Ashkenazi Jews descend from 350 people, scientists say

[A1Kaid]

Ashkenazi Jews descend from 350 people, scientists say

By Ruth Schuster 02:01 10.09.14

Geneticists have found serial bottlenecks in European Jews’ history and postulate that today’s community is just 600 to 800 years old.

There may be no such thing as a Jewish gene, but communities can definitely have defining characteristics, and one such community is Jews with roots in central and eastern Europe.

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And yet Ashkenazi Jews claim their ancestors come from "Israel". That is blatant Ashkenazi propaganda, Ashkenazi Jews at least vast majority of them are not descended from Palestinian Jews but from Eurasian people that converted to Judaism (e.g Khazars).

 

[Dubious]

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And yet Ashkenazi Jews claim their ancestors come from "Israel". That is blatant Ashkenazi propaganda, Ashkenazi Jews at least vast majority of them are not descended from Palestinian Jews but from Eurasian people that converted to Judaism (e.g Khazars).

This research has been dragging a while....coz funds suddenly always get cut off....and sometimes large chunks come in to prove the ownership of the land

 

[The Sultan Erdogan]

@Solomon2 We need you here.

What you say?

 

[Charon 2]

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And yet Ashkenazi Jews claim their ancestors come from "Israel". That is blatant Ashkenazi propaganda, Ashkenazi Jews at least vast majority of them are not descended from Palestinian Jews but from Eurasian people that converted to Judaism (e.g Khazars).

Ashkenazi Jews are genetically a mixture of Middle Eastern and European peoples and the Khazar myth is already rejected by genetical tests

In 2013, the results of the largest genetic study on Jews released by the Wayne State University found that Ashkenazi, North African, and Sephardi Jews shared substantial genetic ancestry, that they derive from Middle Eastern and European populations and found no detectable Khazar genetic origins.[79]

According to Jon Entine, historians and scientists believe the Khazarian theory should more accurately be called a myth.[80]The theory, which claims that today's Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of Khazar converts to Judaism, is popular on Internet anti-Semitic websites.[81] A 2013 study of Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA found no significant evidence of Khazar contribution to the Ashkenazi Jewish DNA, as would be predicted by the Khazar hypothesis[82] and although there is no historical or DNA evidence to support the Khazar idea, Alan Unterman maintains that it is still popular in some Arab states.[83]

The strong claim that Ashkenazis as a whole take their origin from Khazars has been widely criticized as there is no direct evidence to support it.[84][85] In addition, Ashkenazi Jews have been found to have a strong DNA connection to Israelites and the Middle East,[86] sharing many common genes with other Jews from some 3000 years ago.,[87][88] therefore it "does not support this [Khazar conversion] idea[89]

 

[Solomon2]

@Solomon2 We need you here.
What you say?

I find such research interesting and of course it needs to be confirmed. But outside of the Jewish community why would other people here be interested?

 

[The Sultan Erdogan]

I find such research interesting and of course it needs to be confirmed. But outside of the Jewish community why would other people here be interested?

It give yet another evidence for the fact that Jews weren't/aren't indigenous to Palestinian land..and they (Achkenazi Jews) are/were European peoples instead of coming from Palestine.

 

[Solomon2]

It give yet another evidence for the fact that Jews weren't/aren't indigenous to Palestinian land.

How do you figure that?

 

[500]

And yet Ashkenazi Jews claim their ancestors come from "Israel". That is blatant Ashkenazi propaganda

LOL. You scream without even reading the article:

An analysis of the gene database shows that the original Ashkenazi Jews were about half European and half Middle Eastern. They lived in the medieval era, about 600 to 800 years ago, according to the analysis – and numbered just 350 or so people.

“Our analysis shows that Ashkenazi Jewish medieval founders were ethnically admixed, with origins in Europe and in the Middle East, roughly in equal parts,” said Shai Carmi, a post-doctoral scientist who works with Pe’er and conducted the analysis. “[The] data are more comprehensive than what was previously available, and we believe the data settle the dispute regarding European and Middle Eastern ancestry in Ashkenazi Jews.”

 

[A1Kaid]

LOL. You scream without even reading an article:

An analysis of the gene database shows that the original Ashkenazi Jews were about half European and half Middle Eastern. They lived in the medieval era, about 600 to 800 years ago, according to the analysis – and numbered just 350 or so people.

“Our analysis shows that Ashkenazi Jewish medieval founders were ethnically admixed, with origins in Europe and in the Middle East, roughly in equal parts,” said Shai Carmi, a post-doctoral scientist who works with Pe’er and conducted the analysis. “[The] data are more comprehensive than what was previously available, and we believe the data settle the dispute regarding European and Middle Eastern ancestry in Ashkenazi Jews.”

Did you read the date 600-800 years ago, that would mean Jews not from Palestine as there wasn't a Jewish population of any substantial figure during that time frame in Palestine, it was virtually all Muslim. ME can mean Morocco, Iraq, or Turkey. Though these Ashkenazi Jews have lived in Europe/Eurasia for centuries and have no real lineage to Palestine.

 

[ozzy22]

LOL. You scream without even reading an article:

An analysis of the gene database shows that the original Ashkenazi Jews were about half European and half Middle Eastern. They lived in the medieval era, about 600 to 800 years ago, according to the analysis – and numbered just 350 or so people.

“Our analysis shows that Ashkenazi Jewish medieval founders were ethnically admixed, with origins in Europe and in the Middle East, roughly in equal parts,” said Shai Carmi, a post-doctoral scientist who works with Pe’er and conducted the analysis. “[The] data are more comprehensive than what was previously available, and we believe the data settle the dispute regarding European and Middle Eastern ancestry in Ashkenazi Jews.”

It says the original Ashkenazi were half Middle Eastern, I doubt that’s the case now especially when you consider that they have lived in Europe for 600 to 800 years.

 

[A1Kaid]

Russian archaeologists said Wednesday that they had found the long-lost capital of the Khazar kingdom in southern Russia, a breakthrough for research on the ancient Jewish state.

AFP
Published: 09.05.08, 07:24 / Israel Jewish Scene


"This is a hugely important discovery," expedition organizer Dmitry Vasilyev, of the Astrakhan State University, told AFP after returning from excavations near the village of Samosdelka, just north of the Caspian Sea.

"We can now shed light on one of the most intriguing mysteries of that period – how the Khazars actually lived. We know very little about the Khazars – about their traditions, their funerary rites, their culture," he said.

The city was the capital of the Khazars, semi-nomadic Turkic peoples who adopted Judaism as a state religion, from between the eighth and the 10th centuries, when it was captured and sacked by the rulers of ancient Russia.

At its height, the Khazar state and its tributaries controlled much of what is now southern Russia, western Kazakhstan, eastern Ukraine, Azerbaijan and large parts of Russia's North Caucasus region.

The capital is referred to as Itil in Arab chronicles, but Vasilyev said the word may actually have been used to refer to the Volga River on which the city was founded or to the surrounding river delta region.

Itil was said to be a multi-ethnic place with houses of worship and judges for Christians, Jews, Muslims and pagans. Its remains have until now never been identified and were said to have been washed away by the Caspian Sea.

Source: Russian archaeologists find long-lost Jewish capital - Israel Jewish Scene, Ynetnews

 

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Did you read the date 600-800 years ago, that would mean Jews not from Palestine as there wasn't a Jewish population of any substantial figure during that time frame in Palestine, it was virtually all Muslim. ME can mean Morocco, Iraq, or Turkey.

Jewish presence in Palestine never ceased. Also their population started growing 600-800 years ago that does not mean they lived there before. Finally Its not necessary to come directly from Palestine to Europe. People can make several migrations.

Khazar theory says that Ashkenazi Jews have Asian origin, but this research says the opposite: Jews are half Middle Eastern and half European, without anything Asian. You jumped without reading the article very foolish behavior.

 

[A1Kaid]

Jewish presence in Palestine never ceased. Also their population started growing 600-800 years ago that does not mean they lived there before. Finally Its not necessary to come directly from Palestine to Europe. People can make several migrations.

Khazar theory says that Ashkenazi Jews have Asian origin, but this research says the opposite: Jews are half Middle Eastern and half European, without anything Asian. You jumped without reading the article very foolish behavior.

Jewish presence in Palestine never ceased.

You could argue there could have been a few individual families, but like I said Palestine was virtually all Muslim for the past centuries. Certainly no Jewish population there existed that was substantial enough to give offspring to Ashkenazi Jews or had contact with many Ashkenazi Jews.

Khazar isn't even a theory as there are archaeological evidence of the Khazar people and kingdom. Jews of today (Ashkenazi) are not of Palestinian lineage they are of mostly eastern Euro-mix lineage hence many have Caucasian features, you think ancient Jews look anything like Ashkenazi Jews of today?

 

[Solomon2]

^^^^^
So the story is important to Muslims because whether it's faking history or misinterpreting science the goal is always to dispossess Jews.

How can you write this stuff and not feel shame, @A1Kaid?

 

[ozzy22]

^^^^^
So the story is important to Muslims because whether it's faking history or misinterpreting science the goal is always to dispossess Jews.

How can you write this stuff and not feel shame, @A1Kaid?

Do you ever feel shame when posting patronizing/hateful articles about Muslims?