Arihant propels India to elite club

[Water Car Engineer]

No its not. The only picture of Arihant was released by khangress during 2009 elections as part of their achievments

It is. It's Arihant in harbor trials.

2009

recent harbor trials

You can figure it has around 4 tubes as well.

 

[Yeti]

Did India built the submarine from the ground up? Was this a project with foreign assistant and foreign made parts?

Russia helped and some of the systems on board are foreign yes

 

[Warhawk]

It is a clear cut edge against pakistan navy and any other navy in Arabian Sea. In response Pakistan is attempting to arm itself with more chinese AIP powered submarines with SLCM capability. Babur armed on future submarines with increased range would definitely be a counter punch.

You are forgetting that India too has Nirbhay missile and the DRDO chief has already made it clear that the Indian Navy would be the first one to induct the Nirbhay LACM. But unlike Pakistan Navy the IN would have a variety of platforms to lauch the missile. So your counter puch is actually of no use.

 

[Oldman1]

Why do we need missiles with longer range????? we have covered all the likely adversaries with current missiles..... But once these nukes subs become operational then we may need missiles with longer range.....

I cannot deny the fact that we have some dependence on US and the previous governments did not like to irritate uncle sam... I have no idea what Modi government plans going to be....

You may need it in case if you were to hypothetically need to nuke Beijing just from the safety from the Indian Ocean instead of having to get too close.

 

[Pandora]

You are forgetting that India too has Nirbhay missile and the DRDO chief has already made it clear that the Indian Navy would be the first one to induct the Nirbhay LACM. But unlike Pakistan Navy the IN would have a variety of platforms to lauch the missile. So your counter puch is actually of no use.

Nirbhay is still not operational not even land based version is finished yet. Babur on the other hand is a mature platform and currently a 1000KM version is under development with sea launch capability. For ALCM pakistan has already got Raad which PAF has made clear that it can hit land and sea based targets.

 

[nair]

You may need it in case if you were to hypothetically need to nuke Beijing just from the safety from the Indian Ocean instead of having to get too close.

Yes that is one scenario which i am sure DRDO must be planning for..... The problem with these missiles are that, no one can exactly say (other than that of the designer and the user) what is the exact range of these missiles.... India is capable of making missiles >8k range..... A5 is suspected to have that range

 

[IND151]

What claim?

Due to the technical difficulty of building an ELF transmitter, the US and Russia are the only nations known to have constructed ELF communication facilities, with India being in the process of constructing one.

The Indian Navy is constructing ELF communication facilities to communicate with its Arihant class and Akula class submarines. This facility is expected to be operational by 2015.

 

[IND151]

Nirbhay is still not operational not even land based version is finished yet. Babur on the other hand is a mature platform and currently a 1000KM version is under development with sea launch capability. For ALCM pakistan has already got Raad which PAF has made clear that it can hit land and sea based targets.

Well, Nirbhay will be in service within years and its range is alredy 1,000 KM.

currently a 1000KM version is under development with sea launch capability

Any official source?

 

[OrionHunter]

Please give source for claim.

The Indian navy's ELF communications station will come up near the Koodankulkam nuclear power plant in Tamil Nadu’s Tirunelveli district.

Construction of this station, coming under the ambit of the DRDO’s ATV Project Office, will be carried out by Larsen & Toubro in a turnkey basis. Expected to be commissioned by 2015, this ELF communications station, complete with nuclear-hardened underground bunkers will bear a close resemblance to the Russian 82Hz ZEVS facility located at the Kola Peninsula northwest of Murmansk.

Needless to say, Russia is closely associated with the R & D for such a facility, with minimal DRDO inputs. When completed, India will be the third country after the US and Russia to host an ELF communications station.

More here....TRISHUL: ELF Comms Facility Coming Up

 

[he-man]

Im watching "crimson tide"

red october is better

 

[surya kiran]

Building a nuclear ballistic missile submarine is no easy feat, and building a reliable SLBM is even harder.

But SLBM's are one of the most essential parts of any country's nuclear arsenal. Secondary strike capability is essential to any kind of nuclear deterrence.

Having built a SSBN, it now opens even more questions.

1. How silent is it? With today's detection capabilities, can it go through a defensive cordon or can it avoid a defensive network searching for it? It also needs to camouflage its heat signatures and reduce its magnetic footprint? Can it do all of this? Else, its a stand off weapons platform for only a second strike.

2. What is the command structure for releases? There is a substantial escalation. For the first time, nuclear weapons will be mated with the missiles and deployed. The key word being 'deployed' operationally. This is a completely new level of readiness.

3. Disaster - In case of a disaster in high seas, what is the rescue protocol in place to recover lost weapons? Do we need external help or can it be executed without external help?

4. Versatility - Can the Arihant be used to launch cruise missiles?

As of date, we just taking baby steps. The technical capabilities and operational processes and doctrines will need to be fine tuned before we have a truly lethal second strike capability, which can take on opponents well away from Indian shores.

 

[Agent_47]

red october is better

But, "crimson tide" suites the situation.

 

[Tshering22]

Why do we need missiles with longer range????? we have covered all the likely adversaries with current missiles..... But once these nukes subs become operational then we may need missiles with longer range.....

I cannot deny the fact that we have some dependence on US and the previous governments did not like to irritate uncle sam... I have no idea what Modi government plans going to be....

No. He is correct. We need to have long range ballistic missiles that can strike 11-15000 kms away. The idea of having SLBMs have such a range is to keep a check on all. There are no permanent enemies or friends. They keep changing.

Which is why a global nuclear strike capability is the best deterrent our country can have.

China and Russia have it. USA had it first. Are they killing each other? But that keeps all of them from invading each other.

Which leaves us vulnerable.

If we have a MT range ballistic missile that can reach all the countries from India, then we have a deterrent.

 

[surya kiran]

No. He is correct. We need to have long range ballistic missiles that can strike 11-15000 kms away. The idea of having SLBMs have such a range is to keep a check on all. There are no permanent enemies or friends. They keep changing.

Which is why a global nuclear strike capability is the best deterrent our country can have.

China and Russia have it. USA had it first. Are they killing each other? But that keeps all of them from invading each other.

Which leaves us vulnerable.

If we have a MT range ballistic missile that can reach all the countries from India, then we have a deterrent.

Not just ballistic missiles, but also cruise missiles.

 

[Warhawk]

I don't understand why Indian members here want an SSBN to be armed with an cruise missile. I don't see any advantage as such. Or if we can put 4/2 Nirbhay missiles in place of a single K-4/15 then I see some operational advantage.

But then the Nirbhay carrying nuclear warhead is still uncertain since it has an imported turbofan and MCTR won't allow it to carry nukes. Or is GOI planning something else...