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Interview: Media hype and the reality of “new” India
Interview: Media hype and the reality of ?new? India | Bharat Chronicle

Poverty in at least eight States — Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, West Bengal, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand — was worse than in some of the poorest countries of sub-Saharan Africa.

In a week when Delhi’s new “world-class” airport opened for business and the Indian Space Research Organisation celebrated the successful launch of five new satellites, we had a stark reminder of another India that, increasingly, many Indians feel embarrassed to talk about. A United Nations-backed study by Oxford University revealed that poverty in at least eight Indian States — Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, West Bengal, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand — was worse than in some of the poorest countries of sub-Saharan Africa.

The findings are based on a global poverty index, the Multidimensional Poverty Index or MPI, developed by Oxford University. It takes into account a range of social factors not hitherto considered while measuring poverty and will replace the Human Poverty Index (HPI) which, until now, has formed the basis for the annual U.N. Human Development Reports.

How’s the new index significantly different from the traditional ways of measuring poverty and how will it make a difference on the ground? Here, Dr. Sabina Alkire, Director of the Oxford Poverty and Human Development Initiative (OPHI), who has travelled extensively in India, speaks to Hasan Suroor:

Were you surprised by the finding that there are more poor people in eight Indian States than in the 26 poorest African states combined?

No, I wasn’t really surprised, as the scale of Indian poverty is well known within the academic world —whether measured in income terms or multi-dimensionally. But the recent focus on India’s phenomenal growth in the media has given the impression that the largest numbers of very poor people are in Sub-Saharan Africa rather than South Asia (where there are nearly twice as many MPI poor than in Africa). We wanted to test that impression.

To get this comparison, what we did was to set a more extreme poverty cut-off, which identified the Indian States and the African countries whose Multidimensional Poverty Index (MPI) was equal or greater than 0.32 (the MPIs we calculated for 104 countries range from 0 to .64). Eight Indian States and 26 African countries fall below that cutoff. That’s where this figure comes from.

To give an idea of what this means, the least poor entry is West Bengal (MPI = 0.32), in which 58 per cent of people are MPI poor, and they are on average deprived in 54 per cent of the dimensions or weighted indicators; in Niger 93 per cent of people are MPI poor.

Actually, the intensity of poverty in Africa is still higher — the population-weighted MPI for the 26 African countries is 0.43, whereas for the Indian States it is 0.39.

How is the new Multidimensional Poverty Index or MPI significantly different from the Human Poverty Index (HPI) that the U.N. uses for its Human Development Report? Doesn’t that also take social indicators as the basis for measuring poverty?

The indices share the same motivation, but are totally different. The MPI starts with each person, and looks at their lives and that of their household members, and identifies a person as poor only if they have multiple deprivations. The MPI reflects the intensity of deprivation each person experiences as well as the percentage of people who are poor.

The HPI aggregates percentages of people who are deprived in different things. So it cannot see if all of the HPI indicators affect the same person simultaneously, or if each person only has one deprivation.

This is understandable, because in 1997 when the HPI was developed we did not have the data that is required to construct the MPI. Only recently has it become possible to focus first on each person’s life, and build a multidimensional poverty measure from that.

Critics might say that studies such as yours simply end up producing sensational headlines without anything actually changing on the ground? Is there any evidence, for instance, that the Human Poverty Index has helped fight poverty better than the previous measures of poverty?

Our aim is to strengthen the work of many others who are working passionately to stand alongside and empower those who live with suffering and poverty to shape their own destinies. We welcome specific suggestions from others about how better to do this, but it seems that sharing a measure which can show the simultaneous deprivations people face should be a useful tool to others.

Doesn’t, ultimately, the good old definition of poverty based on household income and purchasing still remain valid?

Yes. Our measure complements the income and consumption data, and focuses only on very acute indications of poverty. These data come from different surveys, in most cases. It is a matter of enriching the information field. If both measures coincide perfectly, of course, there would be no need for both poverty measures. However from preliminary analysis it seems that they differ quite a bit, even at the level of individual. We need to understand how and why. If a household has a disabled person it may not be income poor but clearly experiences multiple deprivations for example. Or a family may have enough money to be nourished, but actually the children are malnourished. Also, the MPI checks access to certain services directly, whereas income data includes these in a different way. Finally, data in both cases are imperfect, so comparing two different measures can give us a clearer picture.

In the course of your study, did you come across any other surprising trends about India?

We did note that the MPI for different caste groups varies a great deal. The Scheduled Tribes have the highest MPI (0.482), almost the same as Mozambique, and a headcount (the percentage of people who are MPI poor) of 81 per cent. The Scheduled Castes have a headcount of 66 per cent (the percentage of people who are MPI poor) and their MPI is a bit better than Nigeria. Fifty-eight per cent of other Backward Castes are MPI poor. About one in three of the remaining Indian households are multi-dimensionally poor, and their MPI is just below that of Honduras. While this is not a surprise, it is yet another clear indication of the need for interventions that address these social aspects of poverty in India, alongside the direct deprivations.

So you like the New India or the old India ?
 
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I dont know why pakistanis continously brag about our poverty,this thing has been discussed 1000 times here,and we as indians are one segregating us as old and new is nothing but outrageous .iam off this thread
 
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Don't worries brother, we handle it with our ability in 20 or may be 50 at-least in 100+ years...

Take care of your burden on your back first...
 
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Whatever is in India, world most poorest or HIV or toilets etc, but atleast they are moving in forward direction, they got leaders & polititions with brain. As for Pakistan we are increasing our problems day by day, we are sleeping & the theaf leaders are looting our country wealth, our development new project everything is zero. So for India they are going in right direction but for Pakistan we need the Pakistan of 2002-07, or 60's 70's & 80's(when we were much much better than India).
 
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I dont know why pakistanis continously brag about our poverty,this thing has been discussed 1000 times here,and we as indians are one segregating us as old and new is nothing but outrageous .iam off this thread

Pakistani don't brag about India's poverty. The article was written by an Indian Journalist. Don't shoot the messenger.
 
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@hafizz
oh yes pakistani's dont brag about toilets and poverty
type 'toilets + defence.pk' and you would get few hundred threads and thousands of articles on it in this forum.
i try my maximum to keep out of threads of people like you but couldnt resist this time.
had to ask a question
why do you care so much about indian toilets only??
 
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Real situation is this.

Indian elites and its privileged class get inflated with the back patting slogans like "shining india","super power " etc from the western leaders but when the reality strikes as in case of 26/11 or in afghanistan and ignoring by obama, then the real hard landing takes place and when that hard landing hurts u get to see articles like these in indian media.
 
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CWG: Clash of Reality of Old India vs fantasy of New India
CWG: Clash of Reality of Old India vs fantasy of New India Rupee News

Old India vs new India
Vir Sanghvi

Old India has failed New India, again


COUNTER POINT - Old India has failed New India, again

Old vs New India? Nah. Just who hustled better
Old vs New India? Nah. Just who hustled better : Kaveree Bamzai - India Today Blogs

unfortunately for u......we are still growing at 9+ %.....

i am just laughing at the instance after 10-15 years what will u be doing ? but 1 things for sure....u will have to work triple hard to find some or the other negative bout india.:rofl:

in india we call this LOSER'S attitude....... khud ki haisiyat nahin...chale dusron ko aaina dikhane ! :D
 
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unfortunately for u......we are still growing at 9+ %.....

i am just laughing at the instance after 10-15 years what will u be doing ? but 1 things for sure....u will have to work triple hard to find some or the other negative bout india.:rofl:

in india we call this LOSER'S attitude....... khud ki haisiyat nahin...chale dusron ko aaina dikhane ! :D

Journalism is big business in India....so as long as there are Journalists then there will be News on India in every field....:victory:
 
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Whatever is in India, world most poorest or HIV or toilets etc, but atleast they are moving in forward direction, they got leaders & polititions with brain. As for Pakistan we are increasing our problems day by day, we are sleeping & the theaf leaders are looting our country wealth, our development new project everything is zero. So for India they are going in right direction but for Pakistan we need the Pakistan of 2002-07, or 60's 70's & 80's(when we were much much better than India).

well to call urself better u have to prove one...but thats not da matter of concern..... its just pakistanis are great in showing us our negetives and being happy.......where actually u guyz are in deep shite!
 
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