Arooj Rahman (expat origin) arrested for throwing molotov cocktails at police cars.

[waz]

You are right about hazrat umar r.a here in the UK it's been like this since the first pakistani men arrived in the UK according to my late grandfather. If someone did a independent survey of the british pak community they would find a astounding number of single women who simply can't get married because Muslim men prefer to commit zina with white women and later go to pakistan to get a virgin wife.

Most second and third generation muslim women don't wish to marry from abroad hence the large amount of single women. Many of my school friends were taken out of school unable to complete there education and forcefully married off in pakistan they were all under age 16.

It won't surprise you that those marriages ended in divorce and many of the girls are now life long user's of anti depressants due to what they have suffered. Many girls who wish to avoid such a fate end up running away.

I know the question wasn't directed at me but I would like to give you a female perspective if I may. Raising children in the West is not easy especially in a liberal country like the UK where most people are atheist.

Having said that it has a lot to do with parenting, the street I grew up in all 6 families where pakistani, over time every single family had their young girls run away. Why ? Because they treated their sons and daughters differently and their sons where allowed pretty much complete freedom to do what they like. Their daughters complete opposite so they ran away.

It really comes down to good parenting. .

Yes, with non muslims and many simply run away on there own to escape violence, forced marriage etc. You honestly would be shocked at the amount of young girls that run away each year from our community all due to being mistreated by their parents. It's a very big problem which has gone on for decades , and I have never seen it being addressed properly.

Well said sister, well said. As a community we committed terrible zulam on our young women. Denied opportunities in education, work and just confined to a fate of getting married early and having kids, then it's housebound after that. Don't even get me started on marriage! These hypocritical, idiotic parents would bring home Bollywood film after Bollywood film, and what do you expect our girls to think i.e. that one day they would to meet the guy of their dreams, and get hitched and live a happy ever after.

How wrong they were. Once they hit 18/21 it was off to Pakistan to marry an uneducated cousin/acquaintance of the family etc. Many of the men would come over, work minimum wage (no fault of their own) and didn't understand the value of education. The poor girls would be expected to stay at home and raise the kids like a dutiful wife. Marriages would be devoid of love, many times it was a marriage of connivance. Economically the community fell behind, as the only wage earner would work a low paid job, whilst our Indian counterparts, marrying other like minded and educated Indians, both high wage earners, surged ahead.
I worked in security parti-time during my university days at a female shelter and came across cases that were heart breaking, just like you said women single and with children fleeing abuse from families. Fortunately many woke up and began to do things, for example I'm currently actively involved with a excellent shelter for Muslim women, and many of the girls are Pakistani. They have a safe place, we help their children and ensure they can get off their feet.

These girls are the lost generation i.e. the ones who grew up in the 80's and 90's.
However things have greatly changed, young Pakistani women are now being raised by a generation more educated and in tune with the development needs of our women. Forced marriage is rare, girls have good careers, they usually find their own marriage partners and our community has started to lift itself and call out evils we see. There's still a way to go, but then these were deep rooted issues.

You are also right to call out the double standards, whilst our women have always been great, they still faced the greatest scrutiny! Many boys fell into lives of crime (drugs mainly), fornicated and produced kids outside wedlock (usually white girls), and went to prison. But did anyone say our boys had done wrong, or called for change? Nope, they either brushed it under the carpet, heck even greeted such criminal vermin with joy.
Anyway just a few thoughts.

 

[Ladyuk]

Well said sister, well said. As a community we committed terrible zulam on our young women. Denied opportunities in education, work and just confined to a fate of getting married early and having kids, then it's housebound after that. Don't even get me started on marriage! These hypocritical, idiotic parents would bring home Bollywood film after Bollywood film, and what do you expect our girls to think i.e. that one day they would to meet the guy of their dreams, and get hitched and live a happy ever after.

How wrong they were. Once they hit 18/21 it was off to Pakistan to marry an uneducated cousin/acquaintance of the family etc. Many of the men would come over, work minimum wage (no fault of their own) and didn't understand the value of education. The poor girls would be expected to stay at home and raise the kids like a dutiful wife. Marriages would be devoid of love, many times it was a marriage of connivance. Economically the community fell behind, as the only wage earner would work a low paid job, whilst our Indian counterparts, marrying other like minded and educated Indians, both high wage earners, surged ahead.
I worked in security parti-time during my university days at a female shelter and came across cases that were heart breaking, just like you said women single and with children fleeing abuse from families. Fortunately many woke up and began to do things, for example I'm currently actively involved with a excellent shelter for Muslim women, and many of the girls are Pakistani. They have a safe place, we help their children and ensure they can get off their feet.

These girls are the lost generation i.e. the ones who grew up in the 80's and 90's.
However things have greatly changed, young Pakistani women are now being raised by a generation more educated and in tune with the development needs of our women. Forced marriage is rare, girls have good careers, they usually find their own marriage partners and our community has started to lift itself and call out evils we see. There's still a way to go, but then these were deep rooted issues.

You are also right to call out the double standards, whilst our women have always been great, they still faced the greatest scrutiny! Many boys fell into lives of crime (drugs mainly), fornicated and produced kids outside. wedlock (usually white girls) and went to prison. But did anyone say our boys had done wrong, or called for change? Nope, they either brushed it under the carpet, heck even greeted such criminal vermin with joy.
Anyway just a few thoughts.

I want thank you from the bottom of my heart waz, for being a honest person and at least acknowledging our communities short comings. My father and I my self have at community level tried to raise such issues but it seems many in our community rather bury their heads. I agree that the Indian community has done really well and integrated far better due to its treatment of its women.

Thank you for doing the work you are doing in the muslim women's shelter, I too have worked in one in the past and although it's for muslim women most I am sorry to say are pakistani. Although I agree to a extent that our community has been forced to wake up and deal with issues the issue of young girls running away is still prevalent.

Currently the street I'm living on has 5 families 4 are pakistani and all 4 have had their girls run away, all conservative religious families. May God guide our people to the right path.

 

[waz]

I want thank you from the bottom of my heart waz, for being a honest person and at least acknowledging our communities short comings. My father and I my self have at community level tried to raise such issues but it seems many in our community rather bury their heads. I agree that the Indian community has done really well and integrated far better due to its treatment of its women.

Thank you for doing the work you are doing in the muslim women's shelter, I too have worked in one in the past and although it's for muslim women most I am sorry to say are pakistani. Although I agree to a extent that our community has been forced to wake up and deal with issues the issue of young girls running away is still prevalent.

Currently the street I'm living on has 5 families 4 are pakistani and all 4 have had their girls run away, all conservative religious families. May God guide our people to the right path.

No need to thank me, it's a duty that we all need to do. Your father is a fine man and raised a fine lady.
I completely understand your frustrations at trying to change the old ways, but be patient, it is happening. The example of your road is sad, but then I can tell you that I know of 40 Pakistani families near me, all having daughters, and none have run away and are doing very well. Change is happening, and at a fast pace.
If we don't look after/help our own, no one else will.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

It's all enginered by the government. It's either an election stunt. Or a long term goal for the global masonic/Illuminati elite on their roadmap to welcoming the (false)meschiach

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

It's all enginered by the government. It's either an election stunt. Or a long term goal for the global masonic/Illuminati elite on their roadmap to welcoming the (false)meschiach

I am not surprised at all brother. They will again do the bare minimum to get black protesters off the streets and then it won't be long afterwards where we hear another innocent black man murdered.

The establishment will use this to prove that they are on the side of blacks, notice every major corporation is putting out statements in favor of BLM.

They get their man Biden in power, and blame racism on Trump, and continue how things always have been.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I am not surprised at all brother. They will again do the bare minimum to get black protesters off the streets and then it won't be long afterwards where we hear another innocent black man murdered.

The establishment will use this to prove that they are on the side of blacks, notice every major corporation is putting out statements in favor of BLM.

They get their man Biden in power, and blame racism on Trump, and continue how things always have been.

BLM was always establishment movement same goes with LGBTQZ nonsense big corporate and koshers all seem to like identity politics to further divide people

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

BLM was always establishment movement same goes with LGBTQZ nonsense big corporate and koshers all seem to like identity politics to further divide people

Nope. We don't need racist Republicans to teach us about Blacks. Hasta luego.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Nope. We don't need racist Republicans to teach us about Blacks. Hasta luego.

@Desert Fox @Mangus Ortus Novem How am being racist by saying Blacks and Whites are better off separate heck even Malcolm X the dude always love to quote was in favor of that heck he even worked with George Lincoln Rockwell head of the American Nazi Party in the 60s too

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/dpwamv/when-malcolm-x-met-the-nazis-0000620-v22n4
https://nationalpost.com/news/the-weird-time-nazis-made-common-cause-with-black-nationalists

Nope. We don't need racist Republicans to teach us about Blacks. Hasta luego.

nah I am NazBol not Republican or Democrat

 

[313ghazi]

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @waz @PAKISTANFOREVER @pakpride00090
How hard its for you guys raising Muslim Kids? I saw a video of Queer Muslim girl Sufi of Pakistan origin married to Indian Girl Anjali. She told how she was kicked out by her family. It must be really hard out there

Bhai it depends on the individual. I think our community has a 30:40:30 split.

30% are successful, 40% are neither here nor there and 30% are failures.

It's not helped as others have pointed out by a lack of education in the parents. We have outright pendu in some households who have spent entire lives trying to replicate the pind in the UK.

These people fail to engage in wider society, are unaware of the challenges thier kids face, and then when thier children end up non religious, non British non Pakistani they act surprised.

Typical mistakes include;

• Parents who don't know english
• Parents who have 2 tvs. One for them and one for the kids.
• Ppl with computers but not idea how to use it
• Children with mobile phones
• Young boys playing unsupervised in neighbourhoods with known drugs and gang problems
• No attendance at parents evenings at school
• No support with homework
• Swearing at children
• Double standards between boys and girls
• Mothers keeping secrets from fathers
• Beating children for trivial matters
• Parents engaging in haram (fraud) openly
• Lip service to the deen. No salah at home, just jummah Muslims.
• No consistency of standards.

It hurts me to say it of my own people but many are ghatiya log. The UK is not to blame - our own subculture is to blame.

Today I saw a middle aged woman going for a walk in salwar kameez and hijab alongside her teenage daughter in skin tight leggings and a skin tight t-shirt. I thought to myself what values of hidayat are they passing on to her? Yet if that girl tomorrow decides to adopt other British cultural values they will blame her.

I have friends who's father abandoned them as children. Thier grandparents raised them. Thier uncle took them to a strip club as a pre wedding treat. What a father figure!

Those of us who survive this fitna should be greatful and forever indebted to our parents. My mother never learnt English yet she would make us do homework in primary school and check our books. We had no idea she was faking it, but she went through the act to ensure we did extra work. She walked us to the library every weekend to get books and more frequently during the school holidays.

She did the same for our Quran and duas. She would listen to us recite them. She spent her life bugging us to perform salah.

My father would work 16 hours a day at one stage. He would take a break between 4pm when school finished and 8pm, so he could take us to the masjid and spend the evening with us. We'd go to bed, he'd drive his taxi till late at night. He dropped off all of us to school and college and picked us up until we learnt to drive.

Many boys from my extended family are drug dealers - our father never let us go out with them. We went to organised clubs like karate or we were at home. Our neighbourhood was bad - he didn't allow us to play play on the streets.

My parents never watched television. They spent thier evenings talking to us.

These sacrifices led to 6 children who are graduates, professionals, higher income earners, mostly married with kids, who abstained from haram and who are practising Muslims.

In a 100 lifetimes I can't pay them back, only Allah can reward them adequately. Those parents who want success for thier family have to do the same.

Also I missed out the debates/arguments. My father would endlessly debate with us about his perspective, probe us on what we thought, looking back even when we were wrong or even rude he would be patient and not belittle us. Dad had a temper, there was a certain line in terms of decorum you didn't cross, but he was a big free speech advocate. He was testing our sense and maturity.

He also used to make us fill out our own forms. Dad had me help him with his taxes when I was like 11-12 years old. He'd make me calculate his receipts and earnings, checking my maths.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Bhai it depends on the individual. I think our community has a 30:40:30 split.

30% are successful, 40% are neither here nor there and 30% are failures.

It's not helped as others have pointed out by a lack of education in the parents. We have outright pendu in some households who have spent entire lives trying to replicate the pind in the UK.

These people fail to engage in wider society, are unaware of the challenges thier kids face, and then when thier children end up non religious, non British non Pakistani they act surprised.

Typical mistakes include;

• Parents who don't know english
• Parents who have 2 tvs. One for them and one for the kids.
• Ppl with computers but not idea how to use it
• Children with mobile phones
• Young boys playing unsupervised in neighbourhoods with known drugs and gang problems
• No attendance at parents evenings at school
• No support with homework
• Swearing at children
• Double standards between boys and girls
• Mothers keeping secrets from fathers
• Beating children for trivial matters
• Parents engaging in haram (fraud) openly
• Lip service to the deen. No salah at home, just jummah Muslims.
• No consistency of standards.

It hurts me to say it of my own people but many are ghatiya log. The UK is not to blame - our own subculture is to blame.

Today I saw a middle aged woman going for a walk in salwar kameez and hijab alongside her teenage daughter in skin tight leggings and a skin tight t-shirt. I thought to myself what values of hidayat are they passing on to her? Yet if that girl tomorrow decides to adopt other British cultural values they will blame her.

I have friends who's father abandoned them as children. Thier grandparents raised them. Thier uncle took them to a strip club as a pre wedding treat. What a father figure!

Those of us who survive this fitna should be greatful and forever indebted to our parents. My mother never learnt English yet she would make us do homework in primary school and check our books. We had no idea she was faking it, but she went through the act to ensure we did extra work. She walked us to the library every weekend to get books and more frequently during the school holidays.

She did the same for our Quran and duas. She would listen to us recite them. She spent her life bugging us to perform salah.

My father would work 16 hours a day at one stage. He would take a break between 4pm when school finished and 8pm, so he could take us to the masjid and spend the evening with us. We'd go to bed, he'd drive his taxi till late at night. He dropped off all of us to school and college and picked us up until we learnt to drive.

Many boys from my extended family are drug dealers - our father never let us go out with them. We went to organised clubs like karate or we were at home. Our neighbourhood was bad - he didn't allow us to play play on the streets.

My parents never watched television. They spent thier evenings talking to us.

These sacrifices led to 6 children who are graduates, professionals, higher income earners, mostly married with kids, who abstained from haram and who are practising Muslims.

In a 100 lifetimes I can't pay them back, only Allah can reward them adequately. Those parents who want success for thier family have to do the same.

May Allah swt bless your parents. They really worked hard. Your story is amazing, and in line with many first generation Pakistanis. They had to work hard to establish themselves in spite of racism and handicaps in language and literacy. Alhamdulilah for their sacrifices, we are proud Pakistanis and proud Muslims in the heart of Dar ul Kufr, subhan Allah.

Like Allama Iqbal said, "Maghreb ki wadiyon me gunji azaan hamari. Thamta na tha kisi se seel e rawan hamara."

 

[Psychic]

You are speaking for a country which had to let an appendage go due to racism.

Need i remind you of your glorious caste system past?

Sawal gandum jawab chana

This thread is not about racism in Pakistan. Is it?

Need i remind you of your glorious caste system past?

Go and seek psychiatric counseling. You yourself sound like a racist nutcase; your racist tendencies against fellow Pakistanis of other ethnicity are easily observable.

 

[El Sidd]

Sawal gandum jawab chana

This thread is not about racism in Pakistan. Is it?


Go and seek psychiatric counseling. You yourself sound like a racist nutcase; your racist tendencies against fellow Pakistanis of other ethnicity are easily observable.

You may need 4 gawah for this.

 

[KaiserX]

Looks like a typical shia communist to me.

 

[Psychic]

You may need 4 gawah for this.

O maaf kar do chacha jee.....

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Well said sister, well said. As a community we committed terrible zulam on our young women. Denied opportunities in education, work and just confined to a fate of getting married early and having kids, then it's housebound after that. Don't even get me started on marriage! These hypocritical, idiotic parents would bring home Bollywood film after Bollywood film, and what do you expect our girls to think i.e. that one day they would to meet the guy of their dreams, and get hitched and live a happy ever after.

How wrong they were. Once they hit 18/21 it was off to Pakistan to marry an uneducated cousin/acquaintance of the family etc. Many of the men would come over, work minimum wage (no fault of their own) and didn't understand the value of education. The poor girls would be expected to stay at home and raise the kids like a dutiful wife. Marriages would be devoid of love, many times it was a marriage of connivance. Economically the community fell behind, as the only wage earner would work a low paid job, whilst our Indian counterparts, marrying other like minded and educated Indians, both high wage earners, surged ahead.
I worked in security parti-time during my university days at a female shelter and came across cases that were heart breaking, just like you said women single and with children fleeing abuse from families. Fortunately many woke up and began to do things, for example I'm currently actively involved with a excellent shelter for Muslim women, and many of the girls are Pakistani. They have a safe place, we help their children and ensure they can get off their feet.

These girls are the lost generation i.e. the ones who grew up in the 80's and 90's.
However things have greatly changed, young Pakistani women are now being raised by a generation more educated and in tune with the development needs of our women. Forced marriage is rare, girls have good careers, they usually find their own marriage partners and our community has started to lift itself and call out evils we see. There's still a way to go, but then these were deep rooted issues.

You are also right to call out the double standards, whilst our women have always been great, they still faced the greatest scrutiny! Many boys fell into lives of crime (drugs mainly), fornicated and produced kids outside. wedlock (usually white girls) and went to prison. But did anyone say our boys had done wrong, or called for change? Nope, they either brushed it under the carpet, heck even greeted such criminal vermin with joy.
Anyway just a few thoughts.

Are those shelters working under Muslims? They could also be used to malign Islam. Do these educated women follow Religion or they end up being athiest or Marry Non-Muslims ?

...........You just wrote something that I was EXACTLY thinking...................you forgot to mention, she will be at least 37 years of age with a good heart.......



PS Also, "good balance of Islamic and western values".................

Lmfao.
I have come across genuine nice ladies, many choose to even become second wives of other Pakistani men (hell of a topic), but we are talking about the ones who gave their culture the middle finger when they were young, and then hit reality near 40 knowing they are finished.