As India shines on list of wealthiest nations, Pakistan stands out for all wrong reasons

[My-Analogous]

I was talking about methodologies to gauge prosperity but i forgot CPC doesn't allow you to have logical discussions.

A decade ago china per capita gdp was what is India's now. You probably know our lives because you has lived most of your lives like us. And going by your logic chinese must be sucking americans off as they have 10 times your per capital wealth. Too bad you have to live in poor China. If you were born American you would have been 10 times richer.
I dont think CPC will be happy with your post demeaning China in front of literally every Western economy you like to make fun off. You should expect a fine, or atlest a downfall in your "social rating" by CPC.

Don't teach father how to make sons. They are far advance then you in any terms including economy. China give world mass production concept.

 

[Quibbler]

This is for feel-good credits. Comparing with China is a losing game and they know it...

They're even comparing India with us Bangladeshis.....

A nation of a billion plus with 160 million. No shame...

Given that India Pakistan and bangladesh had similar cultures, politics and starting line it makes much more sense to compare us 3 in per capita terms then comparing with China. But again only if people had the sense to give up their bias. I will be seriously happy if we can debate on flaw of methodology, statistics or any other logical shortcoming. Otherwise keep up your rant and don't quote me. Atleast dont expect me to reply.

Don't teach father how to make sons. They are far advance then you in any terms including economy. China give world mass production concept.

Wow what an informative post with no rhetoric at all and all hard facts. I am impressed.

 

[My-Analogous]

Given that India Pakistan and bangladesh had similar cultures, politics and starting line it makes much more sense to compare us 3 in per capita terms then comparing with China. But again only if people had the sense to give up their bias. I will be seriously happy if we can debate on flaw of methodology, statistics or any other logical shortcoming. Otherwise keep up your rant and don't quote me. Atleast dont expect me to reply.


Wow what an informative post with no rhetoric at all and all hard facts. I am impressed.

Give answers to above post first. Don't try to change subject. You insult my nation and my fellowman and i will show you your true face

 

[Quibbler]

Give answers to above post first. Don't try to change subject. You insult my nation and my fellowman and i will show you your true face

Maybe what a question is wasn't taught to you in school or college but just to educate you there was no question in your rant. It was what it was. A rant. Please don't quote me again. I have a policy of not replying to fools more than twice.

 

[beijingwalker]

I was talking about methodologies to gauge prosperity but i forgot CPC doesn't allow you to have logical discussions.

A decade ago china per capita gdp was what is India's now. You probably know our lives because you has lived most of your lives like us. And going by your logic chinese must be sucking americans off as they have 10 times your per capital wealth. Too bad you have to live in poor China. If you were born American you would have been 10 times richer.
I dont think CPC will be happy with your post demeaning China in front of literally every Western economy you like to make fun off. You should expect a fine, or atlest a downfall in your "social rating" by CPC.

Personal attack won't make your post look any better, it's not a shame to admit that China is a developing country ,we always know that. besides, the last time I checked US per capita GDP is 4 times of China's, where dd you get the number of 10 times? Are you talking about India and US?

 

[Quibbler]

Personal attack won't make your post look any better, it's not a shame to admit that China is a developing country ,we always know that. besides, the last time I checked US per capita GDP is 4 times of China's, where dd you get the number of 10 times? Are you talking about India and US?

First of i said per capita wealth . China has 4.28 times the population of USA and wealth 2.58 times less(please refer article). That translates to 11 times less per capita Income. Damn even more than 10. If you have difficulty following i can refer you to some arithmetic tutorials. And i wont do the math for you but even US per capita GDP is at least 8 times China s. I await your reply. Thanks.

 

[Rusty]

Given that India Pakistan and bangladesh had similar cultures, politics and starting line it makes much more sense to compare us 3 in per capita terms then comparing with China. But again only if people had the sense to give up their bias. I will be seriously happy if we can debate on flaw of methodology, statistics or any other logical shortcoming. Otherwise keep up your rant and don't quote me. Atleast dont expect me to reply.


Wow what an informative post with no rhetoric at all and all hard facts. I am impressed.

Objectively false.
We 3 don't have similar cultures, politics or starting line.
We don't eat dosas, bath in rivers as a form of worship, or are shaped by the cast system.
After partition, India got most of the pre partition resources (they were bigger so I don't have too much issue there). And, the British ruled over parts of India for almost 400 years where they only entered modern day Pakistan 100 years before partition.

So no, we are not the same and we didn't start from the same starting point.
Pakistan basically started from nothing as India got most of the resources.

 

[beijingwalker]

First of i said per capita wealth . China has 4.28 times the population of USA and wealth 2.58 times less(please refer article). That translates to 11 times less per capita Income. Damn even more than 10. If you have difficulty following i can refer you to some arithmetic tutorials. And i wont do the math for you but even US per capita GDP is at least 8 times China s. I await your reply. Thanks.

Here’s How Fast China’s Economy Is Catching Up to the U.S.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-us-vs-china-economy/

And China is a developing country, only after this year the GDP per capita will cross the threshhold of 10,000 dollars, unlike Indians, we think that's no shame to admit that. Year 2018 will be the first year that China surpasses the wrold per capita average.
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/...l-pass-world-per-person-averages-in-2019.html

 

[Quibbler]

Objectively false.
We 3 don't have similar cultures, politics or starting line.
We don't eat dosas, bath in rivers as a form of worship, or are shaped by the cast system.
After partition, India got most of the pre partition resources (they were bigger so I don't have too much issue there). And, the British ruled over parts of India for almost 400 years where they only entered modern day Pakistan 100 years before partition.

So no, we are not the same and we didn't start from the same starting point.
Pakistan basically started from nothing as India got most of the resources.

I disagree. I would have been very difficult to tell part all three countries at time of partition. And each country got almost equal per capita aggregate resources ( give or take 20 pc). Later you developed a taste for radical Islam and Jihad but that is part of the race. The starting line was similar, atleast much similar than China's who had a whole lot of totally different issues.

Here’s How Fast China’s Economy Is Catching Up to the U.S.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-us-vs-china-economy/

And China is a developing country, only after this year the GDP per capita will cross the threshhold of 10,000 dollars, unlike Indians, we think that's no shame to admit that. Year 2018 will be the first year that China surpasses the wrold per capita average.

So You told me its 4 times. I proved its 11 times. So you told "see how fast we a growing".I thought Chinese didn't to project into the future unlike the poor Indians.

Nobody is ashamed or proud of facts. It all out in the open. The fact that you have to say that you are not ashamed gives me a sense of inferiority complex in you that you are still 11 times poorer than the country you gladly bash.

FYI India is growing faster than China now. If China catches up fast, India will catch up faster. Just saying.

 

[beijingwalker]

Nobody is ashamed or proud of facts. It all out in the open. The fact that you have to say that you are not ashamed gives me a sense of inferiority complex in you that you are still 11 times poorer than the country you gladly bash.
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Can you read the whole thing, check the per capita number comparison in the link.

 

[Quibbler]

Can you read the whole thing, check the per capita number comparison in the link.

That is purchasing power. Different from nominal. India is a 10 Trillion $ economy by purchasing power. We would be first to brag if it was a useful measure.

 

[Bilal9]

I hate to do this to you. But https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/swac...80-doubling-coverage-from-start.550497/page-4. India is now 80 pc open defecation free and on track to be 99 percent free by septempber 2019.

While on the other hand https://tribune.com.pk/story/163248...pen-defecation-leaves-punjab-reeling-reeking/. Paksitan is only making slow progress and has already falle behind India.

I have to call Bullsh*t on this one, sorry.

As in most of Indian media, a lot of this 'news' has no basis. See below article on real picture in India on the ground in 2018. This is in one of the richest states in India, Maharashtra with a 55% open defecation rate. The situation in poorer states like Odisha, MP, Bihar etc. are far, far worse, bordering closer to 70%. You can't just throw money at a problem, it needs managed approach by NGO's to train latrine users - like we do in Bangladesh. And look at the pattern of dhokeybaaji and 'safai' in the green comments below. We train Indian NGO's all the time, but seems more action is necessary. Modi's Swachh Bharat program has literally gone to the toilets....And Bangladesh has been open defecation free since at least 2016.

Maharashtra: As brand new toilets stay shut, ODF status for Nandurbar only on paper

According to a 2012 survey conducted by the government, 50,25,369 (45 per cent) households in Maharashtra had access to toilets. In Nandurbar, 1.7 lakh households, both below and above the poverty line, were identified as having no toilets.

Written by Tabassum Barnagarwala | Nandurbar | Updated: April 20, 2018 7:57:07 pm

A toilet built under Swachh Bharat Mission remains unused in Nandurbar. (Express Photo by Prashant Nadkar)

Three months ago, the Dhadgaon Nagar Panchayat had approached Khemsing Pavara (33) to construct a toilet on his barren plot. Pavara was hesitant, as he was yet to construct a house on the plot. But the panchayat assured him Rs 17,000 for a toilet, and he gave in. Within a week of constructing the six-feet by six-feet toilet, with a door purchased for Rs 2,000, the brand new toilet seat and the iron door were stolen. The toilet has since been lying defunct. The family of four now walks 500 metres, as they have done for years, to an open ground to defecate.

Last week, when state Minister for Water Supply and Sanitation Babanrao Lonkar had felicitated Nandurbar district for being open defecation free (ODF), Pavara was listed as one of the beneficiaries of government aid. “Even my neighbour defecate in the open. Their toilet has no septic tank,” he told The Indian Express. Several villagers complain of poor quality of toilet construction, forcing them to keep the toilets locked, he added. On Wednesday, the state government had declared that rural areas have attained ODF status with the construction of 60.41 lakh toilets — worth Rs 4,079 crore — over the last three-and-a-half years. “The thought of 55 per cent households living in rural areas with no access to toilets was very disturbing,” Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis had said while maintaining that all resources and manpower were pooled to build the toilets.

As per government guidelines, ODF is defined as “no visible feaces in environment” and “safe technology for disposal of faeces”. Under Swachh Bharat Mission, the Maharashtra government had set a target to gain ODF status for rural areas by 2018. Government figures of 2017-18 stated that 22.5 lakh households were covered across Maharashtra for toilet construction and there was 100 per cent coverage in
rural areas.

According to the Union Ministry of Drinking Water and Sanitation, in Nandurbar, a tribal district, all households have toilets. District officials, however, claimed the actual coverage is 97 per cent. District records showed that 8,900 toilets are yet to be constructed in Nandurbar to cover the entire surveyed population. Pavara’s wife Meena said, “I don’t like going in the open. But we live in a rented room and the toilet here has no seat. There is just a hole in ground.”

Their two children, Roshni (4) and Rohan (2), do not usually wash their hands upon returning from the open air toilet. Nandurbar has the highest incidence of malnourishment in the state. A combined report of the World Health Organisation, Unicef and USAID in 65 countries, published in 2015, had found a direct co-relation between stunting among children and open defecation.

According to a 2012 survey conducted by the government, 50,25,369 (45 per cent) households in Maharashtra had access to toilets. In Nandurbar, 1.7 lakh households, both below and above the poverty line, were identified as having no toilets. Locals in Nandurbar claimed that officials have been in a hurry to declare the district ODF. In 2017-18, 81,770 households were covered for construction of toilets in Nandurbar, more than twice the number in the previous year. In 2016-17, 34,979 and in 2015-16, 26,131 households were provided with toilets, district records stated.

“Each beneficiary is paid Rs 12,000 per toilet with two soak pits,” said Nandurbar Zilla Parishad’s Deputy CEO (Water Supply and Sanitation) Sarika Bari. “In areas near the Narmada river, where transportation is difficult, people carried construction material manually on their shoulders.” However, in Chimalkhedi village, nestled in the hills near the Narmada, tribal Noorji Vasawe said only 25 toilets have been constructed for 150 families. “We have been demanding a toilet ever since the Swachh Bharat Mission started. But as no district officials come here, nobody knows that we have no toilets,” he added.

Vasawe and a few villagers have written to their block development officer for assistance in toilet construction. “There is no road leading to our village. Construction material will have to be carried by boat. Villagers can’t do it by themselves,” he said. In Sonkhurda village of Nandurbar, Saising Patle has had a toilet for three months but does not use it. “There is no water. The construction is poor… there is no outlet. This toilet will not stand even for a year,” Patle said. There are six members in his family, who all believe that toilet only occupies precious space. “There are 200 toilets constructed in our village, all of poor quality,” Patle said.

In Nandurbar, which has the highest mortality rate due to malnutrition in the state, in December 2017 alone, among the 1.2 lakh children aged below six who were surveyed, 35,825 were found malnourished. Stunting, in which children’s height does not grow according to age, was also observed extensively. “Stunting, gastrointestinal infections and diarrhoea are inter-related. When a child gets infective diarrhoea repeatedly, it means his hygiene, sanitation and water supply are not good. Stunting is a form of chronic malnutrition, and open defecation has direct impact on it,” said health expert Dr Mridula Phadke.

There may not be enough money in villages. But they can eat well and live in a small house. India also has a scheme called MNREGA which guarantees every family an income of at least 100Rs(~1.5$) per day. This is enough for food, electricity, government schooling.

Please see article above for Maharashtra - which is one of the richest Indian states.

In the US, a poor guy would live on the streets or in trailers. In India, we have slums. A large migrant population turns into large slums.
The question is, why should these folk be given free money/accommodation by the government.

Incredibly elitist of you to pooh pooh these people when all they need is proper jobs and housing. Indian town planners have to own up to the mismanagement. Not surprising when you have Two million applying for 300 clerical jobs which is still going on today. And I'm talking educated folks not kamwaali bais and rickshaw pullers!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34276253

 

[beijingwalker]

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FYI India is growing faster than China now. If China catches up fast, India will catch up faster. Just saying.

What's the driving force? Trade, manufacturing, innovation, infrastructure? You have to have an engine to lead your economy.

 

[Papa Dragon]

Objectively false.
We 3 don't have similar cultures, politics or starting line.
We don't eat dosas, bath in rivers as a form of worship, or are shaped by the cast system.
After partition, India got most of the pre partition resources (they were bigger so I don't have too much issue there). And, the British ruled over parts of India for almost 400 years where they only entered modern day Pakistan 100 years before partition.

So no, we are not the same and we didn't start from the same starting point.
Pakistan basically started from nothing as India got most of the resources.

Even though religiously the three countries differ, culturally there are a lot of similarities. B'deshis are exactly like the people in West Bengal and Pakistanis are very much like the Indian states bordering you. I'm a South Indian and it is us whom you guys can't really associate with.

Regarding the allocation of resources, the distribution was proportionate to the size of the country and so were the allocation of economic centers. While Pak got Lahore and Karachi, India got Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata while Delhi is only an administrative capital and isn't an economic heavyweight.

 

[Quibbler]

What's the driving force? Trade, manufacturing, innovation, infrastructure? You have to have an engine to lead your economy.

Huge Services growth, huge infra, small manufacturing uptick and medium agri growth.