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Arundhati Roy Says ‘Kashmir should get Azadi from bhookhe-nange Hindustan’

and Pakistan didnt took a single penny in aid from the same Bhooka Nanga Hindustan. :pakistan:

GB

Let us keep that aid aspect out of discussion please, what we did was our duty as humans, nothing special.
 
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“Bhooka nanga Hindustan; Jaan se pyaara Pakistan.” (Starving and tattered India we reject; Pakistan - land of our dreams - we embrace.)

DAWN.COM | Columnists | Kashmir?s struggle is just one of many fighting Indian injustices


A particularly disturbing slogan heard in the Kashmir Valley, where its young school-goers and old patriarchs, angry women and restive youth are courageously defying Indian rule, is enough to put off any sensitive sympathiser. “Bhooka nanga Hindustan; Jaan se pyaara Pakistan.” (Starving and tattered India we reject; Pakistan - land of our dreams - we embrace.)

This slogan conveys acute political bankruptcy in a region which has lived with naked military repression for more than 20 years. I’m sure any Pakistani with a sense of justice would also be uncomfortable with the warped mindset the slogan betrays.

That Kashmir is reeling under Indian occupation is not a secret. That Pakistan has played a questionable role there is also well known. Yet, for Kashmiris to see their struggle as part of the many battles being waged by the poorest of the poor against the Indian state’s multi-pronged injustices against its own people, would not compromise or be a contradiction in Kashmir’s struggle for self-determination.

The simple question for Kashmiris to ask themselves is, isn’t the same state that has killed 60 young Kashmiris in three months, also responsible for tens of thousands of suicides by indebted farmers in India? Does Sharmila Irom, who is fighting to repeal the law that gives unbridled powers to security forces in her Manipur state have no relevance for the same struggle in Kashmir?

The tribespeople of Chhatisgarh, Orissa, Jharkhand and West Bengal are fighting for their fundamental rights. One of their demands is that they not be evicted from their homes to accommodate corporate land grab. Is this not what Kashmiri Pandits suffered at the hands of the Indian state as well as non-state actors in their homeland without any redress from successive Indian governments that claim to represent them?

Indian Home Minister P. Chidambaram and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh have often cajoled dissident groups, including the banned Maoists, to come for talks within the constitutional framework. Why can’t the affected groups simultaneously expose the insincerity of the Indian state? To take just one example, the preamble of the Indian constitution describes the nation as a socialist and secular republic.

Socialism is thus the law of the land. Which Indian government, including the one led by Chidambaram-Singh duo, has come anywhere close to keeping the promise of socialism? Just the opposite. Both have callously opened the country to the depredations of private capital.

I met a Kashmiri separatist a few days after the Babri masjid was razed in Ayodhya. He happened to be the only senior enough leader to be still dodging the police in Srinagar. The rest were in jail. He told me he didn’t care for the plight of Indian Muslims in the wake of the Ayodhya outrage. “They have never helped the Kashmiris, so why should we bother with them?”

The explanation for his aloofness was ironical. How can we forget the senior Indian minister telling journalists during the Agra summit that if Kashmir was to be given to Pakistan on the basis of religious claims, should not the Indian Muslims then be packed off in special trains to Pakistan? Kashmiris and Indian Muslims may see themselves as separate entities with separate causes. But their detractors will always see them as one headache. Check this out with Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi who knows Indian Muslims as children of Mian Musharraf.

I put the question to some Kashmiri intellectuals in Delhi recently. I asked them how was it that a movement with international ramifications and wide support among a number of Muslim states could be so self-absorbed that it didn’t have a policy much less a worldview about other people’s sufferings. Kashmiris did speak up once for the Palestinians, but now it seems they do not have the energy for even that. On the other hand, there is no dearth of seemingly unrelated groups that lend them moral support. A recent rally in Canada of Sikhs and Kashmiri activists, who protested against India’s brutality in the Valley, could be a case in point. A few weeks ago an obscure Tamil group in India issued a statement in support of Kashmiris. Do the Kashmiris want to know who the members of the Tamil group are?

There is something about this that reminds me of an interaction I once had with Gen Pervez Musharraf in Islamabad. He had just returned from a visit to Colombo where his government was giving military and political support to the government against Tamil rebels. I said how was the Tamil struggle any different from the Kashmiri movement since both stemmed from the denial of the right to self-determination. Gen Musharraf said he didn’t want to comment on another country’s internal matter. So he too chose the injustice, which suited him most.

Vidya Subrahmaniam of The Hindu has done an interesting comparison of three major pogroms in India, each fighting its own battle without getting involved with the sorrows of each other.

The Orissa violence, in which Hindu-Adivasis targeted Dalit Christians, was undoubtedly smaller in scale compared to Gujarat 2002 and Delhi 1984. “Despite…variations, the three pogroms could have been written, produced and directed by a single satanic mind, judging by the astonishing similarity in the detail and sequence of events and the stunning brutality of the crimes committed,” says Subrahmaniam.

In his November 2002 foreword to the report of the Concerned Citizens Tribunal, which collected 2,094 oral and written testimonies from Gujarat’s victim-survivors as well as human rights groups, Justice V.R. Krishna Iyer said: “The gravamen of this pogrom-like operation was that the administration reversed its constitutional role, and by omission and commission, engineered the loot, ravishment and murder which was methodically perpetrated through planned process …”

Eight years later, as Subrahmaniam notes, the jury at the Kandhamal Tribunal had similar words to say: “The jury records its shock and deep concern for the heinous and brutal manner in which the members of the Christian community were killed, dismembered, sexually assaulted and tortured … There was rampant and systematic looting and destruction of houses and places of worship and means of livelihood … The jury is further convinced that the communal violence in Kandhamal was the consequence of a subversion of constitutional governance in which state agents were complicit.”

“When, in the aftermath of Indira Gandhi’s 1984 assassination, thousands of Sikhs were massacred on the streets of Delhi, the commonly-held view was that it was an aberration brought about by an extraordinary situation. Comparisons were made with the 1947 Partition riots but few could have known at that time that the clinically planned and executed anti-Sikh pogrom would serve as a model for two more episodes of mass aggression against minorities,” The Hindu analysis said.

India has spawned a coalition of injustices. For those in the Kashmiri resistance to show solidarity with those fighting the same bloated, militarised state that they are, will not compromise their goal. It would only deepen their vision and sharpen their ideas of what kind of ‘azadi’ they are fighting f
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and Pakistan didnt took a single penny in aid from the same Bhooka Nanga Hindustan.

GB

:rofl: Gharibnawaz lolzz there are dozen threads on that topic so go there and discuss it. The Indians were begging us to have the aid lolzz

anyway thats an off topic here.


A particularly disturbing slogan heard in the Kashmir Valley, where its young school-goers and old patriarchs, angry women and restive youth are courageously defying Indian rule, is enough to put off any sensitive sympathiser. “Bhooka nanga Hindustan; Jaan se pyaara Pakistan.” (Starving and tattered India we reject; Pakistan - land of our dreams - we embrace.)

DAWN.COM | Columnists | Kashmir?s struggle is just one of many fighting Indian injustices
 
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“Bhooka nanga Hindustan; Jaan se pyaara Pakistan.” (Starving and tattered India we reject; Pakistan - land of our dreams - we embrace.)

and let me repeat this again.

Half the Hurriyat wants an independant Kashmir.

Neither a part of India nor Pakistan.

GB
 
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:lol: the world can who is a loser i dont need to resort to the personal attacks.

:lol: Just see how the loser run away from replying my posts.... what a looser.... i think the worst...

Point the post where i have abused you unlike you who have no argument to hold on.

This post of you.

Indian army in IoK is terrorist army simple as that.

You are a loser simpler than that.


Indian army has invaded Kashmir and killing innocent Kashmiris and thats why you have seen even Kashmiri women picked up stones against your terrorist army

Go through the history of Kashmir and who invaded whom. Kashmir's king joined India. Women picking up stones is not new. Only you abuses us with 'terrorist', but everyone knows who is terrorist.



sure major part has been sent to a Country Kashmir for killing innocent

IA is in Kashmir just like any other part of India. IA is in more number in Kashmir because it faces militancy threat.


:lol::lol: then why you needed accession at gun point :hang2:

lol you want to do it now? Just like many other princely states JK joined India.

No reply!!!!
Lame try to justify occupation of Kashmir by India and killing of Kashmiris by Indian terrorist army.
lame try to hide from reality!!!

The common Kashmiri give a shyt if you pick up a puppet from Kashmir or not. All they care and voice is their protest for Azadi from Indian occupation.
the common kashmiris give a shyt what you say. they voted them to power and your puppet geelani was also an MLA until he was brain washed like many other kahmiris in last 20 years. Kashmir was peaceful than.

Its like having a Muslim president by India while millions of Muslims are being mascaraed by fanatic hindus.

Million? :lol: Much more Muslims died in Pakistan in the hands of Muslims than India.
yeah yeah Bhooka Nanga Hindustan slogan was raised by aliens not common Kashmiris :angel:
Does anyone need more example!!!! :lol:
 
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:rofl: Gharibnawaz lolzz there are dozen threads on that topic so go there and discuss it. The Indians were begging us to have the aid lolzz
anyway thats an off topic here.

Its not off topic as the same bhooka nanga Hindustan aided Pakistan.

Its the first time I am hearing that people actually beg others to accept their aid.

GB

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Let us keep that aid aspect out of discussion please, what we did was our duty as humans, nothing special.

If we are bhooka nanga and Pakistan is so prosperous, how come they had accepted aid from us?

That was the point.

GB
 
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Its not off topic as the same bhooka nanga Hindustan aided Pakistan.

Its the first time I am hearing that people actually beg others to accept their aid.

GB

---------- Post added at 07:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:39 PM ----------



If we are bhooka nanga and Pakistan is so prosperous, how come they had accepted aid from us?

That was the point.

GB


That is certainly off topic here.


Go and discuss that aid topic in a relevant thread.

Anyway for time being focus on Kashmir slogan


“Bhooka nanga Hindustan; Jaan se pyaara Pakistan.” (Starving and tattered India we reject; Pakistan - land of our dreams - we embrace.). And as Arundhati said Kashmir needs Azadi from booka nanga Hindustan's occupation.
 
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^^ You have added another 'jewel' to your signature?
 
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:cheers: We are ok with it.

Just let the Kashmiris decide what they want.

So how come you claim that the Kashmiri's reject bhooka nanga hindustan and embrace Pakistan?

Coz there is a fraction who wants independent Kashmir.

Coz National conference and many Kashmiri's want to remain with India.

Choose one stnad please. Dont change your colors.

GB
 
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So how come you claim that the Kashmiri's reject bhooka nanga hindustan and embrace Pakistan?

Coz there is a fraction who wants independent Kashmir.

Coz National conference and many Kashmiri's want to remain with India.

Choose one stnad please. Dont change your colors.

GB

Hold free fair plebiscite under International bodies and let the Kashmiris decide including these factions you claim want to join India.

Only then you can claim anything otherwise its just a ghisa pita Indian claim sans proofs.



The bhooka nanga slogan is raised by Kashmiris we dont calim anything yet.
 
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The bhooka nanga slogan is raised by Kashmiris we dont calim anything yet.

and yet you shamelessly accepted the aid from the same bhooka nanga people?

Didn't Pakistan or its people thought about Kashmiri's then?

Or there are separate logic at the time of recieving hard cash?

Only then you can claim anything otherwise its just a ghisa pita Indian claim sans proofs.

The only people who oppose to polls are Separatists and Terrerists. Not us.

Gilani himself used to contest and win elections.

Sajjad Lone himself contested elections last year.

GB
 
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^^U mean hold plebiscite in entire j&k right??
hows that possible now with
1]no kashmiri pandits left in kashmir
2]U Already gifted a part to china
3]In indian side of kashmir specific laws were placed so that no demographic distortion takes place but on ur side ??[can post links to support this claim if u want]
4]Atrocities against sikhs and recent fatwa asking them to leave kashmir
 
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^^U mean hold plebiscite in entire j&k right??
hows that possible now with
1]no kashmiri pandits left in kashmir
2]U Already gifted a part to china
3]In indian side of kashmir specific laws were placed so that no demographic distortion takes place but on ur side ??[can post links to support this claim if u want]

not to forget the atrocities against sikhs and a recent fatwa asking them to leave Kashmir.

GB
 
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