Army reaction on decision by Special court about General Pervez Musharraf

[PatriotLover]

Marshal rule is comming!

 

[PakSword]

Your "field marshal" was the dumbest administrative Pakistan could ever get more dumb than the ex chief monster balochistan raisaani.



You think he had the mental capability to conceive all those big shiny projects?
It was the freaking us financial and military assistance which did wonders. Not been Isreal was getting that kinds support from the yankees



All those Dams were built by Imf world bank and other global monetary institutes to keep the indo pak relations cool so we both could be used as cannon fodders against our immediate giant of a neighbor China but God planed something else.



Lil does you Pakistan text book board graduates know that not only he left no stone unturned to antagonize our next door neighbor China by overtly offering nehru for a joint military pact against China but also gave kashmir on a platter to india back in 62 when even chinese were pulling off their hairs over the strategic clues less approach of our guvt.



Morever apart from initiating riots in Karachi by calling in his afghnai gang he straight out labeled the mother of this glorious nation a traitor.



And there more to the freaking sixties nostalgia. People and govt machinery of the then newly founded state were more patriotic than ever before and eager to do something for their new homeland . There were no 6million refuges roaming around the country, revenue from east Pakistan was also being exhausted, no war on terror, no circular debt, no loans and no nothing now just think for a moment what could have been achieved by a guy of musharafs caliber had he inherited all the milk&honey? So all these factors combined made it the good 60's



This is the reason I hate it when ik instead of coming up with his own good governance relies totally on his 60's romance
60 m yeh hota the 60 m vo hota tha

@fitpOsitive @Starlord @PakSword

That.. calling Fatima Jinnah a traitor was the worst part of our history..

 

[Mentee]

That.. calling Fatima Jinnah a traitor was the worst part of our history..

Many people used to cry when the goons of Ayub Khan would rally around the cities and villages Chanting some serious nasty stuff about her. But one 12 bor couldn't deter those having state backing

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Marshal rule is comming!

Martial*

 

[El Sidd]

How .... ?? all those case were settled/ decided by the court as per procedure .... I am not getting this notion that these cases could get reopen again ... plz explain further

Nope I was not referring to Extension case [though some people have reservation]

Bhai Its the job of Parliament to include those who were part of Musharaf act but do you think they will do because one it happen it will open the flood gate and would set an example for the past Marshall Laws as well now plz tell do you seriously think that PPP would allow Bhutto to be declared by Court as Traitor being the Minister of Ayub Khan ....???

PML-N would Allow NS to de declared as Traitor and then get hanged being the Beneficiary of Zia Dictatorship .... ???

Judiciary would allow Judges of Supreme Court of Pakistan in the year of 1999 to be declared as Traitor and then get hanged as they not only legalize the Musharraf Coup but gave him full authority to amend the Constitution as per his wish

Everyone has committed the same Tratious Act but only Musharraf is being targeted is itself an evidence that this action have ulterior motive


it was His Decision but supported by many actors and elements from the system ....

Musharraf was not GOD that upon his saying of word Kun everything happened itself ....

again the same thing. ofcourse he was the initiator but one must have to look into the prosecution and if they only intended to target the initiator or abettors as well

we are completely in agreement that solely targeting Musharraf is not fair and not the solution. but you cannot expect PTI to go against Musharraf just like PMLN and PPP will not go against Ayub and Zia respectively.

and yes those cases can be opened and challenged at the behest of the government. That is the legal prerogative of any elected government.

Judiciary is expected to go through reforms as the consensus has already been reached over that. there is a distinct lack of interest by the government itself until recently.

This article was included by politicians to save themselves not for the betterment of Pakistan or Pakistanis
Corrupt politicians think article 6 is to martial law what nasr missile is to cold start of India
This case is political just like the hangings of pro Pakistan people in Bangladesh by haseena

Appeal the case in private capacity. The government cannot go into the appeal. They are prosecutors in the case.

 

[Mentee]

there is a distinct lack of interest by the government itself until recently.

They will not pass new laws and reforms as ik is more concerned how the bureaucracy would feel about that wth!

But rather use their inaction to put all the blame on judiciary every time they screw up. So we are left with the same status qou a and there's a limit to what higher judiciary can do to revolutionize the rotten legal system as no judge is going to decide by going over board the existing rules of business

 

[HRK]

ofcourse he was the initiator but one must have to look into the prosecution and if they only intended to target the initiator or abettors as well

Initiator and Abettors clause is related to High Treason case NRO case were settled under relevant PPC clauses ....

but you cannot expect PTI to go against Musharraf

It's not about Musharraf or PTI look it this way IF we are sincere than we have to agree on a single rule that must be applicable to all in this case of Musharraf the written RULE, the relevant clause of constitution was not only selectively implemented but violated as the procedure which was adopted by concerns were design specifically for him left every one out from the wrath of that constitutional clause which this clause EXPLICITLY mention

Now the second thing Musharraf impose Emergency under the Constitution which was effective at the date of 3-November-2007, not under the constitution effective on 15-Apr-2010 so the retrospective application of that clause itself is questionable as it is universal rule in law that law are not implemented on the events of past for example

IF today government pass a law which declare consumption wheat unlawful so this law will be effective from the date and time passed by Parliament and me and you would not be charged as Criminals for our previous consumption of wheat

Now the process which was adopted is itself questionable as a someone submitted an application in Ifthikhar Chaudhary court and he ordered the government and parliament to initiate the procedure for High Treason for which under law he was not authorised, Zardari during his tenure somehow dragged the issue after the election NS government initiated procedure that too in such biased manner that

- It ignore 12 Oct, 1999 coup which was the actual crime under the effective constitution of that time
- It ignored the fact at 3 Nov, 2007 Imposing emergency was not unconstitutional
- Biggest of all Applied the new clause on retrospective manner

Now I need not to mention the Personal Relations of NS and Iftikhar Chaudhry with Pervaiz Musharraf, any person can understand why such and so many compromises on law and procedures were made

and yes those cases can be opened and challenged at the behest of the government. That is the legal prerogative of any elected government.

one has to look status of each separately

Judiciary is expected to go through reforms as the consensus has already been reached over that. there is a distinct lack of interest by the government itself until recently.

Current government and whole of the parliament does not have intellectual capacity to even initiate the Judicial Reforms

 

[El Sidd]

Initiator and Abettors clause is related to High Treason case NRO case were settled under relevant PPC clauses ....

It's not about Musharraf or PTI look it this way IF we are sincere than we have to agree on a single rule that must be applicable to all in this case of Musharraf the written RULE, the relevant clause of constitution was not only selectively implemented but violated as the procedure which was adopted by concerns were design specifically for him left every one out from the wrath of that constitutional clause which this clause EXPLICITLY mention

Now the second thing Musharraf impose Emergency under the Constitution which was effective at the date of 3-November-2007, not under the constitution effective on 15-Apr-2010 so the retrospective application of that clause itself is questionable as it is universal rule in law that law are not implemented on the events of past for example

IF today government pass a law which declare consumption wheat unlawful so this law will be effective from the date and time passed by Parliament and me and you would not be charged as Criminals for our previous consumption of wheat

Now the process which was adopted is itself questionable as a someone submitted an application in Ifthikhar Chaudhary court and he ordered the government and parliament to initiate the procedure for High Treason for which under law he was not authorised, Zardari during his tenure somehow dragged the issue after the election NS government initiated procedure that too in such biased manner that

- It ignore 12 Oct, 1999 coup which was the actual crime under the effective constitution of that time
- It ignored the fact at 3 Nov, 2007 Imposing emergency was not unconstitutional
- Biggest of all Applied the new clause on retrospective manner

Now I need not to mention the Personal Relations of NS and Iftikhar Chaudhry with Pervaiz Musharraf, any person can understand why such and so many compromises on law and procedures were made

one has to look status of each separately

Current government and whole of the parliament does not have intellectual capacity to even initiate the Judicial Reforms

So basically you are in the camp which is saying we need a new imrani muhaida?

As far as the technical discussion on the case is concerned, that can only be done in the courts when Musharraf's legal team challenges the verdict.

As to your comments on the government's intellectual capacity, you should realize that the government is actually enjoying this as some sort of a relief to deflect the discussion from economy, foreign affairs and internal power struggle.

 

[HRK]

So basically you are in the camp which is saying we need a new imrani muhaida?

No I am among those who are propagating most unpopular stance that we need to increase our intellectual and governance capacity to implement the Current Constitution in its True Letter and Spirit

With this lot of Judiciary, Bureaucracy and Politician we will ruin new constitutional in fact any constitutional arrangements ....

I sincerely believe that we need continuity so that these teething issue will get sortout with passage of time

 

[El Sidd]

No I am among those who are propagating most unpopular stance that we need to increase our intellectual and governance capacity to implement the Current Constitution in its True Letter and Spirit

With this lot of Judiciary, Bureaucracy and Politician we will ruin new constitution in fact any constitution ....

I sincerely believe that we need continuity so that these teething issue will get sortout with passage of time

Even if you were in the new muhaida camp, Pakistanis cannot outsmart the 1973 constitution. The document is a pinnacle of Muslim thought in the East for a governing constitution of consensus of inclusive living under Islamic guidelines.

Supremacy of law across the board will eventually happen as the stalemate takes its lawful course to conclusion.

If there are technical flaws in the verdict, it can be challenged. It is not the end of the world. But the case in itself is an open shut case in strict legal terms. You cannot deny that

 

[HRK]

If there are technical flaws in the verdict, it can be challenged. It is not the end of the world. But the case in itself is an open shut case in strict legal terms. You cannot deny that

other then this paragraph I wholly agree with you ....

 

[El Sidd]

other then this paragraph I wholly agree with you ....

Elaborate if you may dear pal

 

[HRK]

Elaborate if you may dear pal

this current case is not open and shut case if someone like me can indicate so many flaws in it than experience lawyers in SC can not only fight but possibly win that case in favor of Musharraf ....

The Real Crime which Musharraf did was in 1999 which is provided legal cover by Parliament and Supreme Court now they can not go against these decision ....

 

[El Sidd]

this current case is not open and shut case if someone like me can indicate so many flaws in it than experience lawyers in SC can not only fight but possibly win that case in favor of Musharraf ....

The Real Crime which Musharraf did was in 1999 which is provided legal cover by Parliament and Supreme Court now they can not go against these decision ....

We can only wait and see what happens.

Musharraf had plenty of chances to defend his case before the verdict was announced. He seemed to not bother about this at all. The urgency shown by others for him after the verdict has been issued are just commentary. Everyone knew that the writing was on the wall unless government steps in.

 

[HRK]

Everyone knew that the writing was on the wall unless government steps in.

because the process was design in such a way that everyone was aware about the verdict even before the initiation of judicial process .... just recall the statement of Akram Sheikh who was the prosecutor appointed by NS for this case on record said that he would get the decision in favour in 2-3 hearings .....