特集で、地産地消を「身土不二に基づく伝統」と紹介する例が急増し、両者の区別があいまいになっている。スローフード地産地消はほぼ同一内容を意味するともされる[4]。アメリカでもBuy Local運動があり、地産地消運動がある[5]

韓国における身土不二運動[編集]
1989年韓国農協中央会会長ハン・ソホンが、日本の有機農業の草分けである荷見武敬の『協同組合地域社会への道』(家の光協会)を韓国で翻訳する際に「身土不二」の語を知り、感動して国産品愛好運動のスローガンに使用した[6]。しかし、韓国での反日感情から「韓国の国民運動に日本のスローガンを使うとは何事か!」と批判をうけたため、調査の結果『廬山蓮宗寶鑑』が発見され「中国仏典の教え。中国の伝統」として紹介された[7]

日本の農協と異なり、事業別にわかれていない巨大組織である韓国農協では農協中央がすべてを一括して運営しており、そのような組織が「身土不二」をスローガンとするや、マスコミや学校教育などで宣伝され、一大ブームとなり、韓国国産野菜の消費が大々的に奨励された[5]。1990年から2003年の野菜年間消費量では、韓国の消費量は世界平均や日本の消費量をはるかに上回っている[5]。韓国農協では国産品(韓国産)の野菜のみの販売を原則としており、さらにハナロクラブとハナロマートという大規模な店舗チェーンを運営している[5]

この韓国での動きが1990年代半ばに日本に紹介され、身土不二が日本でも一般にも知られるようになった。同時に身土不二は「中国の伝統」「韓国の 伝統」など様々な語源説が広まる契機となった。しかし、韓国から日本に輸入されたというのは誤解であり、実際は身土不二の思想はハン・ソホンによる荷見武 敬の著作の翻訳を通じて日本から韓国へ輸入されたものであると山下惣一は指摘している[8]

現在も「身土不二」は韓国農協のスローガンである。
 
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Well said bro!

This is a very vivid example of Confucian value - 仁义. Maybe @Nihonjin1051 @Yizhi @AndrewJin can better explain it.

We were puzzled when seeing how Greek and French public reacted by strikes or even riots when their very own country, their very own elected public servants are trying the saving the whole country from debt crisis. We were equally puzzled to see looting and fully armed police in Katrina devastated New Orleans.


Leong et al (2013) made a great premise in comparing the successes of protestant-majority post-industrialized states with East Asia on the context of the religious or philosophical praxis present , namely the similarities of Protestant Work Ethic with Confucian Work Ethic.

The Protestant Work Ethic (PWE) had significant relationships with affective, continuance and normative organizational commitment, whereas Confucian value dimensions of diligence and harmony were significantly related to job satisfaction and affective / normative commitment, respectively. What's interesting is that Leong et al (2013) utilized dominance analyses and revealed that Confucian harmony was more useful in predicting affective commitment whereas in Protestant Work Ethic -- it was more useful in predicting normative commitment.


Reference:
Leong, Frederick,, Huang, Jason., Mak, Stanton. Protestant Work Ethic, Confucian Values and Work Related Attitudes in Singapore. Journal of Career Assessment, 00(0) 1-13. Retrieved from: http://jasonhuangatwork.com/papers/Leong_Huang_Mak_2013_JCA.pdf

Title is misleading. How Asia's rise is rooted in confucius values? May be China and east Asian countries rise is rooted in confucius values. Other Asian countries have their own culture and values. They have nothing to do with confucius values.


Actually, there have been plethora of academic work citing the positive correlation in Protestant Work Ethic and Confucian Work Ethic in regards to professional assessments in context to affective and normative commitment.
 
We were equally puzzled to see looting and fully armed police in Katrina devastated New Orleans.

African American culture (not talking about African in general just the one that been in the USA for generation) is very different than our culture. Part of their behavior shaped by the injustice of the laws. Part of it is just their own moral decay. Overall, in the usa, there are just so so many factions. And all are lobbyist for their own self interest. There are always racial tension and divide. Let take this head line for example.

Councilwoman Raises Concerns About ‘Blocs’ of Asians Moving into NYCHA | Observer

Title is misleading. How Asia's rise is rooted in confucius values? May be China and east Asian countries rise is rooted in confucius values. Other Asian countries have their own culture and values. They have nothing to do with confucius values.

To be fair, quite a few ignorant people in the west forgot that India is in Asia and are Asian. I always have to correct them >__<
 
Well said bro!

This is a very vivid example of Confucian value - 仁义. Maybe @Nihonjin1051 @Yizhi @AndrewJin can better explain it.

We were puzzled when seeing how Greek and French public reacted by strikes or even riots when their very own country, their very own elected public servants are trying the saving the whole country from debt crisis. We were equally puzzled to see looting and fully armed police in Katrina devastated New Orleans.

Also, along with Confucian value, 身土不二 is a practical way of life deep rooted in Korea. Is hard to explain, just found a Japanese link for it:

身土不二 - Wikipedia
身土不二
出典: フリー百科事典『ウィキペディア(Wikipedia)』
移動: 案内検索
仏教

基本教義
縁起 四諦 八正道
三法印 四法印
諸行無常 諸法無我
涅槃寂静 一切皆苦
中道 波羅蜜 正覚
人物
釈迦
 十大弟子 龍樹
信仰対象
仏の一覧
分類
原始仏教 部派仏教
大乗仏教 密教
神仏習合 修験道
宗派
仏教の宗派
地域別仏教
インド スリランカ
ネパール チベット
中国 台湾 朝鮮 日本
ビルマ タイ 越南
東南アジア
聖典
経蔵 律蔵 論蔵
聖地
八大聖地
歴史
原始 部派
上座部 大乗
ウィキポータル 仏教
身土不二

  • (しんどふに)仏教用語。「身」(今までの行為の結果=正報)と、「土」(身がよりどころにしている環境=依報)は切り離せない、という意味。
  • (しんどふじ)食養運動のスローガン。「地元のの食品や伝統食が身体に良い。」という意味で、大正時代に「食養会」が創作した。
目次
仏教用語での「身土不二」[編集]
「因果応報」「世は人を映す鏡、人は世を写す鏡」と説明されることもある。 の僧 妙楽大師湛然の『維摩疏記』、北宋の僧智円の『維摩經略疏垂裕記』(「二法身下顯身土不二 由依正不二故便現身即表國土 離身無土者荊溪云 此是法身身土不二之明文也」 )、日蓮の『三世諸仏総勘文教相廃立』、無住道暁の『雑談集』(1305年(嘉元3年)頃)、親鸞の『教行信証』にもこの用語がみられる。

山下惣一や韓国農協は『廬山蓮宗寶鑑』(普度法師、1305年)が初出であるとしている[1]

食運動での「身土不二」[編集]
日本における発祥と展開[編集]
1907年(明治40年)、陸軍薬剤監の石塚左玄を会長として発足した食養会は、食事で健康を養うための独自の理論を展開した。その中に、その土地、その季節の食物がいいという考えがあった。

1912年(明治45年)、食養会理事で陸軍騎兵大佐の西端学が、この考え方を表すために提唱した[2]。石塚の考えを一般化するために「地元の食品を食べると身体に良く、他の地域の食品を食べると身体に悪い。」と解説したところ、京都の僧侶が「仏典に身土不二という言葉がある。」と教えた。仏典とは意味が違うが、西端は以降この説を「身土不二(じ)」と呼び、食養会独自の大原則として広めた。

昭和に入ると、「地元の食品が身体に良いという考えは、仏教に基づく日本の伝統。」との説が、有機農業・自然食販売業・生協運動・一部農業団体・代替医療などの分野で広まった。例えば、食養思想を元にマクロビオティックを創始したことで知られる桜沢如一が、身土不二は法華経に基づくと記している。マクロビオティックの一部に対しては疑似科学という批判もある。

身土不二と地産地消[編集]
国産農産物の有利販売や食糧自給率の向上につながると考えて、身土不二を掲げる農家・農業団体も多い。しかし近年は、食養会が提唱した趣旨とは若干距離がある「地産地消」のスローガンとしてこの言葉が使われることが多くなっている。

1990年代以前に身土不二を唱えた者は、地産地消に批判的だった[要出典]。

地産地消事業は、伝統食を改善しつつ、農家女性や高齢者の生き甲斐と所得を向上させる目的で1981年(昭 和56年)に始まった。指導にあたった生活改良普及員は、以前から特産物の栽培を勧め、栄養値の高い味噌の作り方を指導したり、伝統文化の保全に尽力して いたため、地産地消でも、伝統の良いところを残しつつ、塩分過剰やビタミンの不足などの欠点があれば改善する、というスタンスを取った。

一方、身土不二に従えば、伝統食は完璧だから手を加える必要がない。このため1980 - 90年代から身土不二を唱えていた論者は、「生活改良普及員が、伝統食を破壊して洋食を指導した結果、若者が早死にしている。」と非難した。この説は「逆 さ仏」説などの名称で一部に浸透し、たとえば沖縄県はそのような傾向が顕著である[3]。また、ビニールハウス栽培による(本来の季節では収穫出来ない)農作物の摂取について、これも有害なモノとして批判的な立場を取っている。

しかし、スローフード運動が高まった2000年代以降、新聞・雑誌のスローフード特集で、地産地消を「身土不二に基づく伝統」と紹介する例が急増し、両者の区別があいまいになっている。スローフード地産地消はほぼ同一内容を意味するともされる[4]。アメリカでもBuy Local運動があり、地産地消運動がある[5]

韓国における身土不二運動[編集]
1989年韓国農協中央会会長ハン・ソホンが、日本の有機農業の草分けである荷見武敬の『協同組合地域社会への道』(家の光協会)を韓国で翻訳する際に「身土不二」の語を知り、感動して国産品愛好運動のスローガンに使用した[6]。しかし、韓国での反日感情から「韓国の国民運動に日本のスローガンを使うとは何事か!」と批判をうけたため、調査の結果『廬山蓮宗寶鑑』が発見され「中国仏典の教え。中国の伝統」として紹介された[7]

日本の農協と異なり、事業別にわかれていない巨大組織である韓国農協では農協中央がすべてを一括して運営しており、そのような組織が「身土不二」をスローガンとするや、マスコミや学校教育などで宣伝され、一大ブームとなり、韓国国産野菜の消費が大々的に奨励された[5]。1990年から2003年の野菜年間消費量では、韓国の消費量は世界平均や日本の消費量をはるかに上回っている[5]。韓国農協では国産品(韓国産)の野菜のみの販売を原則としており、さらにハナロクラブとハナロマートという大規模な店舗チェーンを運営している[5]

この韓国での動きが1990年代半ばに日本に紹介され、身土不二が日本でも一般にも知られるようになった。同時に身土不二は「中国の伝統」「韓国の 伝統」など様々な語源説が広まる契機となった。しかし、韓国から日本に輸入されたというのは誤解であり、実際は身土不二の思想はハン・ソホンによる荷見武 敬の著作の翻訳を通じて日本から韓国へ輸入されたものであると山下惣一は指摘している[8]

現在も「身土不二」は韓国農協のスローガンである。




Bro,

I also want to cite the top 10 nations based on IQ ranks.

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#1) Hong Kong (Confucian)
#2) South Korea (Confucian)
#3) Japan (Confucian)
#4) Taiwan (Confucian)
#5) Singapore (majority Confucian)

#7) Germany (Protestant)
#9) Netherlands (Protestant)
#10) Sweden (Protestant)


African American culture (not talking about African in general just the one that been in the USA for generation) is very different than our culture. Part of their behavior shaped by the injustice of the laws. Part of it is just their own moral decay. Overall, in the usa, there are just so so many factions. And all are lobbyist for their own self interest. There are always racial tension and divide. Let take this head line for example.

You're correct @liubang . There are so many independent variables that have affected the African American population in regards to success, including: a) single parent household , b) poverty, c) social injustices, d) effect of racism on internal development, e) gang culture and gang violence and the effects on personal and professional development.

We cannot ignore these variables in our analyses and thus should be objective about it. If and when the united states removes these variables, there's no reason why African Americans can't achieve , as whole, in comparative levels to say Asian Americans or Caucasian Americans in academic performance levels.

:)
 
We were puzzled when seeing how Greek and French public reacted by strikes or even riots when their very own country, their very own elected public servants are trying the saving the whole country from debt crisis. We were equally puzzled to see looting and fully armed police in Katrina devastated New Orleans.

Also, along with Confucian value, 身土不二 is a practical way of life deep rooted in Korea. Is hard to explain, just found a Japanese link for it:

Excellent Link, Bro.

Let me give an explanation of the Japanese point of view in context to your post:

  1. Japanese people tend to accomodate others' opinions rather than speak up for themselves. They attach much importance to harmony. Corporate policies are preaching the the importance of harmony.
  1. Many corporate systems are structured for cooperative employee performance. An employee submits an application for approval, for such things as a new plan, business trip or purchase (called "Ringisho") to the chief who passes it along to a higher level where it is again passed up the chain of command. If the application is approved, it is sent to accounting section, and then to purchasing section where the order is placed. In this way, responsibility is shared by many people. This system seems very inefficient, however, once the decision is made, the subject is performed in whole organization scale as a company mission.
  1. Japanese manufacturers cut their production costs by using sub-contractor grouping system. In the 1880s, Japanese automobile manufacturers reduced their costs by adopting a procurement method called "Kanban Hoshiki (Price and delivery control system by grouping sub-contractors)" and swept over the U.S. market. In 1990s, the U.S. automobile manufacturers developed the Information Technology to fight back. This is an example of the differences of attitudes between Japan and the United States that Japanese people attach importance to forming a group while Westerners attach importance to a technology (science).
  1. Companies also form nationwide group. This is called "Goso Sendan Houshiki (Armed Convoy System). The flagship is the Japanese Government. Companies are transport ships and ministries are the warships to protect and support the transport ships which carry the economy. Private companies are therefore highly regulated by the government.
    For example, recently the mayor of Osaka prefecture required the federal government's support to reduce the landing fee at Osaka International Airport which is under non-government management.
  1. In feudal times, a lord who owned his castle governed his territory by his own law, with warriors working under him. Members of the general public was at the lowest status. This concept still underlies current Japanese society. A company is the castle, administrative employees are the warriors and clerks are the general public. Employees have strong feelings that they are owned by their company and should to pledge their loyalty to the company. Changing jobs is regarded as disloyalty and is a disadvantage for the next employment opportunity. As more importance is attached to a group than to an individual, a company has more financial confidence than an individual. There are many cases of companies or organizations accepting business accounts only for companies. The U.S. domain name, com. is available for both companies and individuals, but the Japanese domain name, .co.jp is available for companies only.
  1. Lifetime employment:
    The Japanese employment system has traditionally been operated as lifetime employment. Changing jobs is regarded as a lack of allegiance to the company and is dis-advantageously evaluated by next employer.
  1. In most Japanese companies, white-collar executives account for a higher percentage than executives come from technical field comparing with Western companies. Most of the member of Japanese national assembly are graduates of law schools.
  1. In Japanese organizations, as in homes, hosts invite their guests to take superior seats. It is supposed that this custom has been passed down from feudal times.
  1. Within Japanese organizations, when speaking of other employees, the person's name is said without an honorific title even for high ranking employees. This comes from a strong group consciousness that every employee of a company belongs to the company and is a part of the company, and people are categorized as insiders or outsiders.
 
Where did you find these data? Anyway I found similar pattern in PISA's 2012 results.

Programme for International Student Assessment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Very interesting results ! Most of the productive nations in Europe are those with a strong Protestant Work Ethic:

1) Germany
2) The UK
3) Netherlands
4) Sweden
5) Norway
6) Denmark
7) Switzerland
8) Belgium


The United States, also, which is predominantly Protestant Christian, also has a very strong Protestant Work Ethic. In fact the 19th century American Entrepreneurial Barons of the Industrial Revolution were all Protestants who proudly cited their Protestant Work Ethic in their success:

a) John Astor
b) Andrew Carnegie
c) William Clark
d) J.P Morgan
e) John Osgood
f) Charles Schwab
g) Cornelius Vanderbilt
h) Charles Yerkes

et al !
 
Excellent Link, Bro.

Let me give an explanation of the Japanese point of view in context to your post:

  1. Japanese people tend to accomodate others' opinions rather than speak up for themselves. They attach much importance to harmony. Corporate policies are preaching the the importance of harmony.
  1. Many corporate systems are structured for cooperative employee performance. An employee submits an application for approval, for such things as a new plan, business trip or purchase (called "Ringisho") to the chief who passes it along to a higher level where it is again passed up the chain of command. If the application is approved, it is sent to accounting section, and then to purchasing section where the order is placed. In this way, responsibility is shared by many people. This system seems very inefficient, however, once the decision is made, the subject is performed in whole organization scale as a company mission.
  1. Japanese manufacturers cut their production costs by using sub-contractor grouping system. In the 1880s, Japanese automobile manufacturers reduced their costs by adopting a procurement method called "Kanban Hoshiki (Price and delivery control system by grouping sub-contractors)" and swept over the U.S. market. In 1990s, the U.S. automobile manufacturers developed the Information Technology to fight back. This is an example of the differences of attitudes between Japan and the United States that Japanese people attach importance to forming a group while Westerners attach importance to a technology (science).
  1. Companies also form nationwide group. This is called "Goso Sendan Houshiki (Armed Convoy System). The flagship is the Japanese Government. Companies are transport ships and ministries are the warships to protect and support the transport ships which carry the economy. Private companies are therefore highly regulated by the government.
    For example, recently the mayor of Osaka prefecture required the federal government's support to reduce the landing fee at Osaka International Airport which is under non-government management.
  1. In feudal times, a lord who owned his castle governed his territory by his own law, with warriors working under him. Members of the general public was at the lowest status. This concept still underlies current Japanese society. A company is the castle, administrative employees are the warriors and clerks are the general public. Employees have strong feelings that they are owned by their company and should to pledge their loyalty to the company. Changing jobs is regarded as disloyalty and is a disadvantage for the next employment opportunity. As more importance is attached to a group than to an individual, a company has more financial confidence than an individual. There are many cases of companies or organizations accepting business accounts only for companies. The U.S. domain name, com. is available for both companies and individuals, but the Japanese domain name, .co.jp is available for companies only.
  1. Lifetime employment:
    The Japanese employment system has traditionally been operated as lifetime employment. Changing jobs is regarded as a lack of allegiance to the company and is dis-advantageously evaluated by next employer.
  1. In most Japanese companies, white-collar executives account for a higher percentage than executives come from technical field comparing with Western companies. Most of the member of Japanese national assembly are graduates of law schools.
  1. In Japanese organizations, as in homes, hosts invite their guests to take superior seats. It is supposed that this custom has been passed down from feudal times.
  1. Within Japanese organizations, when speaking of other employees, the person's name is said without an honorific title even for high ranking employees. This comes from a strong group consciousness that every employee of a company belongs to the company and is a part of the company, and people are categorized as insiders or outsiders.
Very interesting results ! Most of the productive nations in Europe are those with a strong Protestant Work Ethic:

1) Germany
2) The UK
3) Netherlands
4) Sweden
5) Norway
6) Denmark
7) Switzerland
8) Belgium


The United States, also, which is predominantly Protestant Christian, also has a very strong Protestant Work Ethic. In fact the 19th century American Entrepreneurial Barons of the Industrial Revolution were all Protestants who proudly cited their Protestant Work Ethic in their success:

a) John Astor
b) Andrew Carnegie
c) William Clark
d) J.P Morgan
e) John Osgood
f) Charles Schwab
g) Cornelius Vanderbilt
h) Charles Yerkes

et al !

Wow you are a real think tank ... kudos ... :tup::tup::tup:

In George Orwell's novel, the future are fought between "East Asia" (Beijing-Tokyo-Seoul axis), "Oceania" (US and 4 Anglo states) and "Eurasia" (Moscow-Berlin axis).

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In Samuel Huntington's theory, clash of civilization would happen between the Confucian East, the Christian West and the Muslim world.

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In comparison to them, what will international competition (not exactly war, but maybe competition for excellence) look like tomorrow in Nihonjin1051's view?
 
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In comparison to them, what will international competition (not exactly war, but maybe competition for excellence) look like tomorrow in Nihonjin1051's view?


Hey @Shotgunner51 ,

Its definitely going to be an interesting century , if not growing unstable, in regards to global health. There are pockets of instability in the globe that the West (traditionally have taken the mantle of being the "guardians" of world order) have proven unable to control or keep at peace. When i say the 'West', I'm referring to the United States, France, UK, Germany and other key and active members of NATO (as not all NATO member states are active at all, many are insignificant).

Now, let me identify these pockets of instability:
a) The Middle East (Syria , Iraq, GCC)
b) North Africa (Libya, Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia)
c) Subsaharan Africa (Nigeria, Congo, Kenya, Benin, Djibouti, Sudan
d) Latin America (Venezuela, Colombia, Nicaragua, Panama, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico)
e) Europe (The Ukraine, the ethnic / religious tensions in Europe cannot be ignored)
f) South and Southeast Asia

It is clear that the West-led security apparatus is not able to counter effectively these threats, either they are unable to or are unwilling to expend the resources that continues to mount our global community. This is where I see the role of East Asia coming to play. The Giants of East Asia (China and Japan) have been largely vested in development of Asia-Pacific , this can be seen in our two nations' massive economies (China = $10.5 Trillion GDP, Japan = $5 Trillion GDP).

China and Japan have been active in Africa and beyond in terms of investment and developmental initiatives, and our foreign policies , clearly and visibly, have been affixed on a peaceful vantage point. To a flaw. Our multi-billion dollar initiatives in Africa, the Middle East and beyond have been limited to official development assistance aid, grants, but have been lacking in security apparatus. The multi billion dollar initiatives by both Japan and China in North Africa and the Middle East have been incinerated due to the civil war and terrorism-based infighting there.

In trying to focus on being 'benign' and 'peaceful oriented' both Japan and China have not , historically, aspired for a military based foreign policy or a linked security apparatus with our multifactorial investments abroad. See how that helped us ! It is apparent, my friend, that Japan and China MUST take up an active policy in securing our interests abroad. It is necessary given the size of our individual nations' economy, which if combined is as large as the entire European Union.

So what must we do? What must be done? Active participation and deployment of the People's Liberation Army, Navy and Air Force in order to secure China's interests in Africa, the Middle East, South America, Europe. Japan, too, must deploy the Japanese Self Defense Forces to secure Japanese trade missions abroad, investments, as well as work with the Chinese to guarantee the Freedom of Navigation in the Straits of Djibouti as well as in the Persian Gulf. We cannot rely simply on NATO or the Americans. And that is clear. We must discern on our future, our shared and mutual interests , and together must work to stabilize our Asia-Pacific, and Beyond. We are living in the cusp of an interesting paradigm shift in regards to international power and order. :)

Wow you are a real think tank ... kudos ... :tup::tup::tup:

In George Orwell's novel, the future are fought between "East Asia" (Beijing-Tokyo-Seoul axis), "Oceania" (US and 4 Anglo states) and "Eurasia" (Moscow-Berlin axis).

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In Samuel Huntington's theory, clash of civilization would happen between the Confucian East, the Christian West and the Muslim world.

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In comparison to them, what will international competition (not exactly war, but maybe competition for excellence) look like tomorrow in Nihonjin1051's view?


@Shotgunner51 buddy,

I recommend you read a work by Okabe Tatsumi titled "Nitchu kankei no kako to shorai (The Past and Future of Sino-Japanese Relations)"

Nitchu kankei stresses the mutual influence and interrelationships that characterize Sino-Japanese relations. Peace and friendship are advanced as natural and appropriate goals for both powers to be achieved through mutual understanding. Okabe presses for a problem-solving approach toSino-Japanese relations. “Can we really say that ‘China is bad’ or ‘Japan is bad’? China has its point of view and Japan has Japan’s.” From this starting point, the work discusses previous failings of Sino-Japanese relations, outlines potential pitfalls, and imagines a better future. It exemplifies how positive imaginative projects conducive to a breakthrough in China-Japan relations are being presented in Japanese academic and popular writing.

The orientation of the majority of Japanese academics in the humanities and social sciences, and of presses that publish a range of relevant titles like Iwanami and Akashi Shoten, is positive about the future of China-Japan relations. What is particularly striking is that the hopeful vision presented in Nitchu kankei is shared by popular works in all of the major paperback non-fiction series. The majority clearly anticipate closer relations between Japan and China and see this as serving Japanese as well as Chinese interests.

;)

@TaiShang bro, i know you're an academic scholar, have you read Okabe's works before? He's one of my favorites in regards to Sino-Japanese Analysis. In fact some of his earlier works inspired me in conducting some of my own independent research on the cross-straits relations (China-Japan, not China-Taiwan, lol).
 
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