Army winds up Keran ops leaving gaps between its claims

[Secur]

Do check this @Secur

Thanks for posting it .

As I was telling my Indian friends , when the operation was ongoing a few days ago , that there are so many contradictions and different versions of the same " infiltration " that the claim of the dozens of militant killed and others holed up whilst moving to different places , cant simple be true .

 

[Secur]

Well they have taken the photos of the bodies but didn't recover it.

Interesting , isn't it ?

The Pakistani soldiers are able to cross the Line of Control at will , recover bodies and then return safely back to their territory , I mean how do you expect someone to believe anything like that ?

 

[SamantK]

All I can say to Pakistan is enjoy the days of MMS at the centre, he aint budging come as you may..

And regarding the condescending remarks by Pakistanis, these gaps are nothing compared to the gaps still being filled by your Army..

 

[Areesh]

All I can say to Pakistan is enjoy the days of MMS at the centre, he aint budging come as you may..

And regarding the condescending remarks by Pakistanis, these gaps are nothing compared to the gaps still being filled by your Army..

What we are enjoying is this drama by your army. Poor MMS has nothing to do with it.

Interesting , isn't it ?

The Pakistani soldiers are able to cross the Line of Control at will , recover bodies and then return safely back to their territory , I mean how do you expect someone to believe anything like that ?

Took the pic of the dead body from a very short distance but didn't recover it. And then they believe, people would believe in this cr@p.

 

[MilSpec]

Just wanted to pose a simple question to the esteemed pakistani members here, what happens when a covert infiltration mission is ambushed by the enemy, especially when there is a clear exit route??

do you leave the dead and injured mates for the enemy to display or do you evacuate them back to safety of the launching pad???as stated "much of the abandoned village lies in the other side of the LC"???

Sabotage of Pak - India relations: How does this event affect pak india relation when Pakistan has distinctly washed its hands off all non-state actors, Even if infiltrators mow down Indians by thousands... it will make no difference to Indo-Pak relations as seen in the recent past, Essentially government of Pakistan has been for all practical purposes been exonerated from all terror charges with the non-state actor card....

 

[SQ8]

Just wanted to pose a simple question to the esteemed pakistani members here, what happens when a covert infiltration mission is ambushed by the enemy, especially when there is a clear exit route??

do you leave the dead and injured mates for the enemy to display or do you evacuate them back to safety of the launching pad???as stated "much of the abandoned village lies in the other side of the LC"???

Sabotage of Pak - India relations: How does this event affect pak india relation when Pakistan has distinctly washed its hands off all non-state actors, Even if infiltrators mow down Indians by thousands... it will make no difference to Indo-Pak relations as seen in the recent past, Essentially government of Pakistan has been for all practical purposes been exonerated from all terror charges with the non-state actor card....

1. If non-state actors are ambushed and stopped, actors which are supposedly(lets give the beneift of the doubt that there were PA or ISI handlers present) made up of AJK and North Punjab youngsters who are essentially cannon fodder; evidence recovery will still need assets. After all, dead or injured men will not make it back on their own and with nothing, literally nothing in terms of fire or action from the PA in that sector how did these non-state actors make it back? Perhaps they were not really 30-40 but 15-20 of which 7 were killed.

2. It seems to be only instigated from the Indian side, out here there is literally no mention of it nor is there any interest in it. Rather people are under the impression that the peace process is proceeding slowly but with the usual terror complaints and drawbacks.
The only place where there seems to be a large bruhaha about the incident and played up for TRP and electioneering along with military bravado is India.
for e.g. the IBN, ToI and other Indian news apps carry two to three stories on this in top headlines.
By contrast, there is NOTHING in the Pakistani media about this. Moreover, even in the grapevine when the last LoC beheading fiasco there was a lot of bravado and talk; right now there is plain "Pffft" or "They are making this up".

 

[Hulk]

1. If non-state actors are ambushed and stopped, actors which are supposedly(lets give the beneift of the doubt that there were PA or ISI handlers present) made up of AJK and North Punjab youngsters who are essentially cannon fodder; evidence recovery will still need assets. After all, dead or injured men will not make it back on their own and with nothing, literally nothing in terms of fire or action from the PA in that sector how did these non-state actors make it back? Perhaps they were not really 30-40 but 15-20 of which 7 were killed.

2. It seems to be only instigated from the Indian side, out here there is literally no mention of it nor is there any interest in it. Rather people are under the impression that the peace process is proceeding slowly but with the usual terror complaints and drawbacks.
The only place where there seems to be a large bruhaha about the incident and played up for TRP and electioneering along with military bravado is India.
for e.g. the IBN, ToI and other Indian news apps carry two to three stories on this in top headlines.
By contrast, there is NOTHING in the Pakistani media about this. Moreover, even in the grapevine when the last LoC beheading fiasco there was a lot of bravado and talk; right now there is plain "Pffft" or "They are making this up".

I see your point on point 1, even Praveen Swami has similar take. As per media, attacked party will have more discussion and maybe we have too many channels. I prefer talking on facts, I am not happy with how this wadhandled in media.

 

[SQ8]

I see your point on point 1, even Praveen Swami has similar take. As per media, attacked party will have more discussion and maybe we have too many channels. I prefer talking on facts, I am not happy with how this wadhandled in media.

Correction!

There are NO facts in such scenarios. Its your governments/military/Media 's words against ours. Each side claims evidence and facts, but until or unless something like the UN goes in to investigate.. or some god honest journalist from both sides does so; there will be no facts. Just conjecture and objections.

If there is conjecture to be made at my end. Then I am guessing that there were lesser men(as both monetary and personnel support for the LeT and other outfits has waned) who were trained with the knowledge(but not support) of the Pakistani Agencies(perhaps on the account that till India continues its sponsorship activities in Afg, this must continue here). These men have known entry points(perhaps tunnels like Gaza) and came in. Perhaps PA patrols saw them, or perhaps they are timed so that they did not to ensure plausible deniability.
Their plan was to hole up in the village and establish a transit base for other fighters to cross in and move out to their respective targets/tasks. Somehow, they were spotted and engaged which tripped the Alarms in the IA. From there its total fog of IA reports. Since there is no "proof" to say that the reports were not exaggerated by the IA as per the changing statements. Nor is there any concrete rebuttal to complexity declare them baseless.
In either case, even if the Indian evidence is supposed to be partially true; then these were Kashmiri youths(again, Kashmir is not just the valley and there are many ethnicities that call themselves Kashmiri due to geography) who went to fight and some did not make it back. It can be case of the IA getting better at it or simply less ISI support with some sloppy LeT commander handling it.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Pakistan should take up such false flag incidents seriously on international level, because these are used to form international opinion that Pakistan is involved in terrorist attacks across LOC, which india can capitalize on for its benefit in many ways.

 

[Areesh]

Pakistan should take up such false flag incidents seriously on international level, because these are used to form international opinion that Pakistan is involved in terrorist attacks across LOC, which india can capitalize on for its benefit in many ways.

Well we suck at propaganda and propagating lies. This is the only thing that we need to learn from these guys from the east.