Argentina : First export customer for JF-17?

[Myth_buster_1]

How does it benefit Pakistan? Its China that is exporting.

 

[maxpayne]

How does it benefit Pakistan? Its China that is exporting.

Pakistan has 50% stakes in the project. So it will get half benefits. Heard it is more than 50% for now

 

[sergiobrevet]

soy de Argentina en mi país algunos medios replican una nota de janes en el interés del gobierno argentino en jf17 y J10, la declaración oficial de la derecha a través del ministro de defensa en la próxima semana habrá gentre de enfadar a China para revisar fc-1 y J10, últimamente en diarios opositores al gobierno se han notificado a Pakistán presionar a China a no vendernos la j1, leyendo estos foros no he leído nada de eso, así que pido qeu es verdadera o sé si el gobierno de Trabaria pakistan comprar j10 y fc1?

 

[krash]

soy de Argentina en mi país algunos medios replican una nota de janes en el interés del gobierno argentino en jf17 y J10, la declaración oficial de la derecha a través del ministro de defensa en la próxima semana habrá gentre de enfadar a China para revisar fc-1 y J10, últimamente en diarios opositores al gobierno se han notificado a Pakistán presionar a China a no vendernos la j1, leyendo estos foros no he leído nada de eso, así que pido qeu es verdadera o sé si el gobierno de Trabaria pakistan comprar j10 y fc1?

From Google translate:

I am from Argentina in my country some media replicate a note of janes in the interest of the Argentine government in jf17 and J10 , the official statement right through the minister of defense in the next week there will be gentre to anger China to review FC- 1 and J10 , while on anti-government newspapers have been reported to Pakistan to press China not to sell the j1 , reading these forums I have not read any of that, so I ask qeu is true or know if the government Trabaria pakistan buy j10 and fc1 ?

 

[Jungibaaz]

From Google translate:

He's asking if the purchase of either J-10 or JF-17 would impede Pakistan's own purchases. And claims that reading in a local newspaper, that Pakistan for this reason was trying to talk China out of it. According to another translator.

 

[OTTOMAN]

He's asking if the purchase of either J-10 or JF-17 would impede Pakistan's own purchases. And claims that reading in a local newspaper, that Pakistan for this reason was trying to talk China out of it. According to another translator.

That's totally wrong translation.

 

[Jungibaaz]

That's totally wrong translation.

Correct me then. None of us have any idea what he's trying to say.
You speak Spanish?

 

[sergiobrevet]

hola traductores engañan, la pregunta era simple, si el gobierno de Pakistán se opuso a Argentina comprar j10.
hello translators cheat, the question was simple, if the Pakistani government was opposed to Argentina buy j10.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Pakistan has 50% stakes in the project. So it will get half benefits. Heard it is more than 50% for now

The only benefet we want is replacement of our obsolete fighters. First Pakistan must replace its old 1950-1960s junks then talk about exports. J-7 are from 1950s technology while Mirages are from 1960s.

 

[maxpayne]

The only benefet we want is replacement of our obsolete fighters. First Pakistan must replace its old 1950-1960s junks then talk about exports. J-7 are from 1950s technology while Mirages are from 1960s.

The only benefit we need is $$ to make more planes for us!

 

[HRK]

hola traductores engañan, la pregunta era simple, si el gobierno de Pakistán se opuso a Argentina comprar j10.
hello translators cheat, the question was simple, if the Pakistani government was opposed to Argentina buy j10.

Google Translation

hello translators cheat, the question was simple, if the government of Pakistan opposed Argentina buy j10.

No how & why Pakistan would oppose the J-10 sale to Argentina, J-10 is the Chinese programme & Pakistan have no stake in it.

Google Translation
No se cómo y por qué Pakistán se opondría a la J-10 venta a Argentina, J-10 es el chino programa y Pakistán no tenemos ningún interés en ella.

 

[sergiobrevet]

thank you very much

 

[sergiobrevet]

Rush negotiation Chinese fighter aircraft
By: Edgardo Aguilera



The government decided to speed up the negotiations for the acquisition of an aircraft to replace the Mirage of Argentina Air Force.

The lifetime of these devices expires later this year, after several extensions which signed the former head of the weapon, Brigadier General Norman Costantino. A delegation of high-level political and military went to Beijing for the purpose of evaluating the product offered by companies China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) and Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC). It multirole fighter plane called FC-1 / JF-17 Thunder, a device that China developed jointly with Pakistan intended to equip the Pakistani air force.

The delegation is headed by the President of Argentina Aircraft Factory (Fade), Matthew Savoca, Vice President Franco Giuggioloni, CEO Tulio Calderón, the head of the Air Force, Brigadier General Mario Callejo, the head of Doctrine, Brigadier José Videla and other military hierarchy, also a test pilot and aeronautical engineer of force. The presence of the dome of state aircraft factory is a sign of the Government to the Chinese authorities about the interest in co-produce the aircraft in the Cordoba plant and incidentally show that the agenda of the strategic partnership agreement with China is running . With the same orientation next week travels CEO material Argentina Navy, Vice Admiral Eduardo Urrutia, to advance Chinese seafarers in the joint development and construction of a polar ship and maritime patrol boats. The project now lacks funding and is not defined if the ships will be in domestic shipyards, Asian or tasks are divided equally.

Savoca and his companions remain five days during which will see a device in flight and analyze preliminary data, know that the FC-1 is only produced in the car version. Primary instruction of a pilot before boarding the aircraft simulator is an option that is not usual in the training of national aviators. The next step will be sending a group of pilots belonging to the squadrons of Mirage and Pampa to fly the plane -prior simulador- empowerment in Pakistan, the only country that acquired the FC-1 Chinese origin and keeps operating.

The marketing of Chinese temptation is technology transfer, co-production and financing for a squad (between 12 and 14 aircraft) and the possibility of enlarging the combo to 24 aircraft. The offer provided by CATIC sounds good in a context of weak pockets and difficulty of access to international credit default situation of the country derived from conflict with the vulture funds. The export cost of each new aircraft would be around $ 25 million, the sum does not include weapons or other optional sensitive devices that would increase the initial value. Savoca takes another line of business that opened FAdeA with German coaches aircraft acquired the German group Grob Aircraft; a "pay per hour" pay per hour aircraft for the Air Force Argentina. The option leaves Chinese companies selling the FC-1 with overall responsibility for maintenance, logistical support and ensuring daily operation of aircraft. In the military aircraft market difficulties arising from its Chinese supplier integration in the continent little known.

The participation of the firm CATIC overshadows the success of the operation. Another product presented to FAdeA by the Chinese company in times of former President Raul Argañaraz, which was to be co-produced, the helicopter Z-11, a copy of the French model of Eurocopter, was not an assembled version Cordoba plant name Pampero. It has not been certified by the supervisory authority: the National Administration of Civil Aviation (ANAC) and apparently according to the letter of that body could not be incorporated under the classification of "experimental".

Advancing Business with China could affect the "strategic partnership in aviation industry" who signed the Argentina and Brazil last year. One of the Government's aspirations from the signing of this agreement is to participate in the Gripen project that Brazil is carrying out in partnership with Sweden. The Gripen is a next-generation fighter bomber Brazil develops for its air force and the regional market and collide with the intention of China to penetrate the niche through the sale of the FC-1 to Argentina.

 

[pisciano]

I have decided to write from Argentina because I see only receive news and skewed reports from the English perspective
Argentina seeks to replace the aging fleet of Mirage aircraft was not renewed since the Malvinas War.
He has no plan of war against England. From 1982 until today no war no book does not intend to do so, however, during that same period, England fought wars in Kosovo, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria causing thousands of innocent civilians dead. It is clear what the warrior country and who is peaceful.
Management never any purchase of 12 Su-24, that is false, a farce of the pseudo journalist Marco Gianarelli, which lies just published for England.

Argentina just looking to replace old Mirage of the Falklands War and for that contact with Israel by IAI Kfir Block 60, with Spain by Mirage F-1M and China FC-1 aircraft. Last week arrived in China a delegation headed by the Chief of the Air Force Argentina (FAA) to start the negotiations, which will require some time. In April, another delegation from the FAA will be watching Pakistan JF-17 operations. If the game meets the operating requirements of the FAA, will be joining consideration to replace the Mirage. The visit to Pakistan has much important given the experience of the transition from Mirage to JF-17 by the PAF

I also wanted to refute the alleged blocking of England the aircraft Gripen that will manufacture Brazil. No such blockade because simply the Gripen Brazil offers to Argentina components that you will not get home, that was the condition for Argentina sign the letter intent to purchase 24 Gripen. These parts will be manufactured in Brazil and Argentina. The agreement was ratified by the Ministry of Defence last week and denying media reports that appear in the British media and other repeaters that news.

My sources are official and can visit them on our website.

aviacion argentina

From Buenos Aires, I sent a warm greeting

Julio Gutierrez

 

[Oracle]

I have decided to write from Argentina because I see only receive news and skewed reports from the English perspective
Argentina seeks to replace the aging fleet of Mirage aircraft was not renewed since the Malvinas War.
He has no plan of war against England. From 1982 until today no war no book does not intend to do so, however, during that same period, England fought wars in Kosovo, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria causing thousands of innocent civilians dead. It is clear what the warrior country and who is peaceful.
Management never any purchase of 12 Su-24, that is false, a farce of the pseudo journalist Marco Gianarelli, which lies just published for England.

Argentina just looking to replace old Mirage of the Falklands War and for that contact with Israel by IAI Kfir Block 60, with Spain by Mirage F-1M and China FC-1 aircraft. Last week arrived in China a delegation headed by the Chief of the Air Force Argentina (FAA) to start the negotiations, which will require some time. In April, another delegation from the FAA will be watching Pakistan JF-17 operations. If the game meets the operating requirements of the FAA, will be joining consideration to replace the Mirage. The visit to Pakistan has much important given the experience of the transition from Mirage to JF-17 by the PAF

I also wanted to refute the alleged blocking of England the aircraft Gripen that will manufacture Brazil. No such blockade because simply the Gripen Brazil offers to Argentina components that you will not get home, that was the condition for Argentina sign the letter intent to purchase 24 Gripen. These parts will be manufactured in Brazil and Argentina. The agreement was ratified by the Ministry of Defence last week and denying media reports that appear in the British media and other repeaters that news.

My sources are official and can visit them on our website.

aviacion argentina

From Buenos Aires, I sent a warm greeting

Julio Gutierrez