ARMY VETERAN’S ‘SPLIT PAK INTO 4’ TALK SPARKS OUTRAGE

[Alphacharlie]

You should see indians here trying desperately that everything in Pakistani papers are true...I only told you to ask your reporter


And you are still not at peace? I feel sorry for you


We actually shouldnt....they are doing a pretty good job destroying the next generation without our help

Thank you for your Kindess -- I respect you for Being a True National - So am I

Your Nation is Clean as Glass --- Yes Yes Indians are who are at fault...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Somebody should remind this turd that our grandfathers split India in two in 1947 .... So the score is even now.

And we did not need to "ride" the Mukhti's to do it .......

 

[SrNair]

Used his military language for youth? Really is that the crap you are going to go with instead of coming out and saying a wrong a wrong?


Let me get this right he gives priority to his nation and killing and filling hatred is fine meaning he wants a youth for the next generation to suffer from anxiety and depression? Or just hate filled idiots who will kill around for fun?

I am not sure how that is the job of your army to create mentally sick youth?


So he is suffering from PTST? Do you think such a man should go lecture youth?


So its fine to spit hatred? And make fun of the following:


I am not sure which elder of yours who loves you grows you up with hatred...Is it a norm in india?

I guess I SEE the example below:



And this is a brilliant example of what speeches like that army veteran's hate filled BS does to youth


You need qualifications to call hitler like behaviour as retarded?


News is from india in indian paper ask the author

Or do you not read your own paper written by your own people regarding their own reaction?


EQ is the new IQ not hate filled hitler like words


Not really, you dont say shit like that is like admitting you arent at peace and something is eating you and hence you are weak!

FYI
India's youth knows who is right and who is wrong .
They knows how to view different opinions through a rational perspective .
We knows how to differentiate between seed and weed .

Really?? dont go too far
Noone going to suffer due to anxiety and depression because a retired Army General expressed his own views .

In India people have enough exposure of modern education and they wont follow a terrorist like some others do .

Really ??
Then why would your Govt and media gave platform to your Late Lt General Hamid Gul and Gen Musharraf ?
Both of them are publicly said things words worse than this .So ?


And our Constitution gives enough freedom to express their own views and noone can question that people's right.

 

[Dubious]

India's youth knows who is right and who is wrong .

yea hence the article
I didnt read the remaining of the post

 

[scorpionx]

opinion doesnt mean you say such stuff to youth....they are your future do you really want a depressed or overly anxious next generation that literally thinks their past army general were weaklings who were never at peace? or that is what happens when you join the indian army - you become crazy and spit only hatred?

Do you think by the kind of speech general was making his audiences (who are not in fact illiterate or religious lunatics but IITians), at least some considerable part of them if not all will become radicalized and prejudiced against Pakistan or non-violence movements? By this logic entire Pakistan would have been waving guns on their eastern border. The point is, in every civilized democracy people should be entitled to express their opinions unless they instigate physical violence against a certain group of ethnicity, religion or language. It must be further subject to criticism by civilized means by people who do not agree with it. That is how the system of democracy must work and flourish.

 

[SrNair]

yea hence the article
I didnt read the remaining of the post

Of Course hence that article .
An youth opposed his views because he knows how to use his rational mind .

Perhaps you dont have anything to say .Good

 

[The Eagle]

This is the video I think....

Details are in video so listen.

 

[ranjeet]

This is the video I think....

Details are in video so listen.

Nope wrong video.

 

[Dubious]

Do you think by the kind of speech general was making his audiences (who are not in fact illiterate or religious lunatics but IITians), at least some considerable part of them if not all will become radicalized and prejudiced against Pakistan or non-violence movements?

You are sowing the seeds....do you think ONLY illiterates joined Tamil tigers?

By this logic entire Pakistan would have been waving guns on their eastern border.

Why so? It isnt logic that you are trying to swing here...the fact that entire Pakistan isnt shows that it doesnt happen at that level in Pakistan.....instead of admitting that it was inhumane of him....you are trying to compare to Pakistan? The fact that we see indians here rejoicing death, and even enforcing brutality on Kashmiris (you will find 1 or 2 on this thread alone no need to even look far) kind of proves what this kind of thinking is doing!

The point is, in every civilized democracy people should be entitled to express their opinions unless they instigate physical violence against a certain group of ethnicity, religion or language.

Physical violence? Is that your level? Do you not study prevention is better than cure? So you are waiting for the youth to act like rabid people like some previous incidents already (Gujraat) before something is going to be done?

It must be further subject to criticism by civilized means by people who do not agree with it. That is how the system of democracy must work and flourish.

No system of democracy - not sure if applicable to india- but inciting hatred is also a law in democratic countries that is not tolerated!

 

[livingdead]

duplicate thread.. mods plz merge with the other massive thread running since yesterday...

 

[scorpionx]

You are sowing the seeds....do you think ONLY illiterates joined Tamil tigers?

You didn't get my point. I am not saying that educates don't fall into traps of radicalization but there is a difference in brainwashing a group of poor, illiterate who are easily vulnerable to chauvinistic religious radicalization and brainwashing a group of educated whose ethnicity or religious affiliation have been abused politically or economically. The former is provoked artificially and more quickly while in the later case it has a socio-economical justification.[/QUOTE]

No system of democracy - not sure if applicable to india- but inciting hatred is also a law in democratic countries that is not tolerated!

A law must be there and we have it too. But defining its limits varies from society to society. What I said is what should happen in a modern mechanism.

Why so? It isnt logic that you are trying to swing here...the fact that entire Pakistan isnt shows that it doesnt happen at that level in Pakistan.....instead of admitting that it was inhumane of him....you are trying to compare to Pakistan? The fact that we see indians here rejoicing death, and even enforcing brutality on Kashmiris (you will find 1 or 2 on this thread alone no need to even look far) kind of proves what this kind of thinking is doing!

Sorry to say Bakshi's speech is nothing before what Mr.Zaid Hamid or Mr.Hafiz Said, least to say the thousand conspiracy theories blaming India for anything ominous happens in Pakistan. This has not helped Pakistani society either.

Physical violence? Is that your level? Do you not study prevention is better than cure? So you are waiting for the youth to act like rabid people like some previous incidents already (Gujraat) before something is going to be done?

What you are suggesting is to formulate a society where everything must go through a state censorship. Every book, newspaper article, film or lecture must pass the certification from the state before they are made to public. Ok. Nothing wrong in it. But problem with this tendency is, sooner or later the state start exercising these powers to censure anything that it deems harming its own interest. We went through these phases in 1975 when Indira Gandhi declared emergency and the right to free speech was horribly abused for two long years. The state does not remain a guardian of democracy anymore and becomes an autocratic institution controlled by a few. This is why the concept of modern society and its inherent values emerged and Donald Trump can get away with anything he says about whom he does not like.

 

[Dubious]

You didn't get my point. I am not saying that educates don't fall into traps of radicalization but there is a difference in brainwashing a group of poor, illiterate who are easily vulnerable to chauvinistic religious radicalization and brainwashing a group of educated whose ethnicity or religious affiliation have been abused politically or economically. The former is provoked artificially and more quickly while in the later case it has a socio-economical justification.

AND back to my question you really think his speech did more good than harm?

The very fact that you are not denying the harm it did and which is undeniable (coz the article is there to bear witness)

It doesnt matter which kind of people can be brainwashed...the point that people can be and these are YOUTH whom he talked to....

A law must be there and we have it too. But defining its limits varies from society to society. What I said is what should happen in a modern mechanism.

Opinion isnt always good even if it is from someone you worship

Mr.Zaid Hamid or Mr.Hafiz Said

I dont watch either but I am sure neither have even gone and maligned a respected man in our country like Bakshi did for Ghandi!

ridiculed the non-violent movement spearheaded by Mahatma Gandhi during the freedom struggle by describing 'ahimsa' as "nonsense".

brewing enmity, inhumanity and glorification of brutality".

I guess you indians like such speeches and hence you try to find them in Zaid Hamid - I didnt even know him till I came here...

This has not helped Pakistani society either.

We havent ended up shooting Kashmiris coz they want to practice the same level of freedom of opinion/ expression as you boldly give bakshi!

What you are suggesting is to formulate a society where everything must go through a state censorship.

For every action there are consequences!

This is why the concept of modern society and its inherent values emerged and Donald Trump can get away with anything he says about whom he does not like.

But by your logic Trump is using his democratic rights just as Bakshi ...why is 1 wrong and other not?

 

[Spring Onion]

Thank you for your Kindess -- I respect you for Being a True National - So am I

Your Nation is Clean as Glass --- Yes Yes Indians are who are at fault...

So sir how you intend to split Pakistan into four? oh make it five because now GB is also a province of Pakistan.

Am all ear to your plan. please explain

 

[Viny]

Democracy prevails, everyone has right to speak.
When some one can speak about breaking of India into parts at JNU and its considered that students are mantured enough to make right decisions and there should be freedom of speech. Then People should also be ready to digest what person like Baskhi speaks. Coin has two sides and both sides have its acceptance and rejection in market.

A general cannot evoke patriotism in a speech thats for Independence day related by talking of giving flowers to attackers, he will have to talk hard to people to realize that this independence is not free, there are people who have there eyes on it and if we want to enjoy our freedom and independence we will have to cut all those heads.

His speech was not again any religion, cast, color or group. It was against a nations which India belives has been reason for various atrocities and harming Indias unity and thus challenging indians freedom at large.

Finally people like him will only make money if they are in limelight. And they can only be in limelight if they are firely and are able to arouse interests or can cause controversies. So take a chill pill, enjoy the firey speech, go out have a cold drink and then carry on with your life

 

[SrNair]

You are sowing the seeds....do you think ONLY illiterates joined Tamil tigers?


Why so? It isnt logic that you are trying to swing here...the fact that entire Pakistan isnt shows that it doesnt happen at that level in Pakistan.....instead of admitting that it was inhumane of him....you are trying to compare to Pakistan? The fact that we see indians here rejoicing death, and even enforcing brutality on Kashmiris (you will find 1 or 2 on this thread alone no need to even look far) kind of proves what this kind of thinking is doing!

Physical violence? Is that your level? Do you not study prevention is better than cure? So you are waiting for the youth to act like rabid people like some previous incidents already (Gujraat) before something is going to be done?


No system of democracy - not sure if applicable to india- but inciting hatred is also a law in democratic countries that is not tolerated!

In India people will even insults others at any level .People will express their opinion .Till now noone indulged in terrorist activities because of people mere freedom for expression .