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Julian Snelder
April 30, 2015


East Asia's path to industrial success is well-trodden, first by Japan, then the four tigers and now China. It combines Soviet-style financial repression and urban industrialization with a mercantilist focus on exports and protecting home champions. Buy local, sell global. This is the formula for How Asia Works. Can South, Central and Southeast Asian nations follow the East Asian convoy?

John Lee at the Hudson Institute has his doubts, citing two awkward realities that face latecomers and laggards.

First, robotics is tilting the advantage to capital-intensive rather than labor-intensive economies. 'Premature non-industrialization' is already here; it is becoming harder for poor countries to get rich the traditional way. The onset of peak manufacturing comes earlier now.

The second problem Lee identifies is one of simple demographic scale. In 1970, Japan, Korea and Taiwan collectively had 150 million people and exported goods to about 400 million wealthier Western consumers. Today, globalization has reversed the balance. Lee reckons there are 1 billion affluent consumers worldwide, but 2 billion striving to serve them and that's just in East Asia alone. The field is getting more crowded as India, Latin American and African nations join the export game.

Their biggest challenge is China. It is, uniquely, both an affluent domestic consumer market and a ferociously competitive exporter. China's scale economies, eager workforce and expertise are hard for the global supply chain to escape, other than for very low-end manufacturing like textiles. As China progresses, it may be closing the industrialization gate behind it. It is embracing automation to become the world's biggest robot importer. But Beijing naturally wants an automation industry for itself and targets an advanced domestic equipment base by 2025. When China makes the machines that make the machines that replace humans, workers of the world will unite in worry.

With such intense focus on corporate competitiveness and the interests of capital, it is not surprising that China's overseas developmental assistance is also businesslike.

Informed Chinese experts tell me that Chinese firms expect to scoop 93-94% of the contract value of all projects funded by the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) plus the Chinese unilateral initiatives (like Silk Road Fund) combined. By Goldman Sachs' calculation, local expectations for China's newly re-combined train-making monopoly assume a clean sweep at home and an heroic 55% share of all railway rolling stock bought overseas in the next five years. These firms expect a bonanza of construction in which Chinese money, materials, management and manpower can build grand overseas projects. Foreign firms will have to settle for spillover business, in the form of subcontracts.

Indonesia's development minister, for one, is relaxed. The AIIB will focus on big-ticket items like coal-fired power stations, he reckons, which complements the World Bank's work in poverty reduction and public healthcare and the Asian Development Bank's focus on irrigation and rural roads. In other words, China will build big things; other agencies will do little things. The irony is that the early breakthroughs China itself made (partly with World Bank advice) were in the 'small' stuff: democratizing literacy, improving sanitation, and opening opportunity for women. Before it started pouring concrete, China got the basics right first.

No doubt the Chinese would love to sell expensive bullet trains to India, say, but if they were truly interested in assisting India's development, they should share their admirable experience in schooling girls. Would India listen? Narendra Modi does understand that his country risks being 'hollowed out' or de-industrialized unless his own 'Make in India' project succeeds. His trade deficit with China is soaring. India imports high-tech equipment while its exports to China read like the cargo manifest of a 19th century sailing ship.

China isn't alone in its single-minded pursuit of turnkey infrastructure projects. Building factories is, after all, easier than building 'institutional capabilities.' The ADB has long been accused of favouring Japanese construction firms. Russia has become a nuclear one-stop shop, financing, building and even operating nuclear power stations worldwide. Moscow is not particularly interested in transferring skills.

These are commercial transactions after all, not charity. Shen Dingli crisply explains that recent comparisons with the Marshall Plan are totally misguided. China is not granting aid nor should partner countries expect it. Instead this is a 'win-win' business arrangement. Certainly China's SOEs will win big. And shiny new highways and power plants and railways are welcome everywhere. But the bills will need to be paid.
 
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First, robotics is tilting the advantage to capital-intensive rather than labor-intensive economies. 'Premature non-industrialization' is already here; it is becoming harder for poor countries to get rich the traditional way. The onset of peak manufacturing comes earlier now.

@Shotgunner51 This is something I said weeks ago. It will come to a point where robots will be used to make robots with little labour so there is a serious threat to low-skilled labour. This should be taken seriously by current developing countries.
 
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Asia's Economic Miracle: Dead and Buried? | The National Interest Blog

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Julian Snelder
April 30, 2015


East Asia's path to industrial success is well-trodden, first by Japan, then the four tigers and now China. It combines Soviet-style financial repression and urban industrialization with a mercantilist focus on exports and protecting home champions. Buy local, sell global. This is the formula for How Asia Works. Can South, Central and Southeast Asian nations follow the East Asian convoy?

John Lee at the Hudson Institute has his doubts, citing two awkward realities that face latecomers and laggards.

First, robotics is tilting the advantage to capital-intensive rather than labor-intensive economies. 'Premature non-industrialization' is already here; it is becoming harder for poor countries to get rich the traditional way. The onset of peak manufacturing comes earlier now.

The second problem Lee identifies is one of simple demographic scale. In 1970, Japan, Korea and Taiwan collectively had 150 million people and exported goods to about 400 million wealthier Western consumers. Today, globalization has reversed the balance. Lee reckons there are 1 billion affluent consumers worldwide, but 2 billion striving to serve them and that's just in East Asia alone. The field is getting more crowded as India, Latin American and African nations join the export game.

Their biggest challenge is China. It is, uniquely, both an affluent domestic consumer market and a ferociously competitive exporter. China's scale economies, eager workforce and expertise are hard for the global supply chain to escape, other than for very low-end manufacturing like textiles. As China progresses, it may be closing the industrialization gate behind it. It is embracing automation to become the world's biggest robot importer. But Beijing naturally wants an automation industry for itself and targets an advanced domestic equipment base by 2025. When China makes the machines that make the machines that replace humans, workers of the world will unite in worry.

With such intense focus on corporate competitiveness and the interests of capital, it is not surprising that China's overseas developmental assistance is also businesslike.

Informed Chinese experts tell me that Chinese firms expect to scoop 93-94% of the contract value of all projects funded by the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) plus the Chinese unilateral initiatives (like Silk Road Fund) combined. By Goldman Sachs' calculation, local expectations for China's newly re-combined train-making monopoly assume a clean sweep at home and an heroic 55% share of all railway rolling stock bought overseas in the next five years. These firms expect a bonanza of construction in which Chinese money, materials, management and manpower can build grand overseas projects. Foreign firms will have to settle for spillover business, in the form of subcontracts.

Indonesia's development minister, for one, is relaxed. The AIIB will focus on big-ticket items like coal-fired power stations, he reckons, which complements the World Bank's work in poverty reduction and public healthcare and the Asian Development Bank's focus on irrigation and rural roads. In other words, China will build big things; other agencies will do little things. The irony is that the early breakthroughs China itself made (partly with World Bank advice) were in the 'small' stuff: democratizing literacy, improving sanitation, and opening opportunity for women. Before it started pouring concrete, China got the basics right first.

No doubt the Chinese would love to sell expensive bullet trains to India, say, but if they were truly interested in assisting India's development, they should share their admirable experience in schooling girls. Would India listen? Narendra Modi does understand that his country risks being 'hollowed out' or de-industrialized unless his own 'Make in India' project succeeds. His trade deficit with China is soaring. India imports high-tech equipment while its exports to China read like the cargo manifest of a 19th century sailing ship.

China isn't alone in its single-minded pursuit of turnkey infrastructure projects. Building factories is, after all, easier than building 'institutional capabilities.' The ADB has long been accused of favouring Japanese construction firms. Russia has become a nuclear one-stop shop, financing, building and even operating nuclear power stations worldwide. Moscow is not particularly interested in transferring skills.

These are commercial transactions after all, not charity. Shen Dingli crisply explains that recent comparisons with the Marshall Plan are totally misguided. China is not granting aid nor should partner countries expect it. Instead this is a 'win-win' business arrangement. Certainly China's SOEs will win big. And shiny new highways and power plants and railways are welcome everywhere. But the bills will need to be paid.
A lot of people in developing countries are neglecting the ongoing industrial revolution. I think China and some countries of ASEAN are the last members of this well-trodden path, no other countries can replicate the same route again. East Asia-ASEAN manufacturing chain is the only future.
 
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@Shotgunner51 This is something I said weeks ago. It will come to a point where robots will be used to make robots with little labour so there is a serious threat to low-skilled labour. This should be taken seriously by current developing countries.
This tendency is becoming prominent here. Industry in Japan and SK is already highly automatic and next is China.
 
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@Shotgunner51 This is something I said weeks ago. It will come to a point where robots will be used to make robots with little labour so there is a serious threat to low-skilled labour. This should be taken seriously by current developing countries.
Robots still has their limit and robots are expensive. It will be even more expensive to fix it if they breaks down.
 
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Robots still has their limit and robots are expensive. It will be even more expensive to fix it if they breaks down.
Of course it has limits. And pls check the manufacturing value-added per capita, why China is so low compared to Japan and SK. One of the methods to boost manufacturing value-added per capita is to introduce automation to China. It's NOT replacing human, but make full use of existing precious labor. This revolution is just like the revolution of cottonocracy two centuries ago. If China is afraid of just like what you said the cost being too expensive, then China will be truly stuck in the middle-income trap.
 
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The emerging Asian Economies will face it difficult to grow.

Same goes for Next 11.

India too will find it difficult to grow, but its already large economy with GDP of 2 Trillion Dollars and there are other factors on its side , so it will find it relatively easier to grow.
 
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Robots still has their limit and robots are expensive. It will be even more expensive to fix it if they breaks down.

robots are going to get better. we are in the beginning stages of robotic revolution
 
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China, SK, Japan + ASEAN = an integrated manufacturing chain, from low end to high end = the biggest market
Let's wait and see if this region can cope with challenges posted in this thread!

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Pisa results 2012
Ranking Country name Maths, mean score Pisa 2012 Reading, mean score Pisa 2012 Science, mean score in PISA 2012
0 OECD average 494 496 501
1 Shanghai-China 613 570 580
2 Singapore 573 542 551
3 Hong Kong-China 561 545 555
4 Taiwan 560 523 523
5 S.Korea 554 536 538
6 Macau-China 538 509 521
7 Japan 536 538 547
8 Liechtenstein 535 516 525
9 Switzerland 531 509 515
10 Netherlands 523 511 522
11 Estonia 521 516 541
12 Finland 519 524 545
13 Canada 518 523 525
14 Poland 518 518 526
15 Belgium 515 509 505
16 Germany 514 508 524
17 Vietnam 511 508 528
18 Austria 506 490 506
19 Australia 504 512 521
20 Ireland 501 523 522
21 Slovenia 501 481 514
22 Denmark 500 496 498
23 New Zealand 500 512 516
24 Czech Republic 499 493 508
25 France 495 505 499
26 UK 494 499 514
27 Iceland 493 483 478
28 Latvia 491 489 502
29 Luxembourg 490 488 491
30 Norway 489 504 495
31 Portugal 487 488 489
32 Italy 485 490 494
33 Spain 484 488 496
34 Russian Federation 482 475 486
35 Slovak Republic 482 463 471
36 USA 481 498 497
37 Lithuania 479 477 496
38 Sweden 478 483 485
39 Hungary 477 488 494
40 Croatia 471 485 491
41 Israel 466 486 470
42 Greece 453 477 467
43 Serbia 449 446 445
44 Turkey 448 475 463
45 Romania 445 438 439
46 Cyprus 440 449 438
47 Bulgaria 439 436 446
48 UAE 434 442 448
49 Kazakhstan 432 393 425
50 Thailand 427 441 444
51 Chile 423 441 445
52 Malaysia 421 398 420
53 Mexico 413 424 415
54 Montenegro 410 422 410
55 Uruguay 409 411 416
56 Costa Rica 407 441 429
57 Albania 394 394 397
58 Brazil 391 410 405
59 Argentina 388 396 406
60 Tunisia 388 404 398
61 Jordan 386 399 409
62 Colombia 376 403 399
63 Qatar 376 388 384
64 Indonesia 375 396 382
65 Peru 368 384 373

I agree that ASEAN will hit the ceiling soon except for Vietnam and Singapore. Other than those two countries, I don't see them having the capacity to go beyond low end manufacturing. Malaysia already miss its chances, opportunity do not come knocking twice.

I'm looking foward to PISA 2015 results, our destiny hinges on being able to generate talents and well educated workforce.
 
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Pisa results 2012
Ranking Country name Maths, mean score Pisa 2012 Reading, mean score Pisa 2012 Science, mean score in PISA 2012
0 OECD average 494 496 501
1 Shanghai-China 613 570 580
2 Singapore 573 542 551
3 Hong Kong-China 561 545 555
4 Taiwan 560 523 523
5 S.Korea 554 536 538
6 Macau-China 538 509 521
7 Japan 536 538 547
8 Liechtenstein 535 516 525
9 Switzerland 531 509 515
10 Netherlands 523 511 522
11 Estonia 521 516 541
12 Finland 519 524 545
13 Canada 518 523 525
14 Poland 518 518 526
15 Belgium 515 509 505
16 Germany 514 508 524
17 Vietnam 511 508 528
18 Austria 506 490 506
19 Australia 504 512 521
20 Ireland 501 523 522
21 Slovenia 501 481 514
22 Denmark 500 496 498
23 New Zealand 500 512 516
24 Czech Republic 499 493 508
25 France 495 505 499
26 UK 494 499 514
27 Iceland 493 483 478
28 Latvia 491 489 502
29 Luxembourg 490 488 491
30 Norway 489 504 495
31 Portugal 487 488 489
32 Italy 485 490 494
33 Spain 484 488 496
34 Russian Federation 482 475 486
35 Slovak Republic 482 463 471
36 USA 481 498 497
37 Lithuania 479 477 496
38 Sweden 478 483 485
39 Hungary 477 488 494
40 Croatia 471 485 491
41 Israel 466 486 470
42 Greece 453 477 467
43 Serbia 449 446 445
44 Turkey 448 475 463
45 Romania 445 438 439
46 Cyprus 440 449 438
47 Bulgaria 439 436 446
48 UAE 434 442 448
49 Kazakhstan 432 393 425
50 Thailand 427 441 444
51 Chile 423 441 445
52 Malaysia 421 398 420
53 Mexico 413 424 415
54 Montenegro 410 422 410
55 Uruguay 409 411 416
56 Costa Rica 407 441 429
57 Albania 394 394 397
58 Brazil 391 410 405
59 Argentina 388 396 406
60 Tunisia 388 404 398
61 Jordan 386 399 409
62 Colombia 376 403 399
63 Qatar 376 388 384
64 Indonesia 375 396 382
65 Peru 368 384 373

I agree that ASEAN will hit the ceiling soon except for Vietnam and Singapore. Other than those two countries, I don't see them having the capacity to go beyond low end manufacturing. Malaysia already miss its chances, opportunity do not come knocking twice.

I'm looking foward to PISA 2015 results, our destiny hinges on being able to generate talents and well educated workforce.
I don't mean ASEAN will have a lot of high-end manufacturing, but ASEAN+East Asia+Australia is an integrated region, providing resources, low-end industry, high-end industry and innovation. Concerning manufacturing, Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand are top3 in ASEAN.
 
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I tend to agree with the assessment that the industrialization/export path to development is closing or closed. This topic has been brought up on PDF before:

The End of Chinese Manufacturing and Rebirth of U.S. Industry

Delhi’s tortoise limbers up to Beijing’s hare | Page 6

A Chinese business model for the Internet age | Page 2

It's painful that other developing countries will be deprived of this relatively easy and well-trodden path, but another development model will certainly be developed. After all, we produce to consume, so if all of the advanced economies with their efficient robotics have a lock on manufacturing, to whom will they export, if the rest of the world isn't growing (incidentally, the very problem that China is running into right now)?

The difference this time is that whereas the US and Europe embrace ideas like competitive advantage and the profit motive, and therefore offshored production in order to maximize both, China has weaponized manufacturing and sees it as a strategic industry (not just automobiles and planes, but all of manufacturing--hence the obsession of several Chinese users here with "manufacturing value added"), so China will be unlikely to do for others what the US and Europe did for China.
 
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I don't mean ASEAN will have a lot of high-end manufacturing, but ASEAN+East Asia+Australia is an integrated region, providing resources, low-end industry, high-end industry and innovation. Concerning manufacturing, Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand are top3 in ASEAN.
Low end manufacturing which accounts for the bulk of employment is going to get crush by automation. Then where do the workers go? Become like Greece and hire them into civil servants and more social welfare to make the population unaware of the situation? Malaysia is heading down that path. There is no reason to open factories in Malaysia, as we import labor at a premium. Maybe latex and palm oil related industry might be lucrative, otherwise there isn't much reason to invest in Malaysia. But then it isn't China fault, because eventually everybody will do the same thing, and won't be profitable anymore.
 
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I tend to agree with the assessment that the industrialization/export path to development is closing or closed. This topic has been brought up on PDF before:

The End of Chinese Manufacturing and Rebirth of U.S. Industry

Delhi’s tortoise limbers up to Beijing’s hare | Page 6

A Chinese business model for the Internet age | Page 2

It's painful that other developing countries will be deprived of this relatively easy and well-trodden path, but another development model will certainly be developed. After all, we produce to consume, so if all of the advanced economies with their efficient robotics have a lock on manufacturing, to whom will they export, if the rest of the world isn't growing (incidentally, the very problem that China is running into right now)?

The difference this time is that whereas the US and Europe embrace ideas like competitive advantage and the profit motive, and therefore offshored production in order to maximize both, China has weaponized manufacturing and sees it as a strategic industry (not just automobiles and planes, but all of manufacturing--hence the obsession of several Chinese users here with "manufacturing value added"), so China will be unlikely to do for others what the US and Europe did for China.
Do u refer to Ili Pika about manufacturing?;)
 
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