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ASEAN summit on Myanmar to be held in Jakarta: Brunei and Malaysia

I know that there is no minority issues there and to be hoenst there is only minority issues in few countries.

Modern vietnamese is 80% similar to chinese language? Mandarin? or Hong Kong version

Mainly S and X sound in Chinese change to T in Vietnamese.

Sino-Vietnamese phonetic a mixture a Cantonese and Hokkien, very little mandarin.

If one goes through that and a few important Khmer based lexicon, a Chinese and Vietnamese can communicate at daily working level, though not a professional level in one months.
 
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Mainly S and X sound in Chinese change to T in Vietnamese.

Sino-Vietnamese phonetic a mixture a Cantonese and Hokkien, very little mandarin.

If one goes through that and a few important Khmer based lexicon, a Chinese and Vietnamese can communicate at daily working level, though not a professional level in one months.

One of my best friends Nam we grew up together his Vietnamese but honestly I don't know anything about his country. We were pro-gamers together for almost 10 years now but we just hang out, eat and speak games. I honestly never asked about his country, language, culture etc etc. I know his vietnamese and he knows my ethinicity but nothing more. This is how people in the west are behaving nowadays we have no attachement with our background or maybe we are just so much caught up in life and the gaming industry.

But I had no idea that Vietnamese language has cantonese, hokkien and little Mandarin mix. I need to do more research
 
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One of my best friends Nam we grew up together his Vietnamese but honestly I don't know anything about his country. We were pro-gamers together for almost 10 years now but we just hang out, eat and speak games. I honestly never asked about his country, language, culture etc etc. I know his vietnamese and he knows my ethinicity but nothing more. This is how people in the west are behaving nowadays we have no attachement with our background or maybe we are just so much caught up in life and the gaming industry.

But I had no idea that Vietnamese language has cantonese, hokkien and little Mandarin mix. I need to do more research
Vnese languages use alot Cnese words, such as
. wear face mask CN: Dài kǒuzhào. VN Đeo khẩu trang

.free face mask CN kǒuzhào Miǎnfèi. VN khẩu trang miễn phí

@Song Hong remembered you created some thread abt VN Culture and language, pls advise some threads, so we don't have to keep going off topic here :laugh:

Or u can read my thread discussing abt Confucian.

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The meeting ended with just a statement about ending violence. Not even specifically asking the military Junta to end violence. The protesters who had wild hopes that ASEAN will bring about regime change has to be sorely disappointed. I see two ways this will resolve from this point on.

1. The EOAs are unable to organize into an effective federal army. The protests end with a whimper and the Junta remains in power.

2. Armed rebellion with some EOAs joining to form a federal army. With the number of new recruits joining the EOAs, they can put up some resistance in the north and east where there will be a bloody war. However, I don't see the federal army having the ability to challenge the junta in the central plains. The Junta remains in power in the major cities with the EOA areas being contested similar to Afghanistan.

@Indos

 
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The meeting ended with just a statement about ending violence. Not even specifically asking the military Junta to end violence. The protesters who had wild hopes that ASEAN will bring about regime change has to be sorely disappointed. I see two ways this will resolve from this point on.

1. The EOAs are unable to organize into an effective federal army. The protests end with a whimper and the Junta remains in power.

2. Armed rebellion with some EOAs joining to form a federal army. With the number of new recruits joining the EOAs, they can put up some resistance in the north and east where there will be a bloody war. However, I don't see the federal army having the ability to challenge the junta in the central plains. The Junta remains in power in the major cities with the EOA areas being contested similar to Afghanistan.

@Indos


Aung san suu Kyi and gangs are motivated by greed money and power and nothing else. They won't stay a second inside tropical Forrest full of mosquitoes and snake to organize guerrilla.

Tatmadaw despite all accusations against them is quite a well organized fighting force.

No chance for suu Kyi and their wet dream of arm insurgency. Mao can suu Kyi cant
 
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The meeting ended with just a statement about ending violence. Not even specifically asking the military Junta to end violence. The protesters who had wild hopes that ASEAN will bring about regime change has to be sorely disappointed. I see two ways this will resolve from this point on.

1. The EOAs are unable to organize into an effective federal army. The protests end with a whimper and the Junta remains in power.

2. Armed rebellion with some EOAs joining to form a federal army. With the number of new recruits joining the EOAs, they can put up some resistance in the north and east where there will be a bloody war. However, I don't see the federal army having the ability to challenge the junta in the central plains. The Junta remains in power in the major cities with the EOA areas being contested similar to Afghanistan.

@Indos


Western media just want to spin it, and USA upset they are not included in the meeting, and you can see no coverage about the event from CNN International.

Not just ending violence and there are others demand as well like releasing political prisoners , returning into democracy and set up ASEAN envoy into the country. It is clear that military that do the violence so the statement is enough and every body know it is directed to them.


The meeting ended with just a statement about ending violence. Not even specifically asking the military Junta to end violence. The protesters who had wild hopes that ASEAN will bring about regime change has to be sorely disappointed. I see two ways this will resolve from this point on.

1. The EOAs are unable to organize into an effective federal army. The protests end with a whimper and the Junta remains in power.

2. Armed rebellion with some EOAs joining to form a federal army. With the number of new recruits joining the EOAs, they can put up some resistance in the north and east where there will be a bloody war. However, I don't see the federal army having the ability to challenge the junta in the central plains. The Junta remains in power in the major cities with the EOA areas being contested similar to Afghanistan.

@Indos


Just listen to Indonesian analyst so you can understand the approach of ASEAN leaders

 
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Will be symbolic politics.
What can Asean do? I am afraid nothing.
China is against any sanction against Burma. ASEAN itself has many military regimes. Many Asean countries have put massive money there. Will be a dangerous precedent if we support sanctions Nobody wants to end up losing everything.
 
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The meeting ended with just a statement about ending violence. Not even specifically asking the military Junta to end violence. The protesters who had wild hopes that ASEAN will bring about regime change has to be sorely disappointed. I see two ways this will resolve from this point on.

1. The EOAs are unable to organize into an effective federal army. The protests end with a whimper and the Junta remains in power.

2. Armed rebellion with some EOAs joining to form a federal army. With the number of new recruits joining the EOAs, they can put up some resistance in the north and east where there will be a bloody war. However, I don't see the federal army having the ability to challenge the junta in the central plains. The Junta remains in power in the major cities with the EOA areas being contested similar to Afghanistan.

@Indos

Just need few days to wipe out the military junta like Pol Pot in Cambodia despite they got huge support from CN.

Just not the right time to do yet :cool:
 
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Aung san suu Kyi and gangs are motivated by greed money and power and nothing else. They won't stay a second inside tropical Forrest full of mosquitoes and snake to organize guerrilla.

Tatmadaw despite all accusations against them is quite a well organized fighting force.

No chance for suu Kyi and their wet dream of arm insurgency. Mao can suu Kyi cant
Suu Kyi will probably stay in house arrest for the rest of her life
Will be symbolic politics.
What can Asean do? I am afraid nothing.
China is against any sanction against Burma. ASEAN itself has many military regimes. Many Asean countries have put massive money there. Will be a dangerous precedent if we support sanctions Nobody wants to end up losing everything.
China will support ASEAN on Myanmar even if it comes to sanctions. China don't have any issues with sanctions, but China won't allow the US and western countries calling the shots.
 
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ASEAN's first and foremost goal is to end the violence, prevent the situation from escalating a la Syria, Libya, Yemen... and to prevent foreign powers from intervening in Myanmar...

Restoring democracy etc is secondary goals and will only follow after some sort of peace and stability has been restored.. After all Thailand is also governed by a military junta and they are doing just fine... So getting the Junta to agree to stop the violence is a critical first step in the right direction..

I believe restoring democracy is still a big possibility there, I just don't see it happening with Aung San Su Kyi still involved in politics.. Tatmadaw will never allow it now.. Best scenario probably if Su Kyi resigned from political life and self exile somewhere... and later the Junta would hold elections without Su Kyi..
 
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Suu Kyi will probably stay in house arrest for the rest of her life

China will support ASEAN on Myanmar even if it comes to sanctions. China don't have any issues with sanctions, but China won't allow the US and western countries calling the shots.
really? Will China support sanctions if coming from ASEAN? I don’t think Vietnam will go for that unless the military runs amok targeting our people that’s the red line.
 
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really? Will China support sanctions if coming from ASEAN? I don’t think Vietnam will go for that unless the military runs amok targeting our people that’s the red line.
China had good relations with the NLD. What China wants is stability and keeping the country from being an US puppet.
 
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For Myanmar pro democracy leader:

We are not your servant, who do you think you are ???

If you dont appreciate our effort, we would better let you short out your own problem and face military junta alone......
 
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The Interpreter
Indonesia raises ASEAN’s
bar on Myanmar

BEN BLAND
President Joko Widodo had nothing to
gain domestically in calling a special
summit. But in not failing, he succeeded.
Indonesia’s President Joko Widodo (centre) at a summit on the Myanmar crisis, Jakarta, 24 April 2021 (Indonesian Presidential Secreteriat/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)


Indonesia’s President Joko Widodo (centre) at a summit on the Myanmar crisis, Jakarta, 24 April 2021 (Indonesian Presidential Secreteriat/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)
Published 26 Apr 2021 13:00   0 Comments
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For much of his presidency, Indonesia’s Joko Widodo has taken a mercantilist view of foreign policy, pushing the country’s diplomats to promote trade and investment while keeping their heads below the parapet on most thorny international issues. Indonesia’s inward-looking approach compounded the sense of drift afflicting the Association of Southeast Asian Nations at a time of rising geopolitical tensions.
So it was a welcome surprise to see Jokowi, as he is known, seizing the initiative on Myanmar, corralling fellow ASEAN leaders to meet at a special summit in Jakarta at the weekend. In the midst of the pandemic and Indonesia’s first recession since the Asian financial crisis, Jokowi had nothing to gain in domestic political terms from his call for action on Myanmar.
On the contrary, peacemaking usually makes leaders a target for enmity from all sides. And Jokowi risked attaching himself to failure if the summit ended in disarray, a not-unlikely outcome, given the divisions within ASEAN.
Brunei, the current chair of ASEAN, had previously decided to forego the traditional leaders’ meeting in the first half of the year because of its limited diplomatic capacity and concerns about travel during the pandemic. The other ASEAN members states that have spoken out strongly against the junta’s violence in Myanmar – Malaysia, the Philippines and Singapore – have likewise been emboldened (and shielded) by Indonesia’s leadership.
If the first rule of diplomacy is to talk, the summit was a good start. But the five-point consensus reached in Jakarta is neither a cause for triumphalism nor cynicism.
The key question now is whether the junta sticks to the five-point consensus, and what the rest of ASEAN can and will do to ensure this outcome.
It was imperative to get coup leader Min Aung Hlaing to agree to an immediate cessation of violence and a “constructive dialogue among all parties”, as well as granting access to a special ASEAN envoy. But ASEAN leaders could not agree on a call for all political prisoners to be freed. And, more importantly, there is no mechanism to ensure the that the perfidious and murderous Myanmar generals will adhere to this limited consensus.
Yet what more could realistically have been expected of ASEAN, given that more than half its members are authoritarian states with long lists of their own political prisoners?
Ultimately, Myanmar’s fate will largely be decided on the ground. The outside world lacks leverage over generals who have in the past been happy to isolate and impoverish their country.
But, thanks to the hard work of Jokowi and his foreign minister, Retno Marsudi, ASEAN has drawn a baseline to which Southeast Asian nations and other external actors can try to hold the junta. And it has raised the bar of expectations about ASEAN’s role. That is more significant than feel-good sanctions from the West, which have limited impact on the Myanmar military.
The key question now, as Retno has made clear, is whether the junta sticks to the five-point consensus, and what the rest of ASEAN can and will do to ensure this outcome. The chances of success are slim, which is exactly why Indonesia deserves credit for pushing ASEAN to try.
Rather than exalt ASEAN or lambast it – the default responses of many external commentators – the rest of the world needs to think about what they can do to support ASEAN’s efforts to bring peace and stability to Myanmar.

 
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